/doomer/ - Doomers Club

Yes, im in the same boat as you man I look down in an ivory tower feeling pity for all those peasants about to get washed away in the flood, yet theres not much I can do to help them in their struggles. its difficult to connect with them or anyone in general even if I could. We all feel that lonliness, trying to fill that void. some do drugs, fuck women or relationships, work or hobbies. Theres just something missing for people like us. Or perhaps were just more hyper aware then others and can see the bullshit. I for one blame this society. we have all this tech to connect us but I feel we are further apart with everyone more than ever.

Im gonna try to go as far as I can maybe I can try to either fix this clown world or implode it. Maybe ill see you there anon, youll know when it happens.

>>21218

I guess it doesn't really matter where you work or if you work. Some can still manage to earn decent money and be fucked up inside at the same time. The trouble is, this anchor of emptiness can easily drag you to absolute bottom.

>>21218

Sun Goddess an hero'd despite being very successful (at her own scale obviously) so yes, you can be successful and still be a doomer. Though I'd wager that it is rare. Doomerism doesn't arise in a vacuum.

>So, can I be relatively successful in life and still be a doomer?

doom is not about monetary numbers, it is a state of mind, a feeling of having no future, of life being pointless and now knowing why you exist or keep living

t. kind of affluent fag

>I'm a junior manager,

congrats on getting in that positon and your success

but aren't low management positions basically

>having all the stress and responsibilities that upper management has

<but without having the multimillion dollar christmas bonuses?

many people get trapped thinking this was a good deal and then regret it

> My on the job social skills are pristine, I can make decisions and take on their consequences, I can talk to people and give them good hints. I can say no and have an iron sense of self- discipline, my peers ask me if I was in the military.

I see you are the business man type of man. You would prosper in Germany anon

and, have you been in military?

t. failed the recrutation sports test

>Still it's not enough. I have a feeling that I'm missing something, something obvious that should be there, but never was.

Of course. I know what it is.

There is a reptillian part in your brain and there is the logical/business/leader part of your brain.

The reptillian brain is telling you to find a wife, build a house together and have lots of children with her. However, your logical brain is sabotaging you in those endevours.

>I've been with women, all of them I remember well, but that while pleasant, it was not the feeling which would satisfy my desire to strive on

wow, okay this was a plot twist. Very surprising.

Maybe you were not with the right one? Maybe you could not fully commit? I wonder what it was that it did not end with happy end …

>and the feeling of nothingness and loneliness that has been with me through my entire life. Always alone, always doing his thing, nobody asked, nobody cared. I float through life like a stone, my childhood baggage and social problems long since overcome.

Maybe you started convincing yourself you are better off alone. Maybe you get more satisfaction from business success. I am sure you would be a top notch entrepreneur.

>Now I came here.

Welcome. Here have your welcome beer *passes beer*

>>21231

actually you worded that feeling very well

just a feeling that something is wrong with the world and that you don't belong here

>>21231

Ahh, thank you for your post. You know, I felt a bit like you do, but then at some point I've realized that on that path lays only arrogance. A bit of arrogance is healthy, but if you overdose, you become bitter and angry. There are things in this world worthy of our time and passion, but quite frankly those things aren't people.

You know, I found this feeling of disconnection to be an advantage. You know the rules. You see the lies. You just reject them and live how you want, within the society, but not participating, not buying their shit, focusing on what you really want to, not on the given options. For that alone I absolutely adore doomers, some are passive, some active and ambitious as we are, but all are treasures because they see how things are. The world is fucked? Well fuck it in return!

>>21286

Oh no, I love my job! But I took a different approach than most. I'm not driving my ambition towards success of the company or better results, but to make the job as pleasant for me and my crew as possible. I'm delegating tasks, teaching people stuff I know, badmouthing the higher management and above all else, being loyal to my crew of misfits and trying to make their life easy. It's not about what my superiors want. It's about what we want. In a true doomer fashion, I'm having fun when I'm expected to be oh-so-serious.

>I see you are the business man type of man. You would prosper in Germany anon

I love the corporate environment! I mean it's perfect for a doomer- no feelings, no pity, no true friends, nothing true at all. It's just a stupid game and most people being unhappy while doublethinking the so called corporate values and treating them very, very seriously running around and pretending all of this stuff matters. I think they are the true doomers, they just don't realize it. The funny thing is that with a bit of skill, you can twist this whole place around to get what you want out of it… That is a paycheck and a steady, pleasant job, almost a place to be.

I'm unfit for duty, but I've been studying military history for my entire life as a hobby- recently I've indulged myself in military command philosophy and organization and battlefield psychology. It's a fascinating subject. I guess I must have picked up some of the attitude through constant exposure, I'm quite fit as well, but I wouldn't actually want to serve in a military now that I know a bit about it, with all those boneheads and anti-creativity… The corporation is my thing and to my surprise, many things within are very much like the military. Hell, I even use field manuals to educate myself on leadership and the ways of thinking and acting. This stuff is ridiculously effective.

>reptilian brain

Nah, ambition. The world is full of interesting things to do and learn, full of knowledge. I've spent many Saturdays just reading Wikipedia and watching historical youtubers, I just love learning and discovering, challenging and testing myself. It partially comes from bad self esteem as a kid- if I can do this or that, I am good at something! It must have stayed. I like management, I like manual work, I like sports, I like learning, I like martial arts, I like gardening, I like philosophy, I like weaponology… And I like doing nothing at all, just being, or staying home and playing vidya games as a proper recluse should. Note that I haven't mentioned people in the above paragraph.

I'll triple post, because I wrote too long of a wall of text.

>>21286

>on women

Oh I assure you, they were the right ones. Hell, one of them has a PhD in physics and mathematics now, but our paths went apart years ago. As to what went wrong… Well, partially my immaturity at the time, as you can see years of loneliness have made me egoistic (much more then than now), but also very self dependable and self sufficient, at the cost of being self centered. I'm focused on myself because nobody was ever there and even if he was, it was probably a chained transaction. I'm very aloof- you see, in my house we used to be raised by economic blackmail. Whatever we wanted was instantly used against us to coerce us to do more and brag, often to be denied in the end. Promises and words had no value, many were broken. This taught me to disregard words and focus on actions, or more specifically- their effects. In time I have learned to control my feelings (there weren't any back home) and desires to the point where I see every action as a tactical or strategic move to acquire something and revealing my own emotional self to another is a form of a defeat. It's hard to overcome, I'm geared for defense and counter, but not for just letting someone in close.

In fact all of my relationships were well, byproducts of me trying to help some poor girl (I have a weak spot for that) and having her develop feelings for me. If I like someone more than I should, I subconsciously choke the feeling off as doing that would put me in a very disadvantageous position. For me it is a form of a controlled commitment, giving something while staying at a safe distance, doing good while minimizing risk. As far as I remember I had trouble grasping the concept of me being attractive and desirable, whenever I had some girl approaching me, I took her words literally. For example when one asked to borrow my notes, I replied that they wouldn't be useful to her, as my handwriting is unreadable. Or when in high school a girl asked me to go to the cinema, I've replied that I'm not interested in whatever they're playing and those things I want to watch, I watch alone. It sounds extremely arrogant, but from my point of view I'm just answering a question. In many cases I simply fail to read the emotional underlay, it's just information.

My relationship is a sort of a cycle. I find a girl in a complete mess, I help her out by offering emotional support and good advice without asking anything in return, she gets better and asks me for motives, I usually say that it's just what I want to do. Then after some time, she gets on her feet and goes off to find someone else, oddly enough in many cases it being a long lasting, happy relationship and she loosens contact with me, but still remains very respectfful and friendly. I've had four or five such relationships, two ended up being her getting too close and we ended up as a couple for a year or two. The feedback I got is that I'm ultra patient, very gentle, very intelligent, but also very hard to get to and squeeze any emotion out.

I guess in order to fix that I would need a very patient girl to heal me, but then again I don't really see anyone having any sort of interest in doing that, so I focus instead on mentally preparing myself to be alone (and been doing so since I was a kid).

So that's my story. Gods, I'm so happy to be here, in this place. You guys are worth way more than you let yourself realize.

>>21368

I'm like you in the sense of seeking knowledge but otherwise I'm not as motivated. Also I'm terrible with my finances and a bit more contentious with others. You seem alright dude. I don't Lord jealousy over people like you. Waste of time and it's nice to be positive once in awhile.

>>21454

Wee, now I'm an anime character! The high and mighty warrior and leader of men is cute, uguu. That's a change of perspective, that's for certain.

I'll reply in detail once I'm back. I have a job interview today- and I'm conducting it.

>>21454

Righto, thank the Dark Gods that this board is slow. Soo getting back to the point…

>you are a good boss

Well, depends on whom you ask. Unfortunately my work environment is very bitter, full of frustrated women, nepotism and such. If I want to have good standards, it is your duty to teach them to people so that they know better.

My friend, corporate values are meant to disintegrate your own system of values and substitute it with your typical rat race, obedience and lack of creativity, under the guise of "opportunities", "constructive criticism" and "improvement opportunity". Those values are preached, but the ones totally opposite are the ones that are being taught.

It is very hard to detach yourself from those, because of the huge exposition that you have. You seriously need to be a person of true moral integrity in order to see through this and do things differently, as a noble human being would.

Well, in short on me and women is that I also keep myself to a very high standard. You know, there was a point in my life where everything else had failed and only through self discipline I was able to pull through and prevail. If everything is taken from you, only your self discipline and determination remains as a final defence against falling into oblivion. So I work out. I train martial arts. I read. I have a very good job. Still, it's not sufficient in my book. I need to do better in my own eyes. Perhaps out of fear of rejection? Perhaps of ambition? Or the desire to have an advantage over everything and placing myself in the most comfortable position? It matters not, as I'm constantly under the impression of being at a disadvantage, and so having to keep up only with hard work and self cultivation. In the end it turns out that whenever I meet a girl who is let's say not as developed as I am, it makes me cringe a bit and I have to overcome it. Or I misread a straightforward intention. Whenever she's very intelligent, I prefer to friendzone her in order not to soil a good thing with all this relationship related drama.

>>21218

>So, can I be relatively successful in life and still be a doomer?

Yes. Hell you can even be rich and famous and still be a doomer. See what Keanu Reeves has to say when he's not on camera, see what life he lives. If that's not doomer, what is?

>>22118

Wasn't Jim Carrey also sort of doomer before he started painting shit and bloomed a little? I think I've seen some interviews with him where he went into 2deep mode and also I think Courteney Cox said when she was making some movie with him back in the day, that he randomly went into very deep and serious modes spontaneously. Mask was a documentary.

>>22125

We all wear one in one way or another, nu?

>>22128

Maybe. Wearing it can be also a fun but once in a while you have to take it down and look into mirror. Trouble is I don't know if I even have a mask at all or if I become my own mask.

>>22131

Well, we are different things to different people. We are different even to ourselves, sometimes we appear to be one thing, sometimes another. Buddhists have it nicely covered with the whole "a different version of me in each head" kind of thing. All of them valid, though not entirely.

I like a quote by James Clavell: "A Japanese has five hearts. One for the public, second for his enemies, third for friends, fourth for family and the fifth, secret one only for himself". I kind of feel that way about both myself and my surroundings.

>>22132

I don't like doing it on purpose though. I'm kind of this pisces fuck who can represent opposite stances in span of few seconds because I see in everything pros and cons, wearing same mask as the group around me is wearing. That's why I sort of like being here because I can be myself for a while behind this half-anonymous layer, and it's fun because even if I'm alone with myself, I'm tricking myself with all sorts of masks.

>>22139

Oh, true that. I have to put on a very unpleasant mask at work, as I work with very unpleasant people- here I'm literally on vacation.

>>21218

>>21231

I think a big part of my doomerism is how much I've failed in life but at the same time I fear that if things improve and I actually achieve some of my goals and the fog of doomerism doesnt dissipates then what? whats left to fix? and how do I fix it?