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they do work if you're seasonally depressed

with big sad they don't

>>21593

They work only if your depression is severe enough, not just if you're very sad. At least that's what I read. In terms of psychiatry you should always worry about what "working" actually means though.

Don't do it ! They make you fat and slow and it is a way the Jew controls their victims!

they arent working but ive been on 4 different ones so far and the ones i am on now feel like they do very little or nothing at all. but i have no harmful side effects with these like the first 3 had so that is a plus

I don't notice a difference when I'm on them or off, most of what I feel off them is usually physical pain or headaches

>>21602

They don't have this effect on me jews aside. I have actually more focus and can multitask better.

I never took them but I know people who did and it seems it works sometimes. It depends on doctor though, he should know if it would have effect on you and get you proper treatment but doctors nowadays are all pharmathots, they prescribe you anything even if it harms you just because they get a cut by suggardaddies in pharmaceutical corps. Also I don't know how these pills for anxieties and depression work in situation when you can't be unfucked because you have "wrong mindset". I can imagine they will bother you with cognitive-behavioral therapy while you are doped on antidepressants. But on the other hands, zoomers eat them like sweets so who the hell knows.

>>21593

They do, if you can find the one(s) that works for you. Imagine you're falling down a dark hole. Antidepressants stop you from falling so you can begin climbing back out.

To give you an answer OP.

I never used them but my sister did at some point.

what she told me once was basically

>yeah and those meds

>they don't solve your problems

>but they do kind of way shut down your brain

>like you stop thinking like usual and you don't give a shit anymore

so I guess, they help getting your mind off the bad thoughts to help you work on your problems

>>21655

>doctors nowadays are all pharmathots, they prescribe you anything even if it harms you just because they get a cut by suggardaddies in pharmaceutical corps

They don't, at least not the vast majority of them. Doctors see dumb and miserable people every day that can't be helped (seeing mental "health" as health which requires treatment being the mistake at the core) on an assembly line base, that creates cynicism and disinterest. They can however not admit that those people can't be helped, at least not in an institutional manner, the welfare state does not allow such acknowledgement, so they cynically hand out pills that do something, because something must be done, because we demand that something must be done.

>>21750

What do you mean they are not? Everybody gets antibiotics for everything even cold because pharmaceutical companies pay them to prescribe their pills, everybody knows that. It's pretty much same in mental health stuff. Don't expect some deep examination, your doctor has too much patients, he wants to get you back on track asap and he gets the fucking cut. I don't know how in west but in east this is common practice, illegal but still common.

>>21751

Mental health prescriptions are awful. They prescribe anit-depressants that don't work and toxic anti-psychotics easily, but are reluctant about steroids and buprenorphine.

>>21751

My parents are doctors and they've never gotten a dime for any medication they proscribed. And how could they? By calling the pharmaceutical company to tell them they just proscribed their pills to a patient? To then have their cut send to them through western union?

A bribery enterprise of such scale would require an enormous administration, money laundering operation, and none of the hundreds of thousands of people participating and approached by said enterprise blowing its cover. I don't see all those people as having an omerta more strictly observed than that of the mafia.

The collusion/conflict of interest lies with researchers, whose professional relationships are often intertwined with pharmaceutical corporations.

SSRIs? It really depends. You'd probably have to try several (3-10, usually, from what I've seen) And it's never a magic bullet fixall anyway.

Mostly they're just a tool to force something akin to happiness, kind of like delusion or imagination.

It doesn't really stop you from feeling depression inherently. But if you have a limited attention span at all, then you can only really focus on that pseudo-happiness whenever it's around, leaving the depression fairly ignored in the background.

Even then it's not a complete cure, or even a complete treatment.

You do have to use that temporary pseudo-happiness to try and create some meaning for yourself to follow, or you'll fall back into the pit where you wallow.

And you'll probably get a lot of side effects along the way. Headaches, brain buzzing, disorientation, spacing out, 'feeling like a zombie', maybe even some form of mania. Either on dose or on rebound.

Serotonin controls a fuckton of shit, including bloodflow in the brain. SSRIs and other more selective serotoninergic drugs are sometimes used for migraines because of that. Messing with that balance can both fix and break things. And different drugs have slightly different profiles.

Some of my friends on them still use them with some success. Including my mother.

A lot of my friends that were on them just got tired of them and formally weaned off then quit. Some of which found some strange lucky success with psychedelics, some which got on something else like kratom. Most of which have been fairly happy (Within reason) for years, and a few for over a decade.

Just 2 of them simply tolerating sobriety and trying to find hope in philosophy or distraction.

Regardless of what path you take, it's a LOT of effort finding what works for what tradeoff you're fine with.

>>21795

Your parents might be doctors but all of you are not good criminals. What do you even mean money laundering operation? Do you even know how real world works? I worked in company that cheated tax office in a way that with 1 truck and 1 forklift they managed to admit buying hundreds of liters of gas, just to raise the annual expenses and a) hide other sources of income b) get some tax returns if possible. It was most obvious case, because if anyone would bother to look into it, he would see forklift can never possibly burn so much fuel even if you would drive it 24/7 alongside with the shitty truck they had. But, tax office worker was friend of the boss wife, so all went great.

Now you have something like lobbyists for pharmaceutical companies but they are not really lobbyists, they are more like advertisers but they shill also with insurance companies (that's why some pills are under insurance and some are not and you have to pay for them yourself) and ministry of health. They have to present their product in some ways and they found out that in countries where you have to bring your own toilet paper to hospital otherwise you will go sleep with your ass covered in shit, there is a room for, let's call it, donations *wink* *wink*. And doctors/hospitals know these people, they are friends because if they are not old neighbors in such a small countries then they are at least meeting each other in this workspace often.

This lobbyist or advertiser or whatever you want to call him/her, comes to doctor or somebody in public hospital who can manage to push some products in and they have a coffee and they talk about life n kids n shit. And then he makes offer: Look I have this product here, I'm sure you are familiar with it, it's this type and that type blah blah, we can give you something as usual if you push it forward, whether it will be straight up cash or we can maybe invest something in your space because your waiting room looks like pile of shit. They make the mutual deal and then doctor prescribes patients these pills in some bigger percentage of cases to not make it too obvious. Both parties are happy. Don't be so naive that doctor will even admit to tax office ever receiving this cash, when anyone asks, you say "oh shit mang, but this is really good product which helps a lot of patients with their problems, that's why I presribed it". You don't even have to in most cases because everyone knows everyone in such cities and in general - countries with 2mil - 5mil people so you know at least someone from inspection of tax office. There is nothing easier than getting something like this done because of personal ties. You don't know this in west (I assume you are from western countries) maybe, I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if it would happen there as well and you just not being aware of it because you have stronger competition of pharmaceutical companies. I have this information from first hand, from doctors themselves happily talking about it when the doors are closed. When it comes to ministry of health and their inspection, they don't give a fuck because any investment to this sector is welcomed so they "close their eyes" and pretend nothing happened, just so they can hide the fact that health sector is in poor state.

>>21750

My thoughts exactly! I read everywhere that "mental health is just like physical health" yet nobody thinks we should have laws to involontarily commit the physically ill, nobody uses physical illness as an argument in a debate.

Yes shills and underfunding are issues (hospital beds should be comfortable if people are going to be tied to it 24/7) but they're not fundamental ones. The psychiatric system would still suck regardless.

>>21593

Drugs work.

I take an atypical anti-psychotic. It helps me focus and stops my obsessive/compulsive behavior. I feel bored now. My days are longer.

I still struggle with anxiety, but hopefully starting with anti-depressants will cut off the edge.

Besides that, sometimes, my life feels worth living. Every other week, I manage to read a book, or watch a movie. I listen to music almost every day. I want to start drawing, or start learning a new instrument.

Trust your doctor Anon. Don't listen to people online. It is not dangerous to try drugs your doctor prescribe, just for a few weeks/months, and then you can make up your own opinion.

I wasted so many years of my life failing to self improve. My problem was not lack of willpower or motivation. My problem was mental illness.

I was given a prescription for an SSRI (Lexapro) for anxiety, but the side effects are pretty scary. I read it can give you the urge to self harm or commit suicide. So I decided not to take them for now and maybe start therapy.

I wrote this a while back for someone else who asked me the same question. Idk where I'd even publish an article like this so have a read instead.

>The Elephant in the Waiting Room (1/2)

>When Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (or SSRIs as they're more commonly known) were first introduced in the '90s, the world of modern medicine was extremely enthusiastic about its prescription of this new "wonder" drug. At the time, doctors were touting an "80-90% effectiveness in treating depression and related conditions such as anxiety and OCD" with their patients. Because of that, SSRIs were seen as a cure-all for notoriously stubborn disorders, and their wide-spread use became an undeniable fact.

>Within the last few years, however, those claimed success rates have been falling fast and their public perception has wained as time and again SSRIs have shown little effect on the patients who use them.

>How could a class of drugs that was once hailed as the panacea for all those with the blues fall from grace so quickly? Well, it turns out that SSRIs were never really the "wonder" that many claimed them to be.

>An article from researchers at King’s College in London points out that the initial success numbers had been inflated by drug companies, who had suppressed any studies which voice real concerns regarding the results of these new drugs.[1]

>A modern indicator that these numbers were artificially inflated comes from a study published by the Journal of the American Medical Association says that SSRI's like Paxil and Prozac are no more effective in treating depression than a placebo pill. That means they're effective in 33 percent of patients; the same percentage of patients who will respond equally well to a sugar pill. The article goes on to say that although SSRI's are effective to some degree in treating severe depression, they don't have any effect on the routine type of depressions they are most often used to treat.[2]

>But what about the cases where the doctor seems sure about their prescription? Well, another article published by MedPage Today[3] cites a joint study done at Columbia University and Johns Hopkins Medical Center. The study says that doctors routinely prescribe SSRI's in quick succession, with a scant few serious studies to back up this kind of usage. It's pretty obvious that the reason for these multiple prescriptions is that if one drug doesn't work, then perhaps the next one will. However, issues arise when a doctor does this without regarding the overlap in metabolizing these drugs. Doctors are, in essence, performing uncontrolled experiments on their patients while hoping that their scattershot attempts might hit on a solution. There is a real risk of posed by these drugs in the form of their side-effects, which range from increased diarrhea and brittle bones (a 170% increase in bone fractures as found in one study) to blood clots (especially in those who live sedentary lifestyles, as those with depression may often do), a deeper loss of motivation, and the possibility of increased suicide rates. These side effects are dangerous enough on their own, without combining two different SSRIs. And while the public has been led to believe that such side effects occur in a minimal amount of patients who are treated with SSRIs, disclosed side effects are as common as 30-50℅+.[4][5][6] What this shows us is that the physicians who employ these methods are shooting in the dark, with all the dangers that attend such bad marksmanship.

>There is also a misconception among the public, doctors and patients alike, that depression is caused by too little serotonin and that there are drugs which can help to regain a balance in this important neurotransmitter. In fact, people who are prescribed psychotropic drug are not tested for levels of serotonin, dopamine, and other neurotransmitters as a great many of these tests cannot be conducted on living patients. Recent information shows that there may be some benefits gained by using SSRIs if a patient suffers from a severe shortage of serotonin, but the average person's depression cannot simply be related to a chemical imbalance alone.[7] The human brain and the modern human lifestyle are far too complicated to have a quick, simple explanation related to serotonin alone. We have not come up with what a normal level of serotonin should be and below which we can say that you would be depressed and above which we can say you will be happy. People with high serotonin levels can be depressed and those with low levels can be happy. Serotonin inducing drugs like ecstasy can make you feel very happy, but so can alcohol and heroin. We have to go back to the drawing boards on this one and discourage claims of "chemical imbalances" without addressing the fact that neurotransmitter imbalances cannot be proven in-vivo, more specifically in-vivo with regards to human patients, with our current techniques.[8]

>>21852

>(2/2)

>To compound all of the trouble with the way doctors handle prescribing SSRIs and the misconception surround these drugs, there's also the fact that only a mere 12-15% are even prescribed by psychiatrists. General Practitioners, who typically focus on non-life-threatening diseases, preventative care, health education, and immunization, account for 70% of the prescriptions we see in the US alone. A general practitioner would certainly not be able to tell you the difference between the drugs within the SSRI class, Benzene class, Anti-psychotic class, etc. It seems prudent that patients are seen by a psychiatrist who isn't thinking in terms of 10mg or 20mg more or less, but <1mg if not ~.25mg margins. But even if GPs stopped prescribing these potent drugs, and our psychiatrists became more conservative with their recommendations for prescriptions of these drugs, the issue of why a patient should be prescribed an SSRI still remains. What was once called shyness, sadness, restlessness, poor money management skills, high sex drive, low sex drive, and so on have increasingly been seen as diseases to be treated with the ever-expanding pharmacopeia that we have, for better or worse, at our disposal?

>If all of this is true, then why are doctors still prescribing SSRIs to people who shouldn't be taking them? Well, for a harried medical establishment it's a lot easier, and a lot cheaper, to quickly prescribe a pill than it is to explore all the possible reasons for a person's distress. But if one of the key class of drugs that for 20 years has been considered effective now fails, what does that say for this idea that if a disease responds to a particular drug then it is a particular disease? And so, an important question remains. That question is "should we be prescribing pills for mild depression and anxiety that could easily be the symptom of a greater disorder, or should we address the root causes of these disorders before prescribing medications?" With that question in mind, we need to take a step back and re-approach the whole biological basis for these disorders in a holistic manner.

>So you might be asking what all of this ultimately means. Simply put, it means that while SSRIs might have some potential as an aid to assist those with severe depression in regaining a healthy life, we shouldn't prescribe SSRIs to those with normal, mild, or routine depression. Not only is an SSRI prescription a waste of money for those patients, but there's no proof that SSRIs will help them with their depression. Given the potential side effects, it could even make it worse.

>Sources:

>[1]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3736946/

>[2]https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/185157

>[3]https://www.medpagetoday.com/Psychiatry/GeneralPsychiatry/17785

>[4]Abajo FJ & Garcia-Rodrigues LA (2008). Risk of Upper Gastrointestinal Tract Bleeding Associated with Selection Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors and Venlafaxine Therapy. Archives of General Psychiatry, 65(7): 795-803.

>[5]Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality; Comparative Effectiveness of Second-Generation Antidepressants in the Pharmacologic Treatment of Adult Depression: Executive Summary; 2007 Retrieved from www.ahrq.orgon August 25, 2010.

>[6]Wu Q, Bencaz AF, Hentz JG, Crowell MD. Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor treatment and risk of fractures: a meta-analysis of cohort and case-control studies. Journal of Bone and Mineral Research, 27:1186-1195.

>[7]https://psychcentral.com/blog/low-serotonin-levels-dont-cause-depression/

>[8]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19800472

>>21854

>the chad surgeon

>the virgin internist

>>21593

If you're depressed they will kinda work. You will be happier with yourself and what you have, have some motivation. But it will dumb you down a little, it's hard to describe tbh. It's like you wake up from a dream and realize few things. For example some awkward shit/decisions you did on antidepressants but you didn't really thought much about it. In summary you don't really give a shit about anything your life included.

For mild anxiety idk

For severe anxiety it won't help you much.

It varies from person to person, but in most studies anti-depressants did no better than placebo. Anecdotally, they didn't work for me and I tried 4 different ones.

I've noticed temporary improvement but the general reality and bleakness of my life usually beats me back down again.

>>22020

Same. But antidepressants alone aren't the cure.

>>21593

>Do antidepressants really work?

No

Avoid lithium at all costs, it will fry your brain.

They are about the same as lobotomy. Part of your brain that does reasoning shuts off, and eventually dies.

That's why you see people walking into traffic without even a look.

Brain dead.

>>21593

Ok OP, listen.

They do work.

I had some serious mental issues and was put on SSRI's when I was 19.

However the bad sides are severe.

First and fore-most when I was on them I came gelatin like clumps, the longer it was after last fap the bigger. Only did month after ending them did things fall back to normal.

Also the withdrawal after ending consumption (By psychiatrists plan) I sometimes was fainty, and occasionaly had nightmares. One such thing had my heart beating rapidly for about half an hour after waking up.

If you have mental difficulties, first and foremost self medicate with Valerian root

That is what I did after playing along and convincing my psychiatrist to drop the SSRI. It worked wonders for me, besides when you are well you can also not use it unlike the pharma bullsit.

>>21659

>Imagine you're falling down a dark hole. Antidepressants stop you from falling so you can begin climbing back out.

In other words, they don't actually fix anything, but put you in a better position to fix yourself.

The right drug for the right person can be life altering. I've known more than one person who was non functional without drugs and then when the right drug (often not the first one tried) was used they became functional people again. It was like night and day. That said, not every drug works for everyone, some have HUGE side effect risks, and some people are just resistant to all drug therapy. Unfortunately with drugs for many mental illnesses finding the right one is often as much art as science so it can be a rough trip.

They can work, but there are many types and it can often be an agonizing and frightening experience trying several until you get a good result. SSRI/SNRIs can have some annoying/undesirable side effects like increasing anxiety or massive waves of nausea as you adapt to them and you may need to take one for weeks before knowing if it’ll work.

Also Zoloft made it so hard for me to reach orgasm that I got an inflamed elbow trying to jerk off. But when I finally did it was worth all the pain and effort.

>>22237

Op doesn’t need to ride into battle against the white devil. He just needs to face the day without shitheads like you bringing him down.

You think getting hopped up on peyote and talking to spirits is more righteous than adjusting your brain chemistry with a synthetic reuptake inhibitor so you can stop feeling miserable? Everything in the universe was put here for us to use and enrich our lives with. Including chemistry.

>>21593

Not a single one ever worked for me. I tried many of them and they all made me even more depressed and made me feel very strange and sick. Every single last one of them made me feel worse in every way they claimed to make people feel better and gave me all the side effects with none of the benefits. I heard somewhere they're all just sugar pills with high doses of fluoride added like prozac or something.

>>22250

Tried multiple different kinds over many years I meant.

>>21659

Holy shit, this is the exact same line a pill pushing doctor fed me several years back when I said I wanted to quit the pills. Shill spotted.

>>21692

That's absolute bullshit and you know it. Doctors never seem to put anyone on the pills and then just let them get off. Every time I ever talked to someone on the pills or even in my own personal experiences, the doctor wants to get you on them for a short while "until you feel better" but then when you feel better they try to freak you out and tell you you have to keep taking them and to stop they have to ween you off by lowering your dose slowly over several months so "something terrible doesn't happen". What they mean by this is "I'm never letting you get off the pills". One day I flushed my whole bottle and quit cold turkey and nothing bad happened to me. I already had some headaches but besides that I actually felt less depressed when I stopped them, even right away.

>>21750

Look at this PAID SHILL deflecting the subject and trying to downplay what's really going on.

>no no no it's not that it's okay trust me

go to hell

>>21790

How about 10-20 of them and aboslutely none of them work?

And THEN then want you to stay on them forever even though they don't help.

I find that the more you want "off" the pills, the more aggressive and paranoid the doctor becomes about forcing you to stay on them. I will never agree to pills ever again because then the doctor feels like they own you.

>>21795

Hey shill, That's actually how it works in america but it's 100% legal. Welcome to the nightmare.

>>22257

And when I say 100% legal, I mean that they find ways of doing it in a way that's structured so that they don't get in trouble. For example, you can't even sue the pharmaceutical companies if a vaccine hurts or kills you or a loved one.

>>22250

You raise a good point. We have only so many antidepressants to choose from. There’s no promise that one of them will solve anyone’s problem.

They definitely are real drugs tho, and not placebos.

Also sometimes it’s a mix of drugs and behavioral therapy that does the trick and I know from my experience that the routine of trying one drug or mixture of therapies after another without success can be very demotivating. The important thing is to realize that altho you may not have had any success, there still could be a solution for you out there.

We all have shit we gotta get thru. Some of us just have a harder way to go.

>>21796

Problems with this

>Focusing on false happiness makes you even more depressed in the long run because you become sick with the dishonesty and artificiality of it all

>Using fake happiness as an opportunity to create true meaning to give you the strength to crawl out of a pit of depression is like taking illegal steroids to get big muscles and a ton of health problems and side effects. Why?

If you need to be drugged to find some kind of meaning, That's evidence that you couldn't find any meaning in the first place. (Which is why you are depressed) You're not broken. You're being honest with yourself about the fact that the world around you is broken. Bad environment-Bad feelings. Naturally….! If you are depressed, you are having a healthy reaction to an unhealthy world. It's not your fault. The world is just a bad place full of bad people. You probably feel bad, because you are a good person in a bad place. You are a good seed that can't grow into a good tree because you are in bad soil.

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>>22253

as if metaphorical, emotive bullshit wasn't an instant tell. sorta sounds like they are looking to empower you, but it's jew speak for "it's your fault if it doesn't work"

>>22260

Pro-tip: If you go to a "doctor" and they want you to take a series of pills to "see which one works for you", that's a fucking experiment, not a diagnosis. Fact is psychiatrists have no empirical diagnostic method. Their field is entirely self referencing and always has been. They are not real doctors and should not be allowed to prescribe. They are nothing more than pushers. Every single one of them. If you really want to get a doctors help, go with talk therapy from psychologists. At least some of them will try to understand you, but most of them too are just women in it for the money.

>>22261

>you are having a healthy reaction to an unhealthy world

this. depression and sadness is a perfectly normal reaction to the empty lives most people live these days, as cogs with a singular use in the machine. Again it's just (((shifting the blame onto the victim))). Want a grand narrative which you can tailor the pursuit of, to give you meaning in your life? Try to get out of the machine whilst contributing as little to it as possible.

What's the difference between a person on antidepressants and a meth addict?

The meth addict admits the world around them is bad

Tell me something- If taking drugs and antidepressants doesn't actually make the world around you become a better place, Is it actually making your own self a worse place so that you don't notice the difference anymore?

People don't take drugs or drink to make their problems go away, People take drugs or drink so that they can forget and lie to themselves about the problems they can't fix.

>>22264

From what I understand the trouble with antidepressants is this: It changes somehow the chemistry in your brain so if you have smaller problems, they will become fixable. In other words, if you have problems getting up from bed because of depression, then this can be fixed. Do you wanted to write that company for a job but you never had willpower to do so? Ok, now you don't see a reason why you should delay it anymore. However, the thing is if you are well aware of world being fucked up and you are aware of the big obstacles in your life then antidepressants won't solve shit unless you also undergo therapy, which should present to you new possibilities and change your thought processes a bit in certain scenarios. Take this as opinion of someone without required knowledge and one who never used antidepressants but my source are various psychologists and consultation of this issue with them.

A lot people actually seek for help because they become tired of the obstacles of depression, anxieties or panic disorders, whatever. Then you will hear them say stuff like the obstacles such illness can put in front of you are so much bigger than regular burdens of life, in other words, it's worth dealing with life rather than dealing with illness. If it requires lies to yourself or bit of positive brainwashing, I don't know.

>>22264

>People take drugs or drink so that they can forget and lie to themselves about the problems they can't fix.

People take drugs or drink to have fun at parties. A completely different use case than anti-depressants and the like.

>>21819

Totally real post by a real person that actually exists

(((Trust your Doctor)))

>>21851

I went to many therapists in my life. I'm just saying but try and find a real one. Those real ones are rare as hell. And no, I'm not talking about the really expensive ones since those can go eat their own shorts.

>>21986

Tried many in my life and not a single one worked. I think everyone else is lying for money or because they hope it's working for them.

>>22228

That's such a great one liner I've totally never heard before doc.

>>22265

If I need to take a drug or pay some jackass $100 an hour to get myself to do something I wouldn't normally do, It's probbaly something I wasn't doing for a very good reason.

>>21854

>The consistent physicalist and determinist I am wonders what exactly differentiates the two.

That is a good point. I agree with you that there is no scientific grounding to treat all psychiatric disorders as discrete phenomena as compared to what is "normal". In fact, the symptoms of a disorder is never enough to be diagnosed. In addition to the symptoms, the patient must also have reduced functioning.

I have bipolar disorder plus another thing. The difference from just having a lack of willpower is that I have mood swings. It happens seemingly random. Sometimes, in periods, I have lots of energy and really get things done. Other times I feel drained. My first thought is never that I am depressed, but that I have low blood sugar. So I try eating something, then I try drinking a cup of coffee, go outside, do all the things normal people do, but nothing helps. Only after a few days I realize that I am entering depression.

>>22267

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ALL SHILLS

ALL SHILLS

And here, have this. All good stuff in one post.

Problems with taking pharmaceutical drugs, illegal drugs, or drinking to "feel better"

>Focusing on false happiness gained by becoming intoxicated makes you even more depressed in the long run because you become sick with the dishonesty and artificiality of it all

>Using fake happiness as an opportunity to create true meaning to give you the strength to crawl out of a pit of depression is like taking illegal steroids to get big muscles.

If you need to be drugged to find some kind of meaning, That's evidence that you couldn't find any meaning in the first place. (Which is why you are depressed) You're not broken. You're being honest with yourself about the fact that the world around you is broken. Bad environment-Bad feelings. Naturally! If you are depressed, you are having a healthy reaction to an unhealthy world. It's not your fault. The world is just a bad place full of bad people. You probably feel bad, because you are a good person in a bad place. You are better than everyone else because you actually realized what was going on. You observed the world around you and came to the conclusion that it's a bad place faster than everyone else. You are a good seed that can't grow into a good tree because you are in bad soil. Pushing pills on depressed people is like throwing the night watchman in jail for spotting a burglar or yelling at the canary in the coal mine for getting poisoned by the gas. It's literal victim blaming. People are being treated as the main criminals in the cause of their own depression and thrown under the bus and ignored. Nobody seems to take all of these sad people as a warning flag for the state wellbeing of not just their country, but of the whole world. If all these people are so sad and miserable, there must be a very big reason. The world we live in is sick, and depressed people (among the many other people with other problems) are just a symptom. So yet again, the pharmaceutical companies are perpetually treating the symptom of the disease for endless profit, and nobody cares to find the root causes of the problems we all face. Nobody wants to make a cure.

What's the difference between a person on antidepressants and a meth addict?

The meth addict admits the world around them is bad

Tell me something- If taking drugs and antidepressants doesn't actually make the world around you become a better place, Is it actually making your own self a worse place so that you don't notice the difference anymore?

People don't take drugs or drink to make their problems go away, People take drugs or drink so that they can forget and lie to themselves about the problems they can't fix.

If most of these drugs have side effects including increased risk of suicidal thoughts, It's no wonder at all! Being dishonest with yourself makes you feel sick to your stomach.

It is Bad to feel Good about being in a Bad place.

The truth is that just like eating unhealthy junk makes the body fat or sick, experiencing a junky and unhealthy experience around us makes our soul feel sick.

You are not broken, WE are not broken, but rather the world around us is broken.

"It is no measure of good health to conform to an ill society."

>Life sucks

>Because the world sucks

>Have healthy reaction to unhealthy world by obviously feeling bad

>HERE DUMBASS TAKE A PILL!

>What does it do?

>It fucks with your brain chemistry to trick you into feeling like everything is really alright when it obviously isn't!

>Really!?

>No! there's more!

>Next you will slowly realise how dishonest with yourself the pill is forcing you to be by making you pretend to feel happy when really deep inside you feel REALLY bad because now you aren't even expressing yourself and are bottling up your depression inside!

>by the way, these pills increase the risk of suicidal thoughts!

If I need to take a drug or pay some the-rapist $100 an hour to help me cloud my judgement enough to get myself to do something I wouldn't normally do, It's probbaly something I wasn't doing for a very good reason.

>>22274

>SHILLS

Why?

>>22274

hey dude, take a Xan and chill. Chemicals are good for you, a lot better than any sky being or political spook that has gotten you all worked up.

>>22272

I guess so. However there is line between not having energy to do some things and literally not being able to do them. I had case of very hard depression in my family so I know how much it can fuck up human. If you don't have control over it, you are ill. It's that simple. I hope you faggots are not talking itt about seasonal depression or feeling randomly down.

>>22279

You are supposed to say flat out that "psychologists and psychiatrists are all scammers because they want h'white man cvcked by (((meds))) *pulls out pee pee*"

>>22280

>Just try a little! hehe ;^)

Go to hell.

>>22281

Nice twisted logic trap you have there. Since the problem is not the individual, but actually the world around the, technically if they don't have control "of the world" (((Who does??))) then they should just take pills… right…

>>22287

I would, but you are already there. I don't want you killing my vibe.

>>22281

>I hope you faggots are not talking itt about seasonal depression or feeling randomly down.

After being severely depressed myself I also made that distinction, but by that standard I was never depressed again, and that was a mistake.

>>22288

Right. Mental disorder exists in symbiosis with the external world. Obviously. That is not a reason not to take pills. It is a reason to change the world perhaps, but that is not the polar opposite of taking medication.

>>22288

>logic trap

Ok, I'm going to make twitter account and this will be my handle, thank you.

Anyway, that's not at all what I'm saying. I also don't take psych meds and I'm not supporting it in such large degree either, UNLESS the case is serious and there is possibility of turning one's life for better IF AND ONLY IF subject desires to undergo the treatment him/herself. I think that's very valid standpoint and muh jooz control the world won't change it. You are building typical /pol/'s strawmen around here. I NEVER said you SHOULD take meds in any case, I NEVER said it's always the best option, yet you treat me as if I would just tell everyone around that "hey, bruh life gets suddenly better if you take meds, just take meds". You can't even read what I wrote, I was in my posts very critical towards issue of antidepressants.

>>21593

Dont do it.

Your brain chemistry will get fucked up entirely. most anti-depressants work by damaging the brain which forces the brain to start growing. Want to stop being sad/apathetic all the time? Find a purpose in life, set goals, and don't bitch out.

Want to regrow and fix your brain's neurochemical imbalance? Run. seriously, jog 2-3 miles each day. Aerobic exercise causes the brain to secrete BDNF which causes the hippocamus and hypothalamus to grow more neurons. Theres centers work together to limit stress hormones and increase neurotransmitter production.

I mean really, humans are the literally best species on the planet for exercise longevity based upon muscle fiber types, lung/blood O2 capacity, and heat dumping. We literally ran gazelles to exhaustion to hunt them.

If you haven't tried jogging 2-3 miles each day for 3 weeks before deciding to take a pill which will damage your brain's neurotransmitter production even further, well then you should just kill yourself because you're fucking stupid.

>>21593

Avoid SSRIs like the fucking plague. They've got horrific sexual side effects. Look around and you'll find plenty of people who experience them. It seems to be 50/50 whether you get any, and then another 50/50 if they go away a year after tapering off or if they stay forever. I was on them for five months and after a three month taper I still had ED and a general inability to finish. The taper ended four years ago. If you are going to off yourself and therapy etc. hasn't worked then take SSRIs before you get electroshock, but they should be your last resort. Start eating well, go for a jog every day, and keep your blinds open during the day.

>>22297

This as well TBH. Your neurons talk to each other in part through chemical signals. One of the chemicals associated with depression is serotonin. The nerve outputs serotonin, and then the neighboring nerve absorbs the serotonin. If the neighboring nerve is slow to absorb the serotonin, it doesn't get enough before the sending nerve slurps up any remaining serotonin. The SSRIs work by blocking the reuptake of serotonin, which causes the neighbor nerve to get all of it since the sending nerve can't reabsorb it. The issue is that over time, your nerves start producing less and less serotonin, just like if you stop exercising your bones get weaker and your muscles decay. It takes years for your serotonin production levels to recover from a dip caused by SSRIs and the side effects are countless and horrific. You're fucking with the brain, here, hundreds of chemical metabolic pathways and countless neurons. That brain is you, and you want to make the most gentle changes possible.

Seconding the jogging. Seriously, human brains are designed to release serotonin as a result of physical exertion. Instead of pumping your body with the chemical Jew, try the method natives used up in the northern areas of the world where depression was common due to getting little sunlight: go for a walk. If you're a fat fuck that can't jog a single mile, then walk. If you're so morbidly obese you can't walk a mile, maybe that's the problem and you should focus on fixing that first before you try to chemically castrate your neurons. The body is an incredibly self-regulating machine and if one part gets out of balance the whole thing can end up falling apart. You've only got one body. Take care of it. If you really can't walk, then go to your local pool and figure out when the pool is open for senior water exercise. It helps keep weight off your joints because you'll float and you can slowly lose BMI points until you can walk without pain or discomfort again. Learn from my mistake. Whatever you do, don't take SSRIs or electroshock. They'll fuck you up real good,

>>22303

So that's probably why I had the thing with semen reoccur when I tried nofap two years ago.

Once in 2016 other time 2017. (Your brain regulates your hormones)

I knew it before though, just nice to see someone get deeper into this.

Stopped taking meds in 2015, normal faps got fine after a month as I mentioned in >>22227

Well I can tell you fellow anons something more. I'll try to keep this brief.

>call out shills

>immediately panic damage control and turn into doctors

I take Tianeptine, which is not available in the US as a prescription, but is prescribed in some European nations as Coaxil or Stablon(brand names for the same substance). It is amazingly effective. It takes about 20 minutes to start working, instead of the month that SSRIs usually take, and the result is ten times better than I've had with any SSRI I've tried. It's like clamness in solid form.

>>22011

adrafanil just keeps you awake, it doesn't affect depression, or at least not much.

>>22306

Are you ok my friend?

No, antidepressants don't work. Unless you have a very very severe case of depression, don't take them. Take ayahuasca instead, or maybe mushrooms. I was depressed for years, and ayahuasca really helped me.

>>22304

A precautionary tale about (((help)))

>Be me 2013

>Had a bad childhood, somehow I sorted thing out and started jogging, like seriously jogging, had tried sports before, I was a fat slob because of my issues.

>However I was religious, new age/chistcuckdom, ones mind gets weaker under depression, so I was delusional, not a little a lot, it didn't show much though.

>Summer 2013 form 90 to 75kg in 5 months, somewhere 175ish pounds for those over the pond.

>However shtf and I fell insane

>Sought help first a therapist and then a psychiatrist

>Get put on Solian

>Helps barely, delusions are very strong, together with intrusive thoughts (suppression of shit at thought level does this to you)

>Just before autumn things get really out of hand, I am basically becoming bedridden

>Go to therapist, too bad the guy is a new age schmuck

>=="Here's the key, there is a chest, put unwanted in the chest, lock it, then give key to me the chest is unbreakable"==

>The red text will become important few lines down

>So come autumn, I get tried different meds by my psychiatrist, the main one is Solian

>I get fatter fast, really fast

>By early 2014 I say "fuck it" (75 to 93 kg in 7 months scares a fellow) and stop drinking the meds. It was only Solian, started jogging again

>I found solution to my intrusive thoughts less than two months later, I took the atheism pill (I'm a pagan now)

>Summer 2014 looking good but

>As I was reuniting with myself internally I stumble upon that locked chest, I wanted all the darkness all the rage, too bad it's unbreakable (I did manage to reunite with myself properly about two years later, "it's my mind, my rules of properties of virtual things"), not pleasant to come upon such a loss on you'r highschool graduation day at all days, I cried a lot the coming weeks. Suicide was considered almost immediately.

>And I made a horrible mistake just a month after that.

>After an evening of drinking a night of chilling near PC, I go jogging at a hot day, not a little, a lot.

>Didn't have a hangover, however I almost ended up dying

>Body reacts bad, tension equals panic attacks

>Get told to visit psychiatrist again by doctors

>Do, get on meds again

>Somewhere along I have my heart checked by utrasonography, it's normal.

>>22313

>Only patialy back together I have to struggle, uni that I didn't want, just got told into by boomer parents, couldn't get into a sports college

>Solian right away other drugs too, clonazepam, lorafen, some other thing I could not use for long because being near fainting sometimes

>Was 85 when heat-exhaustion happened, drop to low eighties, start larding up again

>In 2015 a twist happens clonazepam dropped, lorafen too, on goes SSRI called Paroxetine together with Solian

>90 kg's

>Dealing with stress becomes easier, however a month in, my cum it's coming out harder

>It's riddled with gelatin like clumps

>Early to mid summer ask a different antidepressant, I reach a whopping 102 kg

>I also start getting to know my doctor, turns out he gives me Solian because "I talk in circles"

>Now I am fully aware that my way of talking is pretty normal, I am just trying to let the doctor know everything

>So I start telling only brief things, start painting up a more "straight forward" way of speech, he digs it

>Get proscribed another SSRI called citalopram, Solian gets reduced

>For a month cum with little to no issues

>Late summer shit starts again

>Now antidepressants have a tendency of making you high occasionally, one such high had a "hangover"

>I could barely move, call doctor right away, tells me to take half dose

>In mean time I grow increasingly disdained with Solian, I research it, I really start disliking it, my days need excitement, they lack it

>Early Autumn, Solian half a pill, citolapram half pill 3 weeks to go until ceasing consumption

>Solian I dropped right away, I was supposed to keep using it until next visit "fuck it it block worries but also excitement, I don't need that shit"

>So 3 weeks on the SSRI only, feels good maybe even too good

>3 weeks pass, I get off

>Day 4 since last, working at farm, feel faint

>It's bad for a month

>Fingers sometimes feel like fire, nightmares time to time, I still cum gel pellets along with my cum

>After a month problems subside

>Have heart droplets and Valerian root tincture lying around for panic attacks

>Start occasionally using Valerian root when feel inclined

>It helps, no side-effects, however only consume it on need

>Still struggling with aftermath of the therapy, other mental issues I had have faded at that point

>Winter early 2016, resolve combats with the lockout, however things ain't easy

>At one point I am planning my suicide

>Luckily I get beguiled, by elder sister nagging me

>It was about something else related, but still she didn't know

>It helped, I felt guilty and pressed on my mental efforts

>By spring 2016 I found the resolve and by spring 2017 I fully recovered, my resolve was stable

>Unfortunately personal life didn't go great

>Let's just say many boomers aren't fair people, and I felt ashamed about my family and myself

>But mental health wise, I'm normal, getting over the shame, too frustrated at this point to let anything hold me down, boy do scars hurt

>Obeying people I don't like is next to impossible

Gonna elaborate on med shenanigans a bit further, If I'm not too sleepy.

NO. Toxic bullshit, don't take SSRIs unless you want to fuck your brain up badly.

>>22314

Brief guide to medications

Solian (A dopamine blocker) - Bad things feel less bad, good things feel less good

Clonazepam (a benzodiapene thingy) - Effective at calming one down fast, however first time I drank it was on a panic attack, I drank a pill instead of a fourth,

you walk like a drunk and feel groovy, ain't as stupid as on alcohol, pretty dope that time

At normal doses makes you calm

Lorafen (anxyliotic) - Can't really say much, was on a small dose

Olanzepam - The faint pill was on it few weeks as a possible Solian replacement, fuck that thing and a side effect is diabetes, ==NOPE==

Paroxetine - Very good at calming you down, occasionally you get high

Citolapram - Also good calmer, though not much was happening wih me whilst consuming it, however less often highs, though one I got was me fucking laying about for two hours whith chickens beside me, then having a hangover thingy

Valerian root - Excellent in calming you down, does not need to be consumed regularly, tried almost two weeks regular use, though at the end I felt dull so I stopped consuming it for a while. Best used on occasion and applied for about a week if you go through intense shit. Good if you have a panic attack.

I have been a few months without anything now, don't feel like using the root anymore.

>>22317

How do you know so much shit about meds? I didn't read your blogpost but I assume the answer is there.

>>22317

>Valerian root

Yes this stuff is good, also if you have sleeping problems. I had something like pills made purely out of valerian root, good shit, however I couldn't wake up in morning early enough, I was quite fucked up from it. I ate it like nothing though, every night some small dose. People say body can build resistance to it fast but it wasn't my case. Also yes, it helps with anxiety and panic attacks and stuff like that. The reason why I got it recommended was because I had pretty fucking hard panic attack, I thought I will suffocate and shit. This helped me to get back on track a bit.

Anti depressants really do work, but it depends on what your doctor prescribes you hence you need to be honest with them. I have personally tried many types of anti depressants and the one rule I can give anyone is that if they don't work, get a higher dosage. It will work.

So antidepressants have general functions and more specific functions.

Generally they lower your amount of worrying especially at night which makes it ideal for people who are sleepless at night.

they lower your libido and sense of touch and for men this can be used for people who ejaculate too much.

they also usually numb your emotions but it depends.

in certain dosages it makes you sleepy

And in the first few weeks it generally makes you suicidal but this depends on the med.

They usually lower fear and angst/anxiety as well.

Now SSRI are the most common prescribed and maintain Seratonin in your brain from being decomposed too rapidly.

generally all antidepressants do this, but SSRIs are limited to Seratonin only.

Seratonin makes you feel more relaxed and happy, but antidepressants do not create it themselves, they simply maintain it. So that if you had pleasant experiences, someone with a depression might not recall having much enjoyment without it, but with it working they will recall enjoyment. Hence that if you are simply sad it won't rally work because you are sad and have not been happy.

Fluoxitine/Prozac is the most common one and I would recommend it for males mostly because it generally helps stabilize your emotions and makes you more calculating and helps you think straight. It also helps a lot with anger which is common for men with depressions.

Citalopram I have the least good opinions about. It helps with anxiety and makes you more active, but doesnt help with emotional regulation and generally doesn't have such a huge impact on neurons as others.

Others are more like Prozac but have other ups and downs etc.

They reduced most of my many symptons. But the shitty memories never go away.

People get misdiagnosed all of the time and unless you have good money and time on your hands its probably going to be difficult to find a decent therapist. Poor pharmaceutical combinations can fuck your mental health up more than where you were at before the pills.

>>21593

They fuck with your brain, screw up homeostasis, and if you get one that's too strong can essentially 'emotionally neuter' you and 'chemically castrate' you.

>>22328

<<If the chemical Jew is making you cum jelly pellets and permanently destroying your short term memory but it isn’t helping yet, just double the dose.

Holy shit, not even shills are this obvious. I’m now convinced you damaged yourself with SSRIs and are a hateful fuck who wants everyone else to suffer as well.

>>21593

If just one of themedications has more than a 20% chance of causing permanent

anorgasmia (and fucked up semen) and more than a 30% self-reported rate of permanently damaged short-term memory abilities, and that medication isn’t even working for most of the shills that keep saying “you just need to try each one until you find one that works” why the fuck would anyone choose to take any of this shit as a first resort. Treat SSRIs like an honest-to-god lobotomy; they should be your absolute last resort. Go for a walk. Get some more sunlight. Buy a blue light and turn it on when you’re at work. Smoke weed. Do anything except take a placebo-effective pill that fills your thoughts and damps your ability to feel good or bad.