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File: b4fc63c1de4a400⋯.jpg (161.26 KB,800x1093,800:1093,800px-Ludwig_von_Mises.jpg)

 No.402685

Any classically liberal cuteboys on here? Who of you bois are all about that Aristotelian ontology and free market capitalism?

Keynesian cucks need not apply.

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 No.402690

File: ba7f0870245f8aa⋯.jpg (293.68 KB,1920x1080,16:9,adam smith.jpg)

Lol Mises was wank

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 No.402696

is there a meme ideology that didn't get it's own template thread yet?

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 No.402712

>>402696

>Anprim cuteboys thread

>Nazbol cuteboys thread

>ANCAP cuteboys thread

Just wait and fucking see

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 No.402720

>>402690

>Adam Smith

>laissez-faire

Faggot. The "invisible hand" was a metaphor for greedy puppet-masters.

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 No.402754

File: b2cc84983aacb4a⋯.png (328.46 KB,1000x800,5:4,1503481382002.png)

Only Ancap, only hardcore.

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 No.402756

>>402754

said the car king

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 No.402768

>>402685

Social-Liberal here.

Are there any European Federalists here too?

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 No.402769

>>402768

aka only a pretend-liberal whose definition of "liberalism" is to settle more useless wogs in Europe at expense of its taxpayers.

Feck off, statist.

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 No.402770

>>402769

>Feck off

What kind of Austrian talks like an Irishman?

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 No.402771

>>402770

high time preference comment right here

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 No.402815

File: 627867b5e1821eb⋯.jpg (157.06 KB,1457x857,1457:857,20160118_usa.jpg)

Totally free markets inevitably lead to monopolies where one company outperforms the rest and collects a majority of market share, from which forming a monopoly is easy barring state regulation. The past few centuries were arguably free/unregulated markets and we saw near total consolidation of trade by a handful of companies, oil barons, etc. Which by and large still exist today. Liberals are retards who think competition is friendly. A certain level of state regulation is necessary to ensure the less fortunate/intelligent/ruthless among us can still maintain a basic standard of living. Not that what we have today is perfect, it's a total clusterfuck of mostly private and poorly run public entities. But to remove regulations is inviting financial despotism (to a larger degree than already exists)

t. economics boi

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 No.402822

>>402815

What about Social-Liberals like me?

State intervention will be necessary, but you don't have to come up with a planned economy for this.

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 No.402825

>>402815

>t. economics boi

so a keynesian cuck who thinks he knows how to run a distributed natural system from the top down better than evolved natural systems themselves do?

>A certain level of state regulation is necessary to ensure the less fortunate/intelligent/ruthless among us can still maintain a basic standard of living

what makes you think you deserve it?

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 No.402831

File: 5188c2c6bc4bf38⋯.jpg (45 KB,600x528,25:22,exters_pyramid.jpg)

File: 95d12a7d01ced46⋯.jpg (91.92 KB,550x458,275:229,productivity2-16.jpg)

>>402825

Honestly I don't like clinging to a label because the world is a complex, dynamic place and it's important to keep a fluid perspective on things. But ultimately what matters isn't political or private ideals, but the medium of exchange within the economy & how it's created and issued. Everything else is derived from that.

Our current system is actually dominated by private, for-profit institutions (commercial & investment banks) who create money (credit) on demand and loan it at interest. Near 97% of the money supply is bank credit. So it's always funny to me when free marketers complain how the system should be more privately run when it already is. Competition really isn't a cure-all, you'll still get consolidation of power and influence over the world. That is more the 'natural state' of things.

I think the government should have the power to create/loan money at lower rates to social services in a non-profit fashion, and more speculative, entrepreneurial endeavors can continue to be serviced by banks at a more punitive rate to prevent abuse. Although frankly such abuse already occurs within our private, for profit system, but letting the government fund social services will truncate a good deal of the opportunity to extract excess profits from public services that commercial banks do currently. It's really a no-brainer, banks are just so huge and powerful they're able to keep congress out of their turf. As it stands, with the banking system around most the developed world needing ZIRP/IOER/APP (Zero Interest Rate Policy, zero rates on loans/Interest On Excess Reserves, the central bank paying them interest on reserves with freshly printed cash/Asset Purchase Program, the ECB effectively monetizing their corporate bond markets) to continue functioning, it's not long till we see some form of "QE for the people", ie helicopter money, to stimulate the economy. Or we can continue in eternal stagnation and borderline debt-deflation which just continues this 60 year trend of wealth consolidating within a fraction of the population while everyone else gets poorer from a combination of inflation and wage stagnation.

>what makes you think you deserve it?

Not so much that I deserve it, more that the system as it is (which I reiterate already is mostly free and privately operated) is totally unfair and caters to the wealthy first (banks only loan to those with collateral), as such you see financial consolidation amongst the wealthy while everyone else gets poorer. The government being able to issue loans below the market rate to social needs would be healthy and necessary competition to our current for-profit based economy.

>>402822

Indeed, government should manage (read: fund) the immediate needs of the public, healthcare, utilities, education, etc, while everyday goods, services, and innovation can be done by private business.

The problem really is the fact that funding for all things, healthcare etc comes from a for-profit initiative, when non-profit government funding can alleviate most of the social ills we're facing today.

Absolutely awesome podcast that nails this subject: https://itsourmoney.podbean.com

sign up for their newsletter: http://www.publicbankinginstitute.org/join

good layman introduction to how private bank credit is the primary cause of economic instability (from Soros' thinktank no less): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmMSmKO1U-8

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 No.402832

>>402831

meant to post this one, though they're both on the same topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr_orxK5Zqo

not to mention Adair is pretty good-lookin for an older guy.

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 No.402837

>>402831

>So it's always funny to me when free marketers complain how the system should be more privately run when it already is

Except it isn't. Just because some people aren't on the government's paycheck doesn't mean they aren't part of what constitutes as the state monopoly over the money supply. Fractional-reserve baking would never be a thing without central banking were money a mere commodity.

It is true that some people have roped in the state apparatus in some way or another to their advantage at the expense of other people but the inherent problem here is the existence of an oversized- and glorified robber band to begin with.

You mix in some rather well-established, largely non-controversial, observations in order to sell your pseudo-liberal worlview that's really just a proto-socialist one.

You also offer no explanation as to why government should fund anything to begin with other than that it comes from a for-profit initiative as if it were a bad thing or if that somehow would get in the way of certain services and or good being provided. Also, let's be real here. "Social spending" is just an elaborate way of saying you're paying brown people to breed. If you think it's a good idea to wire a part of your income to D'Shandra when she chants her battlecry "Need mo money fo dem programs" then by all means go ahead. Me however? Not so much. I'd rather spend my money to advance the research of genetically modified catboys.

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 No.402887

>>402837

I'm not exactly sure what you're arguing when you say the inherent problem is the existence of a "robber band", do you mean the government or the banking system? On the latter I'd agree, the way government operates can be changed whereas private enterprise doesn't have to answer to public opinion. Again simple competition isn't enough to prevent cabals from forming. State regulation is necessary.

I clearly have explained why government should be involved in social funding; in a nutshell our current monetary system suffers a total absence of charity, which I feel is a necessary component to any healthy society. Living in a totally usurious system inevitably transfers wealth from the poor to the rich. The government should have the ability to fund social needs in a non-profit fashion, rather than selling bonds and siphoning taxpayer money to rich, private bondholders as they do now. This doesn't mean everything goes to the family that has fifty kids, it means our infrastructure, healthcare, education etc costs would be cut in HALF compared to the extortionist fees we pay now to private banks who create said funding from thin air. We should be able to do that ourselves without any premium.

Again I repeat, the system we live in now is by and large dominated by private business, not governments. Especially considering most government funding comes from bond sales to private interests. Your argument is simply invalid. Private, for profit banks hold a perpetual lien on our development, when we should be taking that initiative ourselves. And furthermore considering the amount we'd save from not having to pay private banks usurious fees it's unlikely we'd see taxes skyrocket from what I'm discussing, the potential to save money is there just as much.

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 No.402891

>>402887

My bad, most govt revenues come from taxes, not bond sales. Bond sales make up the difference between tax revenue and fiscal deficit. But again what I'm describing (if done properly) wouldn't lead to an increase in cost to you, it would essentially circumvent the usurious banking system and transfer, not suck out, wealth from a few powerful private interests into society at large by making such obligations to ourselves and non-profit rates than to a few private entities at for-profit rates. It really is a no brainer. I'm not saying government should nationalize Apple or Amazon, it should just be allowed to compete to the private banking system for public necessities. The public bank of North Dakota (our nations only public bank) is a great microcosm of the potential present in what I'm discussing: https://www.shareable.net/blog/the-bank-of-north-dakota-reliable-financing-for-the-common-good

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 No.402906

>>402685

>classically liberal

there's already a thread for your kind >>400216

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 No.402907

>>402906

oh look, the serf wants its chains back. how progressive.

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