/doomer/ - Doomers Club

Can one count as a failed artist if they've barely tried at all? Or at most made shitty maymay vid edits that rarely got more than 10-100 views a year?

>>21477

>I just never felt like a true creative, but had the burning desire to be one.

Trying to deal with this myself. Came to the realization that my mind just isn't meant to be creative, I guess. I spent so much time trying to train that part of my brain, I really don't know if I can learn to live happily this way.

Fuck art. I suceeded in making it my career now i want to get off. It pays like shit and its stressing like no other thing. I have panic attacks for how much i hate dealing with clients and dealing with the crap i have to produce.

I am at a point where getting to a higher paying level is super hard, you´d have to really love the kind of shit that is marketeable and suck so much art director cock and thats not me so i am self sabotaging a lot. I pidgeonholed myself trying so hard to become an artist, art fucks you that way. Is exciting at first, the nth year is a fucking chore.

My fucking dream would just have a little coofee shop or bookstore or something. Art is cursed, there´s no way out and you´ll likely burn out and end up poor. Only do it if you already have passive income or are already rich and can just aford to do stuff for hobby.

>>21479

Yeah that's why I never tried pursuing it as anything more than a hobby. I mean I guess with how primitive and backwards society still is, having the time and energy to do art and not something that's pragmatically more beneficial to society is a privilege. So it's extremely hard to make a career out of just "being an artist". You either are lucky enough to ride the wave of whatever is trendy right now or you're immensely talented. And I have convictions against the former and I'm lacking in the latter.

wouldn't say failed, just extremely despised on an Anal Cunt/Skrewdriver level

most of my projects were rife with misogyny, totalitarianism, homopobia, nihilism, rape, cannibalism, terrorist worship. for some reason the hate just made me want to do it more to the point every scene doesn't want me a part of it. its ok though, I don't tend to like many people (including my family if you saw the recent post). GATE recipient, victim of gangstalking. I just don't trust anyone anymore. not even family, and esp. women.

>>21475

>not talented enough

not important at all

the only thing that matters is why you create what you create and who it is for

t. finds songs he gets obsessed with and then re-edits the text into something that suits his waifu or expresses his feelings to her

I mean, for me this is easy. I don't care if others find my creations pathetics because I create it to express my feelings, not for external approval. Now I need to complete what I started a week ago …

>>21476

same as above. Just keep doing it. Only thing that matters is to keep doing as long as you love what you create

>>21485

is it you thated about gate in the /pol/ hashtag thread earlier?

>>21481

You just have to like it a lot, that´s it. If i liked it enough to still feel motivated to work harder i easily could pull a lot more money and be less stress out but if you are not the kind of guy that still loves painting in your free time and still enjoys the process then you are at a crossroads. The competition at certain brackets starts becoming more and more autistic, there´s people who literally don´t do anything else or think of anything else.

>more beneficial to society

The average person in the first world overall spends the most amount of money of shit that is not beneficial at all to society. Think any time you pay for a videogame, a movie or a frappuccino. Commodities are probably a much bigger industry than "essential utilitarian stuff" overall, so you have it all wrong there.

>>21487

If you mean the /x/ thread I think so.

>>21496

this is sort of my case, unfinished business, too many hands in too many pies, I lack the asperger trait of having limited interests. I want to accomplish so much but then I toss things aside and say "fuck it, what's the use?"

Part of the problem is that we've seen what art IS destroyed in the past 100 years.

It's not us. We don't know what art is, only that we need what it ought to be.

There are three kinds of people, Idealists, Realists, and Pragmatists. Idealists are to be artists, priests, or otherwise. They are most tuned in to the geist, and are also the most prone to self-immolate in a self-immolating age. Realists are statesmen, men of war and law and rule. There's some crossover between these two, tuned into the geist, but also practical reality. Pragmatists are the business people, the bourgeois. They rule us. They have souls, but they're limited. They're the least tuned in to the age, and believe art to be utilitarian, either a means of money laundering ("high" art) or a useless frivolity used to sell and amuse ("low" art).

The reason most of you failed, is because you tried to be artists of the commercial age, thinking art was evnough, even if it was art of the pragmatists. I'm in the same boat. Personal poetry is a lie. I ought to have been writing national poetry, heroic poetry, poetry beyond myself, instead of useless, self-involved meandering. But of course, this is not what we have been taught to do. This is what they want to kill, because they cannot see it, for they lack the strength of souls, and cannot gain it, and do not understand, so they reject it, and reject all beyond material reality, all beyond pecuniary and appetitive uses of art, and so it goes.

There's a fourth type of person: the prole. These people don't really have souls, only dead seeds planted in bad soil. We are very rapidly moving towards rule by prole, where the only art is nigger grunting and booty shaking. There's nothing left after that. Cleanse it with fire.

The vile people who control our society cannot bear art. It is beyond them. And we get dragged down and waste our souls because of it.

>>21475

The opposite, actually. I was born with uncanny musical talent, as is most everyone in my family traceable back several generations. Elvis Presley even tried to buy the rights to one of my relatives' songs back in the day. Yet, as far as I know, I'm the only one who has absolutely no interest in producing or playing music. I took some piano lessons when I was younger and can play pretty much any instrument semi-competently within a few days, but my passion lies far more in writing and drawing.

I suppose in the sense that have no drawing skills and my writing is just okay makes me a failure in some sense, though I've never attempted to do either professionally because I'm well-aware of my limitations.

>>21496

Pretty much the same here. I've tried making a couple games, but in the end I always gave up.

I've actually completed two novels, but they were shit even after editing, so I deleted them in a fit of rage. Now I've started writing the third.

Still, my skills aren't that great. The funny thing is I wrote my first stories at 10 years old. It's just that when I showed them to my family they went "lol, this is shit", which discouraged me from writing for 8 whole years, the years in which I'd have had the most time to hone my skills in my entire life. If you lose the genetic/family lottery, you're just fucked for life.

>>21475

>I kill myself because I can't take the pain anymore. J

that's what capitalists want. if every suicider had risen and struck down 1+ hardpoint law enforcers or their enabling family we would be on the way to the DOTR.

>>21475

Millions have seen my photography. On adult sites and not in an art gallery but so what.

That's more than would see it in a gallery setting.

I had 2 offers to go big but did not want to 'sell out'.

You're only a failure if your work sucks or you don't believe in it.

You sound young in more ways than one.

Check back when your 40.

>>21475

regarless of how bad you think your art is, ask yourself this: does art make you happy? if it does then keep going and fuck what other people think. I make weird edm and shitty lofi music, but its what I love doing, so its what I'm going to keep doing until I become absolutely fucking amazing at it.

Actually, I'm a great artist!

>>21475

>Anyone else a failed artist?

Maybe you can say that yes, however it was pretty short period of my life (maybe 7 years in total). I started with music on high school because it was only thing that brought me joy and kept me alive. I was learning pretty quickly, in 1 year friend asked me if I don't want to play rhythm/lead guitar in his band so I did but unfortunately the band ended 2 months after that because of their inner fights. After that I released 1 solo album, not sure if its still even online, few people have the CDs though. Then I established record label just so I can release music in better ways, it all went okay, it was fun. I dived into noise-rock, later into post-rock, earned some okay money which were used to supply my tobacco addiction, made few albums which people liked, played in some other projects, etc. Then it got serious when I got into streaming services and realized I got screwed over and I earned cents instead of like ten bucks from any album, because the fanbase I got stopped buying the shit. To be fair, I had creative crisis as well and I pushed out 2 albums I totally hated but I did it for money only, so I guess that was another reason. I just wrapped it up and moved on in life. Later I discovered electronic music an basically until last year I was making random electronic music for free on bandcamp, I don't have much will to continue doing it even though I like electronic music still. I have also tons of poetry I wrote in last decade and I published online one e-book with few poems which sold few copies, I can't force myself to process this material at all, I don't like to read what I wrote, not even posts on this board. I think I could be successful and anytime I pick up instrument, guitar, bass, piano or drums, I'm just back on track but I'm hollow inside, there is no feeling or interest left in me and I have no interest in turning it into even small profit anymore.

>So then I tried drawing, which I didn't originally have a drive to do, and still don't, but because of how much I cherish feminine beauty I wanted to celebrate and honor it. But I'm so shit at drawing that literally my life's work has boiled down to making a few poorly done drawings of anime girls before I kill myself because I can't take the pain anymore.

I tried drawing as well, which would be useful in game design, which was also thing I did, but I suck at it horribly. I really like to see what other people can draw though.

>>21523

I got the time window screwed up again, there was also period of few years where I did literally nothing creative when I got deeper into programming, then I got into relationship and again I had no time for music, even though she was also musician, weird.

>>21476

>Or at most made shitty maymay vid edits that rarely got more than 10-100 views a year?

Whatever brings you joy. I was making drum n bass mixes just because it was fun thing to do.

>>21479

Imagine having retarded fanbase expecting you to deliver some artwork but when you try to push it into some new unexplored direction, they scream "but this is out of typical formula, we don't like it". Is it that much different?

>>21496

>But every project I've started always fails as I run out of motivation

Good game design documentation and plan helps a lot since you can track what you did and what has to be done. I'm not sure if I will be alive for long enough but I have two projects on paper that would be imo fun games. My problem is that I can make 3D models, I just lack experience so everything takes me way longer. Making games is only thing that interests me since I was kid, now I know how to do it, I have plenty of experience from working in this industry but it's not piece of cake, so I get it, but I'm programmer, not digital artist.

Don't give up, it won't escape you, you can get back to it anytime, that's the beauty of working on software.

>>21503

>Part of the problem is that we've seen what art IS destroyed in the past 100 years.

I don't see it this way. I enjoy art from recent years, 60s up to now same as I enjoy classical music and old paintings. I would say now it's even better because you can do literally anything you fucking want and share it online very fast. If you want to turn it into money, that's different question but that's not what art is about. My friend is a painter, she started on instagram sharing her paintings and now people buy it, she can do her vernissages and whatever. My opinion is that profit kills the artistic spirit if you can't control it.

If you're still breathing you haven't failed yet, the struggle continues.

Protip; don't be an artist because you enjoy the result, be an artist because you love the actual process of doing art.

>>21475

Dont say you deserved better because if deserved it you would get it. What i mean is there is no one out to stop you or something that is out of your control stopping you, dont get me wrong i do feel bad for you but you wont get anything by saying you deserved something just because you tried. Now what you can do to improve is pretty simple and something you likely have heard, get more discipline. Everyday spend the amount of time you can really focus on the thing and be productive. I know its nothing new but that is the answer. I'm not an artist of any sort but from i own experience of trying to enforce a habit and do it happily has helped me a lot with depression and anxiety.

>>21554

Best band ever

>>21503

Art is and always was about expressing your feelings

putting feelings into a music track, a film or on canvas. Even sculpturing or tinkering with clay figurines falls into that category.

>holy shit nigger, you gay as fuck

the reason why I say that is because I noticed one interesting pattern in pieces of art that I like. They make me feel good on the inside. They activate something in me. It just gives me that "they really nailed it" feeling in a very strange way. Like the artist has tried to express something that was on his mind and I happen to feel the same thing and feel like he formulated my thoughts as if they were his own. It is a really weird thing to describe, really.

So in the reverse this also means that if your work of art does not activate feelings in your audience, your art is shit. When people cannot "feel" your movie. It is shit. When people watch your painting and feel nothing, it is shit. When you create a song and nobody can relate to it at all, it is a shitty song and you failed to give it a soul.

Not shit as in shitty quality but shit in the sense of that it lacks emotion. Art is about putting your emotion into your piece of art. What you create is only a medium for storing the emotions you want to transport to the minds of other people.

The funny thing about these things is that it was my German teacher in trade school who was the first one to explain this concept to us. He was a cineast and he had a collection of more than 900 VHS and DVD movies and his words were that movies that don't make the audience feel anything, are by definition bad products. That was around 2009 though and it took me many years until I finally understood what he meant. And yes, at that time I also thought

>holy shit what is this gay shit he is giving us here

Oh and I saw this thread is the king of the sheckel.

Based OP

>>21516

Beautiful, keep doing it

>>21523

This is some story BO-san. Thank you for sharing

I see, we now have 2 record producers already

Anons, when I am finally good enough to write my own song instead of butchering the songs of other people and recycling them I already know whom to aks for a beat.

>>21564

Best band is

>Die schwarzen, untoten, blutgetränkten Waschlappen

Oh yes and I forgot to say.

In elementary school I was a drawfag.

My talent nonexistent but I compensated that with effort. I never reached the finesse of the girl that I fell in love with but I kept doing it. Then I gave up after elementary because there was nothing I wanted to paint anymore. However, yesterday I bought crayons and wax colors. When I come back from Düsseldorf I will buy acrylic colors, canvas and brushes. So yes, I am a failed and born again drawfag. But 12 years doing nothing, I have lots of time to recover.

>>21573

>2 record producers

No, it's still one. I don't count myself in anymore.

BO-san, one day your passion will return

I am sure of that

>>21585

I appreciate your positive view however I don't believe in that. I changed, but I'm old enough to know 'never say never'.

>>21479

Flemish?

>Trying to be an artist.

>Not having a trustfund or an inheritance.

It's all just a trap man. You'll never be good enough to beat out the exposure from people who can just buy their way to the top.

>>21596

You have a point however I don't think life has to be all or nothing type of game. You can still earn enough from art as small fish and there is this opportunity doing art for the sake of expression or whatever, for free if you wish to. If you live in country where you can get neetbux and actually survive from it then feel free to make vaporwave tapes in your basement, I think it's based.

>>21475

I was never into arts at all because I don’t have any creativity whatsoever, but I can definitely relate as a failed mathematician. I used to have a burning passion for math, I spent all my spare time reading about it and solving math puzzles, took part in a bunch of competitions, etc. But the more I delved into it, the more I realized just how stupid I really was and how I would never achieve anything of worth in mathematics, simply because I was born with moron genes. Despite all the effort and the countless hours I poured into it, I just couldn’t keep up with truly talented people, which ultimaltey led me to abandon math and Uni completely

>>21621

nah fool some of us got serious mental health issues. It's hard to produce anything with depression.

>>21621

I already stated I wasn't a failed just an incredibly despised one.

>>21596

My father's in the industry. But he lives far away and I had to do my own hard work. He's quite the virtuoso on the geetar though

>>21550

This

TLDR: you shouldn’t want to be a “songwriter”, that’s masturbation. What do you want? To write music? Then do that. Validation though. hey, can relate here with poetry, except I really struggled with the ability to focus, and ended up using drugs and alcohol daily from 17-23. Lost my life partner and friends and everything. Ended up living in a homeless shelter after hitchhiking to the other side of the country where the highway ends at the ocean. Waited 6 months there after cutting off from everyone I knew and pissing them off before I left so when I killed myself it wouldn’t bother them as much. Got redpilled by someone wired into dilaudid and then read mein kampf and slowly pulled my shit together. Spent a lot of time alone at night under bridges or in parks playing chords and singing too. avoid meth.

>>21613

Pick up programming or join some project trying to solve some math related issues even without being a programmer because you can always contribute with solutions someone else implements in code. People who actually know math on at least advanced level are always welcomed to not only propose new solutions but also to improve old ones. Your abilities might not get you spot in top mathematicians circles but can get you spot in various projects, from top of my head - OSdev/drivers, libraries, game engines, graphics APIs, science oriented software and algorithms, security. These fields all welcome people who have good knowledge of math and/or geometry. There might be a spot for you where you can use what you know and what you are interested in.

>>21475

>Just to tell the universe that even though I'm lazy, depressed, depersonalized, abused, bipolar, panic-stricken, anxiety-riddled, overweight, and neurotic, I can still say fuck you I deserved better.

The universe asked me to pass along this important message: "I don't care."

GenX reporting in to tell you that I, personally, sympathize with you completely, because I was a graphic designer that was abused by assholes and used as a computer input device for 14 years before I finally snapped and had a literal nervous breakdown. Now I'm on disability because the thought of dealing with people in meatworld makes me vomit.

My anxiety and clinical depression has crippled my creativity, and anything I had to do at that last job is nearly impossible (design, talking to people on the phone, hell, even email). I suspect you are having a similar problem. Anxiety over creation is the death of creation. What might help you, as it's helped me, is to find a new vector for creativity. I, myself, stumbled into woodcarving. I carve other people's basic designs, but I alter it as I see fit and make it my own. And painting them is fun. If that interests you, look for a local carving club and join. Most of them are full of old guys just dying to pass on what they know.

If that doesn't appeal, there are many other options. Take a sculpting course or learn painting as a beginner just to see if that reboots that part of your brain. Hell, join a grownups Lego group if there's one nearby. Art is everywhere, and sometimes in the places you least suspect.

I know that mental constipation you're feeling at not being able to be the next Mozart or whatever. It hurts and it's frustrating, but it's not the end. It's just a wall, and if you go around it to something else for awhile, you'll eventually find the door back to what you want or to something new to love. I know you can do it, because I did it and I'm just some pathetic xboomer fatass.

That goes for everyone here who also knows that feel. Go around until you find your door.

>>21644

>hitchhiking through highway

>to other side of the country

now that sounds like an adventure

would you mind telling us some tales?

I am sure there must have been something spectatular happening

Don't feel bad, Hitler also was a failed artist and look what he achieved.

>>21691

What he achieved? Because I can't remember anything worth noting with exception of creating suicidal superspook haunting us almost century later.

>>21475

>Anyone else a failed artist?

yes. Americans were sold a lie that anyone can be anything they want, and that you should always follow your dreams. Really it's just a ploy to secure a corporate management class, because only failures become franchise managers. It's got to be a tiny minority that actually makes a living off their art.

absolutely relevant to this thread. doomer art failure: the movie. its actually got some funny parts

>>21691

>achieved

He did cause a lot of noise, that is sure

But I hope there was a new Bismarck instead of him.

>>21695

>makes a living out of art

may I ask you one thing

Do you find it exhausting to do that for money.

I mean for example there comes a faggot customer and tells you do this and that but it goes totally against what you stand for and like to create.

I mean, inspiration is another thing. I think inspiration comes randomly so you have no way to control that. Do you struggle with delivering stuff on command?

I really wonder about those things

t. guy who could never do this on command

>>21699

read my post again. i didnt say i ever made money at it. i said i was also an art failure. earlier itt a kraut said it sucks though.

long story short, unless you are jewish or a brown person that hates White people, you won't make it. kikes run the studios, major labels, tv stations, and publishing houses. that's why all you see are kike and nigger "artists" who dont actually make art, just whine about White people.

going the independent route is "pay to play" you wont earn anything, so you're not technically a professional.

>>21702

And you genuinely believe this? Well, okay, no judging, just rhetorical question.

>>21702

It helps to be well connected with industry people but in general, if you are good at what you are doing, you will probably make it. Besides, the best is always to just do what you do because you like or love it. Eventually you will find people who value what you do and then you can do it professionally if you want to.

>>21475

Define "art."

Is furniture "art"? Chainsaw carved bears? Bob Ross and his happy horse-shit? (Which BTW was just advertising for his painting supplies.) Little old ladies making quilts? Lawn ornaments? Are these art?

Songwriting, painting, drawing…. good luck to you in fields where you have upwards of a billion competitors all doing the same thing and vested interests picking and choosing what is/isn't "worthy."

I make stained glass windows and suncatchers. It is a small niche with limited competition (expensive and very labor intensive) but I am willing to do the tedious and often frustrating work because I happen to think they are beautiful and I want beautiful things in my life. Turns out, other people happen to think the same, so I actually manage to make a living at it. (I could probably farm out my designs to someplace in Longwang China and wholesale myself into some real money, but I would still have the need to MAKE things myself, so what would be the point? I could also sell my patterns as coloring books and I may actually do both someday when I want to do something else.)

Find yourself a small niche making things YOU want in your life and see how that goes.

>>21763

>ill be happy if just a few friends hand it around

I sort of know it from my experience as I was making in the beginnings CDs - when I think now that there are people out there, friends, who still have a CD with my music on it, that's surreal feeling. I just wish streaming services would die, having a physical copy of whatever piece of art is amazing, even if it's nothing big.

>>21775

Sort of same as when I had "penpals". I still have those letters with all types of post cards and photos and whatnot. There is something special about being able to touch piece of your life.

>>21621

>>doesn’t realize all successful artists endure great pain

Most popular and biggest money maker patreon artists are fucking scenesters doing kitsch for shit and giggles, What kind of pain loish or Ross Tran have endured? they are not even that well trained in art.

>>21788

>Anyway, how the fuck you get to be one of those artists that can sell a literal piece of shit for millions?

Get an art degree or have created some good pieces in the past, then become friends with "a respected art critic" and have him put up a good word for you with idiots with too much money / use your stuff for all his money laundering business.

>>21777

Or drawing futa/fury pornpics. Based and redpilled. If I could draw I would probably draw some weeb shit as well if it would pay me decent money.

>>21788

>Anyway, how the fuck you get to be one of those artists that can sell a literal piece of shit for millions?

You have to have connections or you have to be picked up by someone who wants to make money out of you. It's not so great though because often you are not getting paid enough (yes surprise I know). Take a look at kpop for example, they are literal slaves of recording companies and often get paid just expenses, literal slavery. You see the gold all around it while artist is playing this game, because getting paid my expenses is better than earning 100 dollars a month on my own apparently.

>>21496

>If someone were to find out that the person who made this shitty-looking game is in his late 20s, they'd laugh for days.

Do you remember those old 80s/90s games made by literally 2 dudes in basement who even did dubbing for all characters in game? it was fun as hell and some gays are remembered even to this very day.

>>21810

>gays

games.

Not quite a failed artist or musician, things are on the up and up for me, though shit has been rough for years. I was shouted out by Tommy Wright III recently and I finally found an affordable studio to record my vocals. I've been putting out remixes, mashups, bootleg, covers & original music since I was 13, and I'm 27 now. I've been releasin posting most of my music online since about 2010. I've been doing all my own artwork for all my releases. I also recent got a job I can do from home, so I can do what I want while I work (I'm someone's personal assistant & their travel agent, part time) so I can finance my artist ambitions. I don't know where my career will take me, and even though things are looking better than ever careerwise, my life is still very shitty in general & without that, I wouldn't be able to get in the right headspace to create the music that I do. I've also been a shit poster & troll since I was 12, and started on totse. I moved to half Chan eventually for my trolling after totse2 and zoklet were gone. Now I don't even use half Chan because I like ∞chan better. I'm glad to share something about my music career with you Anons. You've always been there, good or bad. I wouldn't be who I am without you. If I ever get signed to a label, torrent my shit.

>>21788

>jack of all trades

I see an entrepreneur in the making

you just have to find something that you are enough passionate about to do it professionally. Being generalist is better for entrepreneurs that to be specialist. Also, those people with best careers in banking ususally have some unrelated background before they started in banking.

It is simply because they see the big picture, not only details. This ability is better for building investment strategies and stuff

I have been published (techno, house, mixtapes on the radio, back in the 90s) with relatively little effort but not much feedback. Once upon a time i got kicked out a dj residence (that is, i went there and there was another guy djing, passive aggressive move) and possibly to prove myself.

The next gig I played all the stuff I knew people liked.

So, I was there, with the people having fun and me feeling absolutely nothing, so I decided I didn't really want success. That's when I became an artist, I guess.

My reasoning is that success means being recognized, but people don't spend their life evaluating, or even knowing about, art. So even if you win the success lottery, it means little. Even if you don't need the lottery because you are clearly superior, well, is it your talent, or your persistence? Even if it is your persistence, isn't persistence itself a talent? Can you will to be persistent? So why isn't everybody?

Basically my suggestion is, unearth your talent whenever you feel like, and see what comes out. It comes out well: good. It comes out shit: lol. As much as somebody's trying to convince you life is a competition, as soon as you have eaten and drunk for the day, you won it, the placement is irrelevant.

>>21810

>it would pay me decent money.

Doesn´t pay nearly as much as people think. Fandom stuff goes for the lowest price of anything you can do. The one advantage the furfag and weeb trash has is a lower entry bar so its easier for people without much experience to start getting some attention and commissions but the price go low as fuck. Only a few of that bunch will ever get enough attention to really gain traction money wise.

And you better use a pseudonym because that stuff will keep you out of the brackets that really pay well, or at least enough to earn a living in the first world. Applying for an insutry job having "fandom style" is cancer.

>>21871

Do we know for a fact that this guy wrote the book? Also did you see the art website that has the cover art on it?

>>21838

>I see an entrepreneur in the making

Already tried, was in a startup but things went to shit and my cofounder stabbed me in the back (as it turns out it happens often, see snapchat) and everything went to shit. Luckily I made it out of that without losing any of my money, just investor's (who didn't give a shit anyway because it wasn't literally their money, they just handle investments for richfags) and I was ready to try again but then life fucked me over with a series of really bad shit happening to me and my family and now its like I have the word 'loser' written in my forehead or something but I can't get anyone to join one of my projects, they probably can tell from body language or something and truth is I'm really fucking tired and depressed to focus hard enough on something, let alone be able to go solo.

>It is simply because they see the big picture, not only details. This ability is better for building investment strategies and stuff

One of the things I really regret was not getting into financial instead of IT before my brain turned to mush. Now when I try to read about finance is like my head turns off and I can't process anything.

>>21871

Link to the video?

>>21810

>You have to have connections

Got none, bad luck then

>Take a look at kpop for example, they are literal slaves of recording companies and often get paid just expenses, literal slavery

Oh I know, after all kpop is a carbon copy of japanese idols, all the same shady shit. Wouldnt be surprised if they get forced into VIP prostitution too. But is not the same kind of 'art' I'm talking about, is not like selling a shark in formaldehyde for $30 million

>>21874

Theres this chick on patreon, dunno if asian or russian but she makes around $30k a week, us dollaridoos, I'm dead serious. She draws fine porn, tons of talent and her art is way about the average hentai in production quality, but still its porn and she makes more in a WEEK than most people do in a year.

Of course she must be in the top 1% of weebshit artists in terms of revenue but still even $1k for drawing hentai is a lot.

>Applying for an insutry job having "fandom style" is cancer

Dunno, seen plenty of these fags making it to cartoon network, even a chick from that fluffy pony scene which is turbo autism mixed with mlp guro

>>21886

>dunno if asian or russian but she makes around $30k a week

For every Sakimichan there`s a million fandom "pros" doing 20$ commissions. It gets embarrassingly low.

Even stuff with the same level of quality that some of these artists offer sells for a higher price because every other teenager does weeb and furfag stuff and it is way too saturated . You are more likely to atract people and get them to buy with that stuff but will have a harder time reaching a higher pay bracket, so the bussiness model will be based on quantity and in how much degeneracy can you take without shame. If you think Shadman does cringy stuff is because you haven`t really seen the kind of shit that private commissioners request.

Sometimes, just not drawing a furry or an anime girl means you can charge more. Shittier artists and photobashers who can barely draw literally earn more per gig just by not having anime in their portafolio and have more openings when they submit to entertainment industry gigs. All it takes is a little divergence.

>cartoon network

They hire their staff and their creators from the same schools and groups of connections within the USA, its not surprising who ends up in their development teams. There`s a few of their current artists that used to do fandom stuff years ago, but they absolutely didn`t put any on their portafolio or got ahead with it in any way. Those are anecdotes from before they even graduated school. If Rebecca Sugar was doing Invader Zim OCs it was on her free time and thats basically the message a portafolio with fandom stuff conveys to art directors, that you are still childish, amateur and didn`t receive any formal education, even when the work is well done. Fan art stuff is for instagram and twitter. Hentai and furry stuff goes with a pseudonym that you hope people wont trace back to you because no company wants to be associated with that content even indirectly by having one of their artist be recognized as a degenerate.

>>21689

Whenever I hear someone irl tell me they are depressed and want to die I tell them to hitchhike around their country for a couple months before. If some serial killer cuts you up, you save yourself the energy of having to an hero and it’s a cool way to disappear.

before I found a guitar I had a cheap harmonica that I kept in my pocket. I knew fuck all about harmonica, but anytime I asked someone who plays, they told me I just needed to blow and figure it out. Well I was going through Quebec and it was around midnight. When I started out I’d only hitch during the day, after awhile I stopped caring whether The person seemed trustworthy and would just get in and hope they’d drive off a bridge or shoot me in the head or something quick. it was dark and cloudy. I had slept the whole day in a bush near the highway, but was running out of food and money so I needed to move along until I found some cash labour jobs. I found an on-ramp that had a street light and sat under the light, wearing a black wide brimmed hat that cast a shadow over my face as I blew and blew into that harmonica, playing for the trees and the wind that kept threatening to knock my hat off. A car would pass every 20 minutes. I took a look around and saw a van had pulled over 100 m down. I took my stuff and made my way. It was two old French men. A father 90 and son 65. As we drove they resumed reciting their rosaries in French. As we drove under street lights the car would go dark then slowly fill with a burning yellow and then fade. I started to disassociate. After they finished they told the story about Fatima of Portugal. They dropped me off in a great spot and I laid in some tall grass which made a soft bed. The sky had cleared up in spots. Before dozing off, a star shot across the sky.

>>21891

>.. because no company wants to be associated with that content even indirectly by having one of their artist be recognized as a degenerate.

now this sounds like a job for internet detectives with too much time on hand and nothing to lose ….

>>21891

>If you think Shadman does cringy stuff is because you haven`t really seen the kind of shit that private commissioners request.

Shadman is cringy porn but still porn, havent seen him doing stuff like scat or guro just edgy violence at worst. Not defending the fag just saying that yes I seen much worse, the chugworth guy did some really awful guro shit with little girls all using the same style from his weeb comics.

>Even stuff with the same level of quality that some of these artists offer sells for a higher price

Dont you mean lower?

>every other teenager does weeb and furfag stuff and it is way too saturated

Yeah but in most cases the quality is subpar, I was never into furry shit but what I've seen the quality is just embarrassing, sure it was on /b/ where it gets shitposted often but still it was barely above sketch-quality.

>who can barely draw literally earn more per gig just by not having anime in their portafolio and have more openings when they submit to entertainment industry gigs

Isnt anime and furry just easier than doing serious shit tho?

>If Rebecca Sugar was doing Invader Zim OCs

Iirc that crazy cunt was doing some yaoi shit with minors, and some nastier shit I can't remember. But I'm pretty sure CN knows about it and they havent dont shit about it afaik

>>21894

>10k for shit that looks like my highschool sketches with crap coloring

Fuck this planet

>>21984

Thanks

>>22007

yeah, rebecca sugar was pretty based. 4chan turning her into a byword for shitty calarts style was stupid

like, even the actual steven universe cartoon was pretty based

>>21496

Best advice would be to try rethinking the way you work on projects and go for a more modular design philosophy. That way, instead of working on and trying to complete a full-fledged project, simply spend an hour slapping together a fun little module that does something, rinse, and repeat. Then, when you want to create an actual project, look through your well-organized library of modules, find the ones you need, and then simply slap 'em together. It's best to go at it with a farmer's mindset; spend some time every day tending to your "garden"(module library) and then, when you're grab a few "ingredients"(modules) from your garden and bake a quick "meal"(project). It's much more enjoyable, and much less tedious this way, since there's no pressure to complete projects or maintain motivation, and since you don't have to let effort go to waste

>>21886

>Now when I try to read about finance is like my head turns off and I can't process anything

It's always like that at the start with finance. Takes a couple months to actually get a handle on the basics. How long have you stuck with it before you gave up?

You may also want to start with older stuff, despite it being of limited usefulness nowadays, because it's more basic and therefore easier to comprehend, you can learn the advanced stuff later.

Security Analysis by Graham/Dodd and The Intelligent Investor are good for starters.

>>22025

I mean I don't watch it so…

>>22454

when I read stuff on micro and macroeconomics I really have to focus.

I draw just about every day and have done so since I was four. I am not famous or 'successful' in a marketable sense, but I still enjoy doing it. A few people and bands have asked me to do commissions before, but I usually shy away from those types of offers. In fact, yearning for publicity had terrible effects on my confidence as an artist, so I just stopped sharing my art on social media.

If you are concerned with the aesthetic of what you are drawing, I would say concentrate and relax on basic features one at a time. Obviously you are not going to start by drawing a perfect waifu all at once. Research how to draw shapes and details. Take twelve minutes out of your terrible life to learn, once you get the process down, it sticks and you can take what you learned onto the next drawing. Anime girls shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to get the basic outline, then move onto coloring; coloring sucks, if you're trying to compete with people it sucks even more. If you're doing digital art get an ipad or something and a stylus.

I've also done theater, music, and writing.

>I've written maybe two riffs down that have stuck

Write another riff and you basically have the fundamentals of a song. Just repeat and interchange them over and over again for a few minutes and scream like an asshole.

>>21486

>same as above. Just keep doing it. Only thing that matters is to keep doing as long as you love what you create

THIS!

Recently, as I said, I went back to making music when I have time for it and it's tough, more tougher than it was before. But as >>22494 said, if you keep trying, eventually you will end up with something which might be worthy to be done and published. I noticed that I'm completely missing something I used to have, some signature feel to it all, in other words I don't feel myself right now in what I create. If I can find what is lost, that would be great.

>>22498

>If I can find what is lost

Well good luck then in finding again that energy of youth and sweet naivete of a young man. It's no coincidence that there is a term for child prodigy but no equivalent term for older people. Absolute vast majority of mathematicians did their best work being in first half of twenties or even younger. Same can be told about other departments like physics, CS etc. Even music. What most people can't seem to realize is that extraordinary people become extraordinary when they are young and they just live the rests of their life from what they've learnt while being young. How many music bands or single artists you know who made the breakthrough piece of art in their 40's or 50's. Yeah I though so. It's all about being young and youth energy. I've also felt for the comfortable lie that lol everybody has equal chance at any point of life. No it is just an another lie of this fucked up society. Sorry to tell you.

>>22507

I have still enough trust in my capabilities since I know myself best. If I am naive yet once again or not, that's something I have to find out. I don't think it's such a big deal. I'm not looking for success as it is commonly understood, all I'm looking for is some way of artistic expression and that shouldn't be too hard. I'm not learning the "trade" from scratch, keep in mind I did it for many years. So I'm seeing it more as an issue of "do I have something to express and how to express it, if I do" rather than "can I put out the greatest piece I ever recorded". Satisfying your audience is what killed the artist in me in the first place, so I'm not doing this mistake again. I put my focus on inner satisfaction this time, creating something for the sake of creative process and I want to see if I can enjoy it again.

However, I don't dismiss your point of "youth and youth energy", definitely it's true and everything feels different than it used to when I was a teen/in early 20s. If the case is true, that I don't have anything to risk, anything to lose, then I should be able to re-gain something from my young fearless self and once again I'm my own biggest enemy.

And yes, I guess trying is in this particular case maybe better thing to do than giving up, because I want to do it, so I do it.

I respect art a lot. Drawing specifically. I wish it wasnt too late for me.

The closest i have is music with guitar but i have no idea how actually recording works.

I published a poem once . didn't feel anything from it. I just feel bad im not an artist

You can't make it if you are not young my ass. I just spent 3 hours working on one track and so far I think I just blown my mind even though it will need hell of a lot of work to make it more polished. Give it a go guys, now I can recommend in this case, it's worth trying.

>>23049

So you think your life ended because you can't get into some shitty school?

>>21511

If I had the money to buy a gun I'd take out a cop. But alas im por.

>>23087

No, that was just the tipping point, everything I try fucks up or I fuck it up myself. This was just the one thing I have been actually excited for and confident in for a long time so it hit harder when it fell apart.

>>23067

Thanks anon, I hope something works out for you. I'm thinking of going to Europe for a few months, I haven't seen a lot of my family there in a while. I don't know what I'll do after though.

I've become quite the writer apparently.

>>23175

Have any sample works?