/doomer/ - Doomers Club★

A fucking golden age compared to what we have now. It wasn't perfect, but damn, I'd go back in a heartbeat if I could.

>>17350 (OP)

I mainly remember emo girls being everywhere. 'Twas a good time.

Games were better too. You could actually still buy AAA games and AA games were a thing that existed.

Small forums existed, instead of Reddit swallowing everything into one single cancerous growth.

There was an Internet radio culture that's pretty much died outside of aNONradio.

There were a whole lot less normalfags since the Internet was pretty much still a thing for people that spent 24/7 in front of a computer.

Better time all around. Looking back, it's easy to notice that there were already signs of decay showing everywhere, but in the moment it was still easy enough to ignore to not be constantly depressed.

>>17350 (OP)

I was happy back then

A simpler time.

I hate having nostalgia for a time when I was busy with nostalgia for a different time, but I have to admit, I was happier then and my life made way more sense. I had hope, then. I don't know how to escape this feeling.

>>17358

>I had hope, then. I don't know how to escape this feeling.

I don't know either, anon. I wish I did, though, because it hurts. It really does hurt.

Same as the 90s.

With sadness, those were good times that won't ever come back.

>>17358

During the mid 2000s I wasn't really happy too. But compared how shit hit the fan later, it was a lot of better time. I thought the mainstream stuff was boring compared to the 90s but never expected how cancerous perverted (especially politically) the stuff is nowadays. On a personal level I still had hopes. I just thought maybe I will get better and things will work out somehow. Now I'm having suicide fantasies everytime I think about my future just a year ahead. But maybe this was also just part of a big disillusionment, which my generation probably had en mass. I was far more left and empathic, thinking about people as individuals, but now everyone looks like a mass-produced puppet in a chaotic game. Back then all the new technological stuff seemed like an improvement in our everyday lives and the internet as a foundation for a free and more independent world. Instead it's just mass surveillance and a pseudo-intellectual pandemic of moronic plain crazy delusions. Int he end, I just got bitter.

>early 2000s

>still had the 90s feeling and some 90s fashion before XXXL hip hop clothing became in

>still had the good old 80s and 90s movies on television Stallone, Arnie, Willis, Gibson, Jackie Chan

>RTL did not have Hartz 4 program entire day

>big anime boom in the west RTL2 pokito

>best pokemon games get released (silver/firered/saphire)

>yugioh and pokemon cards

>beyblades

>surfing web forums about cheats for pokemon (posting movesets and teams) and looking for cheats on N64 games

>you could just go to the playground and every day something new was happening, always some guy doing rascal or funny shit

>firing illegal italian fireworks that the italian kid brought from vacation

>playing soccer and shooting the ball into the balcony of some boomer

>burning down the slide because it was plastic and why not

>one guy brings an air soft gun from vacation to be fascinated with

>2003 Terminator 3 gets released, shittier than 2 but still a decent movie compared to what comes later…

>mid 2000s

>VIVA and MTV had actual music instead of reality tv shows

>sometimes even anime shows

>hearing other kids how they pirated Tokyo Drift and how it was a superb movie it wasnt

>youtube had creative people only, not profit minded wannabe tv hosts

>youtube had full length movies and anime episodes on it

>torrenting was still viable and pretty safe

>my cousin pirates entire PS2 library, even games before release and JPN games we never got officially

>pocketbikes of a guy in the neighborhood and police coming visit

>SimsCity and Need for Speed were not ruined yet

>Videogames had no always online or account crap

>You could easily crack MS Office and windows XP

>How to be … videos by Ryan Higa were more creative than 85% of jewtube today

>2007, everything starts to go to shit RTL goes full Hartz 4-Sender

I liked those years a lot

And best thing was, the music was okay. I mean pretty much everything, even the most normie genres.

From Hip Hop, RnB, Pop to Rock everything was pretty okayish. I feel like modern music is only autotune crap.

At leat in the 2000s, for Pop music there was focus on RnBesque affects and beats with actual instruments

shit, high school. was a Bush Jr. fan which caused people to hate me. was into punk but hated pop-punk. also grindcore, Soulseek, MySpace, I got laid more. eh, 50/50

>>17380

>2007, everything starts….

2001 was when it all went to hell, anon. 9/11, no matter what you may think of it, was the death knell of Western civilization, and 2007 was more like pissing on its corpse. When I saw the news footage, I knew that that was pretty much game over for the West. I believe I heard it on some Youtube video or on 8ch or somewhere, but somebody once said:

>9/11 was the day the world ended, and everything after's just going through the process of coming to a complete stop.

A slow, agonizing process, mind you, but one that even then I knew was starting. I honestly believe that TEOTWAWKI will come about in my lifetime, and at this point, my sorry doomer ass is just waiting for the all clear - that is, when it begins - so I can call it a life. Don't know what my method will be, though.

Early 2000s skate culture was unironically the last stand of white masculinity. I remember being in the punk/ska/skate scene back then. Holy shit, great times. Now I don't think anybody listens to anything that isn't made by some porch monkey. The single best thing about the 2000s was probably EMO GIRLS (and girls that didn't listen to fucking rap in general)

>>17391

it was cool but I craved stuff that was much harder and then ENTER GRINDCORE.

>>17391

>playground early 2000s

>are you skater or hiphopper?

yep, that was us too

I never got into skateboarding and yes, I remember the emo subculture.

In a way you are right, today for white boys there is no outlet anymore

>>17414

>when some goatfucker from a cave in bumfuckistan assrapes the strongest and techonologically most advanced mega power in the history of the planet >without ever entering their territory with a single tank, howitzer or rifle

He did the same to the Soviets too, for fuck sakes. If it wasn't so tragic, I would find it hilarious.

>Kabul might have a mcdonalds today but the west is entirely doomed

Pretty much. At this point, I'm just coasting through life, doing as little as possible, waiting for the bombs to start falling. Shouldn't be too long, what with Pajeets and Bumfuckistan's elder brother plotting to go after one another, all the while the CCP waits in the background.

>>>17415

>today for white boys there is no outlet anymore

Exactly. There's basically fucking nothing for them. Their only options are basically nostalgia for a time they never even knew or opiates at this point.

>emo subculture

We don't even have a subculture anymore - after emo, people basically just gave up on the idea of having one.

>>17415

just be a hessian.

I look back to it as a time when I didn't have to look at gay ass wojak edits and nobody gave a shit about the generational sociology meme

way better than now, but it's when shit started turning bad.

the 90s and 80s were a lot cooler

I don't know if skate culture was "last stand of white masculinity". It was always multiracial, wasn't it? In late 00s, through 2010s it transformed into pure business thing because the fashion became popular, a lot of the skaters were dopeheads anyway who started caring about clubbing and harder drugs than weed and it all went to shit. Golden era of skateboarding was already over in 00s. I still admire some of its aesthetics, the artists some brands have/had are pretty damn good, just it drifted away from being "street" thing more to fashion.

t. skated a bit

>>17415

Funny how some subculture was important for us as kids/teens. Do zoomers have it? They all look the same to me nowadays. You had skate kids, punks, metalheads, skinheads, hip hop kids, emos, then those freaks who smoked weed 24/7 and listened to DnB only, and many others. Hell, I knew few guys who were heavily into reggae. We bumped randomly into each other on street at night, who wasn't going outside roaming streets and doing stupid shit was equal to not being alive at all. School or no school, rain or hot summer night, you just went outside, somebody knew the cashiers so he could buy cigs and some beer/wine. Remember those times when some moms came for guys or girls because they missed the time when they had to go back home, funny stuff. It all went to shit as we got older, suddenly school started to be important for these maggots because what if they won't get into high school they want to. There was nothing else to do anyway because TV was crap as always and you could play games for hours after you got home from school but in evening you picked up your ass and went outside. 90% of people hadn't got internet at all, so what could you do.

Wonderful times. Cellphones were still clunky and couldn't do shit except texting and phoning but even that was expensive so people weren't hooked to their damn phones constantly.

We'd hop on our bikes and drive around all day or played SSB on gamecube at home.

>Games were better too. You could actually still buy AAA games and AA games were a thing that existed.

The industry was still figuring out 3D games, hence the wide variety of games compared to today. Really glorious

It was also the time in which my homelife went to shit though. If I could go back in time, I'd turn myself to CPS, a lot of damage could have been prevented maybe and I wouldn't have turned out the fuck up i am today

I think this excerpt hits in on the head:

America's decline: the end of the American dream?

On the other hand, there were plenty of individuals whose lives had already been affected by America's changing social and economic situation. Such was the case in the city of Seattle and the nearby logging towns of the Pacific Northwest in the state of Washington, where the unemployment rate had climbed to over 12% in the early 1980s. In connection with the hard times, a heroin epidemic had taken hold there. The mood, as well as the heroin, had seeped into Seattle's underground music culture, particularly the raw and heavy "grunge" music scene pioneered by bands like Nirvana, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains in the late 1980s (1, 2, 3). Soon enough, grunge was playing non-stop on radio stations across the country. Arguably, one key factor behind grunge's appeal was that the sound, lyrics and persona of its creators appeared authentic - not just a gimmick put together by corporate America, which people were souring on. Reinforcing this impression of authenticity was the fact that, on occasion, grunge lyrics offered a cynical and critical look at the society that corporate America had produced and, thus, measured up as a "rebellion". Grunge also deconstructed the way the boomers reacted with the world, entering a largely-uncharted frontier in terms of boundary-pushing expression to become the new brand of rebellion. Its critique included everything from the boomers' hedonism and television-controlled lives to 'Beatlemania' and cultural heritage (1, 2).

Eager to cash in, corporate America promoted grunge. The fashion industry jumped in too, selling the kind of thrift-store clothes that the bands had worn while strapped for cash and had continued to wear, which had become associated with grunge, in general. In this manner, non-fashion became fashion, mirroring an idea that had already breached the mainstream through the popularization - and commercialization - of the punk underground scene. The fashion industry jumped in here as well, selling a look that was not only associated with grunge, but with the drug in the scene that surely every parent, even the spawn of the counterculture, was opposed to: heroin. It was indeed a frontier in terms of marketed rebellion. But, as the coming years would show, there were still many boundaries to cross.

Already, other music genres were featuring the same pessimism and anger that had become associated with the "edginess" of grunge. In fact, with increasing frequency, bands were pushing the limits far beyond where grunge had stopped in terms of "edginess", especially when it came to pushing the demented and decadent (1,2). Other forms of boundary-pushing targeted America's culture (1,2), including the prevailing belief system (1,2). Pressing against deeper and deeper taboos, the music became so dark and angry (1,2) that, after a spate of school shootings, the boomers were finally compelled to protest the open market nature of the culture which many of their generation had once embraced (1,2,3). It remains to be seen what effect it has had but, for at least one generation, an entire decade of music on the radio featured a message of self-hatred and pessimism. Many of the singers killed themselves or died of heroin overdoses.

Gradually, the system began promoting something else that was loud and aggressive (1,2), but veering in the direction of hip-hop, a genre that had largely been associated with "minorities" and even "minority" politics up to that time. It was called nu-metal. In all likelihood, given the concurrent developments at the time, the entire objective of its endorsement was to make the whole "minority" thing cool to the rock crowd (1,2). From a commercial standpoint, this broadened the potential market. It also shifted the public towards a hip hop music genre that often lacked any real complexity, allowing new hits to be more easily produced. Thus began the mainstream's promotion of something in line with the "one-world" unicultural ideas that, in line with the trend towards globalism, most of American society had begun to push. Yet the new product scraped at the very bottom of the barrel of hyper-individualism and degeneracy, with simple-sounding beats and simple lyrics promoting the most backwards and criminal behavior imaginable. It is unclear what effect this has, or will have, on American society. On the other hand, it is hard to imagine that a society rewarding such standards will end up more advanced and productive than a society that, by contrast, encourages a man to work hard to become a high-profile individual and attract a desired wife, as per the initial, material American culture in the post-war era.

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So we went from 90s nostalgia to 2000s nostalgia.

We went from blaning millennials to blaming zoomers.

Ironically, the early 2000s was a sequel to the 90s.

>>17358

>I hate having nostalgia for a time when I was busy with nostalgia for a different time

Same here, partially because I'm an oldfag and older than the average doomer here and for me the 90's not the 2000s were great, but also because I'm Argentine and the 2000s sucked fucking ass because of the 2001 total economic collapse we had, and the political cancer that came after that.

And yet even back then I was better than now, guess because I still thought I could make it, you get me?

>>17369

>I just thought maybe I will get better and things will work out somehow

I think we all did, mostly because that what we were told: "dont worry kid things will work out in the end!".

>Now I'm having suicide fantasies everytime I think about my future just a year ahead

I have something like that except I live in a country where if you fuckup you will end up in the streets for real, just look up "cartoneros" in youtube and see for yourself. Dont you yuros get to live forever off the state? I know some guy in england who is doing that, he even had a legit job at some insurance company (low level but a decent office job still) and just fucked off and the state pays for his housing and life basically. I mean thats the reason why you guys are getting so many parasitic arabs going there, their countries are even shittier than mine but you guys give them free everything.

Point is I could literally end up like a cartonero and at that point suicide would be the only rational option, because theres no comeback from the bottom of society. And I'm not being poetic here, we literally have no social mobility here, not upwards, only downwards.

>I was far more left and empathic

Same here but I got redpilled before the term redpill was a thing, but in my defense the left here is batshit insane, even more than the one in your country, and its been like that since the early 2000s or before, not a recent occurrence. Given how Argentina was near first-world during the first 2/3rds of the last century and how it went to shit the moment it got liberal I think we are basically a window to the future of europe, tho you guys might get it worse because at least we didnt import millions of backwards stone age violent savages who literally fuck goats.

>Instead it's just mass surveillance and a pseudo-intellectual pandemic of moronic plain crazy delusions.

Well that is true, you dont have to be a doomer to see that, even some normalfags are realizing this now. Too bad they wont put down their fucking phones down for even a second.

>>17386

I think 9/11 was the end mostly for the million+ iraqis that got bombed to bits by the burgers. TBH the real fallout was that after all the antimuslim hate those assholes organized and formed the lobbies pushing for the multiculti bullshit all over the world. Seriously, follow the money, the saudis paying for new mosques is just the tip of the iceberg.

>>17391

Burger hiphop went mainstream in that age, remember eminem? 50cent? ludacris? rap was niche in the 90's and at least it had some decency, hiphop was full ghetto and commercialized as fuck and worse of all is that you burgers spread that cancer to the rest of the world. And skater culture was way bigger even before my time, back in the 80's and was huge in the early 90's.

The only thing I regret is that emo girls didn't exist here, I missed out on something didnt I?

>>17414

Look at the umman manda, the sea peoples, the german "immigration" into the roman empire. Its always been like this.

>>17424

The only way to win in afghanistan is with full chemical-biological warfare then repopulate with a different less caveman people, but had the soviets done that it could've started WW3 because "muh humanity".

>waiting for the bombs to start falling.

There wont be bombs, shit will only get worse until it implodes into a new dark ages, think the bronze age collapse or the fall of western rome, but way bigger.

>Their only options are basically nostalgia for a time they never even knew or opiates at this point.

You can always go ballistic.

>>17506

>the early 2000s was a sequel to the 90s

I wish

>>17502

very interesting analisys

>grundge

>Seattle

>heroin

yes, truly a culture of self-hate and misery. I researched this a few days earlier and was surprised how devasting it was. But you also have to understand that grundge was a Gen X thing. It was their way of rebelling against the normalfaggotry in the 80s that the boomers loved so much. Also, for the 80s, the number one drug was cocaine. It got popularised by hollywood executives, bankers and art faggots in the NY scene as the drug for the high society. Compare that to the flower power 70s and their hippie/weed culture at festivals.

>grundge getting commercialized

the funny thing is that people from that scene did not try to look chic and trendy. They bought durable and usefull clothing. For example those military type boots. People say they are indestructible. So you buy them once and never need to get new ones. But of course, greedy people jump on every new trend and try to cash out on it and retards buy the trendy crap. I think one of the reasons why Kirk O Bane shot his brains out was that he saw all this. He was one of the leading guys of a new rebellious type of music that was against everything corporate America stands for. Then those very same corporations come, take his baby and prostitute it for profits. I think this really destroyed his last hopes for the world.

>but veering in the direction of hip-hop

yes, I remember this and grew up then. Hip Hop has been around in the 80s already but it was only King Wigger Eminem who propelled the genre into mainstream populairty. He brought ghetto music into the white suburbs and suddenly the white teenagers were a market for music records, clothing and other consumerist crap.

>something in line with the "one-world" unicultural ideas that, in line with the trend towards globalism

I think it has less to do with political crap but more with neoliberal consumerism

>muh chainz

>muh dope

>muh cars

>muh bitchez

>muh sneakers

>muh sunglasses

traditional hip hop culture is all about showing off what a powerful monkey you are. It is not a coincidence that Diddy and Biggie 2 of the first big names in the game immediately started their own shoe stores and clothing brands right after getting mainstream fame. I mean, they are not even hiding anything in their lyrics. Everything is about cash and consumerism.

>with simple-sounding beats and simple lyrics promoting the most backwards and criminal behavior imaginable.

It is not only this. Have you also noticed how there has been no new revolutionary music being formed in the aftermath of it?

Every generation had its new creation. But somehow after the rise of hip hop, there is only RnB, Pop and hip hop in the radio.

>It is unclear what effect this has, or will have, on American society.

we see it already. It is the africanization of entire society. Fuck bitchez, get money, smoke dope. The ghetto is coming to us as well

>On the other hand, it is hard to imagine that a society rewarding such standards will end up more advanced and productive than a society that, by contrast, encourages a man to work hard to become a high-profile individual and attract a desired wife, as per the initial, material American culture in the post-war era.

It is not only hip hop culture promoting that get rich quick shit. Look at our elite. Do you think they work? Fuck no. Why work, when you can take a 1 trillion dollar loan from the central bank, pump it into the stock markets to boost your own portfolio worth and then at the end of the year you tell your boss at Goldman Sachs

>Sir, my portfolio went up 23% this year. I want an USD 8M Bonus

<well done boyyo, here is your check

why do honest work, when you can just speculate on the global casino gulag and make thousandfold more

>>17546

>I am Argentine

Fuck, I thought you were Jean Claude Juncker

>>17597

>>with simple-sounding beats and simple lyrics promoting the most backwards and criminal behavior imaginable.

The song, I mentioned, Stakes is High, actually called this shit out, and it triggered, to borrow modern slang, 2Pac and Biggie alike because they knew it was true.

>I'm sick of bitches shakin' asses

I'm sick of talkin' 'bout blunts, sick of Versace glasses

Sick of slang, sick of half-ass awards shows

Sick of name brand clothes

Sick of R&B bitches over bullshit tracks

Cocaine and crack, which brings sickness to blacks

Sick of swoll' head rappers with their sickening raps

>Yo, people go through pain and still don't gain

Positive contact just like my main man

Who got others cleaning up his physical and fluids

His mind got congested

He got the nine and blew it

Neighborhoods are now hoods cause nobody's neighbors

Just animals surviving with that animal behavior

Under I who be rhyming from dark to light sky

Experiments when needles and skin connect

No wonder where we live is called the projects

I'm not a fan of rap at all, as to this day I consider Soulja Boy to be the moment the West jumped the shark, but I can at least give these guys a little credit for trying to come up with something other than degenerate ghetto "gangsta" shit. Of course, guys like DLS got phased out in favor of said "gangsta" shit.

>>17557

>That's the case worldwide, honestly, in all sorts of subtle ways.

Nah man it gets worse, you can come and check it out, we aren't nearly as bad as brazil or india but we used to be way better off and now we're going in that direction……downhill

>The very concept of "civilization" itself was formed by such "guardians," if you ask me.

Yes and no, you got places like somalia which are a free for all and the result is a total shithole people die trying to escape. Like even with the ancient egyptians which had north korea-levels of state repression with the pharaoh as a living god, the alternative the places without civilization near egypt were shit and people were constantly trying to get into egypt because life there was "better" (still awful, but imagine what the other places were) which is why the egyptians were xenophobic as fuck and keep going into places like ancient libya to scare them away by killing half a generation every now and then.

>but I was referring to its sociocultural impact. After it happened, everything changed across the board.

I used to think the same but nowadays with hindsight you can see that the muslim problem in europe was already there, that the neocons and neolibs had already won back when that independent guy perot got thrown out of the presidential race in 1996 or so, and how id-politics was slowly creeping into the system. But hindsight is a bitch and we only see it when shit already happened, for example osama had already tried to destroy the wtc all the way back in 1993 but failed and yet the cia did jack shit to kill him in the 8 years after that, because even back then the saudies had the burgers and most of the west by the balls.

>The decency, I'd say, was in the "alternative" stuff

Yeah thats why I tried to differentiate things by saying rap instead of hiphop. And I'm talking very early 90's here.

>but that whole country has been suffering from PTSD since Alexander the Great if you ask me.

How so?

>isn't that fucked? All those soldiers died, and for what? So the Taliban can just waltz in like nothing happened?

Bound to happen if you ask me, the burgers should've concentrated on blackops operations against all terrorist sources everywhere including allied countries like saudi arabia, turkey and even parts of europe. Some towelhead is praising alqaida in a london mosque? bullet in the back of the head when walking through the street. Some rich saudi fuck funding terrorism from riyadh? steal bomber levels the entire block. Coverups for everything, dont take credit for shit, let the goatfuckers live in fear of being randomly killed anywhere in the world for even saying the wrong thing.

Thats how stalin got muslims under control, he even tortured imams into being snitches. Dude went all the way.

>At this point, is it wrong if I want it to start?

I think now its impossible, back then you didn't have billionaires in russia and china who didn't want the world to end because muh-money and they were communist fanatics while today they only care about getting/stealing more money. So if there's a WW3 is gonna be really limited, I even bet the only places being nuked will be non-nuclear countries by proxy, like say sweden or mexico.

>I won't be around to see it.

Leaving us soon I take?

As perhaps the best time I will ever have in my life. Then and the early 2010 imageboards. God everything fucking sucks these days. What the fuck happened?

>>17665

We got older fren,

Life got harder and the stuff we use to enjoy has been exhausted to nothingness. This is the last bit of hell we have before we grow old and die of old age.

>>17666

I'm hoping to die of alcohol poisoning first.

>>17497

the older thrashcore stuff was way better.

>>17670

The easiest way out is a gunshot to the head or a heroin overdose. But you don't want to get caught buying heroin, so the gun is the better option. These two things are so hard to get ahold of though, so no wonder many anons struggle to end it all.

>>17675

>when buying lethal drugs is easier than buying legal arms in Yuropistan

you know we can make all the fun about americans we want but they truly are free. They can run to a wall mart and get a pump action any time they want. Or they can find some stronly pigmented fellow with funny accent in some back alley and get a revolver from him. We can't even do that

>hehehehe goyim, remember you are on our tax plantation forever

>did you think you can destroy government property just like that

>too bad boyyo, now back to work

>How do you look back at the early 2000s now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpbHdIrtpNo