/co/ - Comics & Cartoons

>>1046478

Will this fix DC Comics? If not, I'm going back to bed. Wake me up when we get a decent Doctor Fate series.

>>1046484

It won't fix much if anything. Woman who lost her shit after batdick and began to restructure Black Label was a stooge from WB. What will likely happen is that more people like her will be put in decision making positions. This will end up killing some new imprints before anything relatively good has a chance to come out. Maybe animated films will be affected as well.

>>1046501

Back to bed then.

>>1046478

>shit johnston

>DIDIO ABSOLUTELY FIRED

>read article

>DIDIO MIGHT BE FIRED BUT NOT FIRED AT THIS TIME OR NEAR FUTURE AND NOT ACTUALLY FIRED IM A HUGE FAGGOT

about right for bleeding asshole

>>1046484

Nothing can fix decades upon decades of incompetence rooted throughout not only this company but the comic industry as a whole.

>>1046518

So, what's going to fix it, besides better writing?

I'm a bit of a newfag when it comes to comics, but so far, the biggest issue I can see is the archaic pricing as far as physical issues go, and the digital subscriptions seem pretty much geared towards encouraging piracy when it comes to the newest series. There's a complete oversight as far as trying to get normalfags into comics, which every company should be trying to do given the current state of the film industry, leading to a shitpile of marketing directed at niche subcultures in an attempt to virtue signal their way into notability, oftentimes blowing up in their face. The whole industry seems stuck in a bubble it can't break out of despite starting a wave of cinematic success that's LASTED OVER A FUCKING DECADE.

Again, I only came to /co/ a few months ago, so I could be spouting complete nonsense, so correct me where I'm wrong.

>>1046560

Well there really isn't a fix. The industry needs to evolve and reconfigure it's method of story telling. Let's look at manga. You wanna get into a series but where do you start? Oh the first volume. And then you go from there. You wanna read comics? Where do you start? You have no idea. No one does. Because there is no story structure in place that gives that simple cohesive direction that you need to follow a story. No one beyond the most dedicated geeks of the past would waste their time on that kind of thing. But taking such a niche hobby and pander to anyone who's not your target audience instead of working with the current audience and fixing things from there is what's been largely killing the hobby for years now.

Basically the industry is so stagnant and stubborn with how things are run that there is no true hope for it to improve without dying out completely so a new industry takes it place. Hopefully one that realizes the greatest factor to drawing in readers is a cohesive narrative of how your stories flow. Endless books of reboots, relaunches, remakes, and diversity hire replacements isn't gonna draw in new readers. It only alienates the old.

>>1046560

There's no easy fix.

>Digital pricing

Competitive pricing is iffy, and not just because nobody wants to undercut the physical market. Publishers still have to see a profit, and because Amazon and Apple still take a percentage, that has to be covered for somehow.

>Marketing

It's not entirely the industry's fault that getting people into comics has gotten so hard. The movies and TV shows actually make it worse for DC and Marvel because in comparison to the source material, they're just easier to get into no matter how poorly made they are.

>>1046570 says that the industry needs to "evolve its method of storytelling". But I don't know how that's going to work when people nowadays say they want their shit wholesale instead piece by piece but balk at paying more money

>>1046573

That's why you evolve your storytelling by not selling a piece by piece product but a graphic novel volume at a time that gives you a good bulk of the story to read till the next volume. That's better than individual floppies. And having no rushed release dates for each issue means they can spend more time crafting the volume content.

>>1046574

>>1046573

>>1046570

What if they took the Webcomic approach? Post some content digitally for free, make money off of ad-space and web-traffic, then all their "Good" comics are kept behind a basic membership subscription, then you can get membership tiers. Bronze you get to choose 5 series to get floppies mailed to you regularly, silver you get 10-20 series you get floppies for, Gold you get unlimited Floppies, and Platinum you get unlimited floppies AND a set number of graphic volume compilations, and Diamond tier you get everything.

>>1046588

Those kinds of subscription services would only work if there's an audience for the product being shipped out. There's no audience for comic books. Even webcomics are niche as fuck and only known by handfuls of groups that spread it through word of mouth. That's too small of a change to effect the industry positively.

>>1046601

Ah, so they need an audience as well as a means. Well, why don't they start up educational programs? Ship comics at a fraction of the normal price to elementary, middle, and high school libraries in order to induct kids into the hobby. A kid's word of mouth is far faster, and far more influential than an adult in this day and age. They have the time and the impressionable peers for it.

>>1046607

Well because they, especially DC, want to be taken seriously. So to them that means grimdark stories or political propaganda. Marvel is so desperate, their trades usually end up in libraries. School libraries not so much to my knowledge. But that's not making any profit to make up for the shrinking readership.

It's a situation where simply changing how you distribute the comics is only a slight fix. Putting DC comic compendiums in Walmart does sell. But it's just a compilation of stories. It's not a cohesive trade of a series. So you still are just getting tastes of this overly complicated continuity. Who wants to waste time bothering with that when there's movies that are far easier to understand?

>>1046584

Chiarello moving to Marvel or indies when? Will the shitty DC trade scheduling be fixed once and for all?

>>1046635

Shouldn't the movies be treated as a gateway element and Issue #1 of the current series assume the reader has watched those, then slowly introduce new setting elements as part of the progression?

>>1046662

No. Even if comics were accessible, the audience that loves the movies NEVER cared about the comics in the first place for numbers of reasons. The movies only attract that movie going audience. You don't win comic book readers through a completely different medium.

>>1046584

That's a shame. It's not like it's DC's art direction that's been especially lacking. And both Batman: Black & White and The New Frontier were great. So was Wednesday Comics.

>>1046666

What about Cartoons and TV Movies? Same problem?

>>1046636

>There's a Tor ban in /pol/

Smart men. If only other boards would follow. I'd kill to get rid of the posturing pirate guy on and the GIVE UP THE JEWS WON guy on /v/,

>>1046673

>I'd kill to get rid of the posturing pirate guy on and the GIVE UP THE JEWS WON guy on /v/,

as well as certain pedos on /tech/

>>1046672

Sam problem. Cartoons only get cartoon followers. TV movies or TV shows will only get followers for those. They don't boost comic sales.

>>1046708

Podcasts? Did you guys ever discuss Wolverine: the Long Night on here?

>>1046709

Now you're really reaching. No one even listens to radio plays anymore. Some poor Wolverine one isn't gonna do any favors for the comics.

>>1046835

I liked the premise, actually, and Richard Armitage voices a decent Logan.

>>1046636

>There is a Tor ban in /pol

b-but at least Imkampfy is gone, right guise?

>>1046709

That podcast now has a comic book adaptation from the same scripter

>>1046478

DiDildo should finally lose his LIFE, the fucking faggot. Anyone who doubts the righteous wisdom of my words needs only view a season of Transformers: Beast Machines.

For a second I got Bendis confused with Dildo and I was like "he got kicked out THAT FAST?"

>>1046590

Elaborate

show who's art was there and whose is now there and explain the clone saga

>>1047279

Who was the one who was hospitalised and had at least one limb amputated? I can remember us all waiting for him to kick the bucket only for him to pull through.

Anyway the next DCEU movie is not only focusing on Harley Quinn, it has "fantabulous adventures" in it's name. Let that sink in.

>>1047315

Prior to the Clone Saga, Harras was the X-Men group editor, responsible for recruiting younger artists while destroying Claremont's career. Back to and for that clusterfuck of a saga, Harras was promoted to Marvel EiC, staying for five years before moving to Wildstorm as an editor (because of Quesadilla-Jemas drama). (He also co-created a not-Captain Atom.) His last job before DC EiC was the Group Editor of DC Collected Editions.

>>1049460

Are they cost-cutting at this point while fucking over non-American comic book fans?

>>1049460

>Escaping the dwindling, stifling direct market and selling comics to normal people

Wow, only took 30 years to realise they'd made a mistake.

>>1049639

Fuck this, I loved its Batman run.

>>1049655

Really? Even with Death of the Family and Gordon becoming the new Batman?

>>1049660

Not him, but Death of the Family wasn't absolute trash, and I really like Robobat in concept.

I would say the new 52 Batman run was heavily flawed, but overall I think I liked it. Except Endgame, Endgame was fucking stupid.

>>1049702

Fair enough. I thought Court of Owls was decent. Everything after that not so much. It didn't help that all the Batman fanboys were praising this thing out the wazoo.

>>1050224

>DiDio succumbed to the moralfags

>>1050595

>Official DC news from ComicsPro that we've been given the go-ahead to talk about. - DC's cut of 10-15% has already happened. I'm assuming it was the New Age line along with a few other recent cancellations. No other books are getting cut, at least for now.

>The Walmart longer arcs will be reprinted as graphic novels that comic stores will be getting, later this year. Shorter stories will be reprinted in some upcoming 100 page specials.

>Oh, an important note I missed. The 10-15% cut to the line was to make room for the all-ages/YA graphic novels and new 100 giant series, so DC is publishing mosty the same level of content, just in different formats.

YET TO BE POSTED ON BLEEDINGCUCK

>>1050623

http://archive.fo/3UaCD

>>1050224

>DiDio acknowledged unrest regarding the comics industry right now, but asked comic book retailers not to share their complaints about DC Comics – or others – with their customers. Rather, to hold themselves to a higher standard than the fans.

Does he really think that retailers will listen to him or Marvel? Too many of them have little to no respect for the big two for appeals like that to hold any weight.

>>1047315

Are there any good write ups on "The Unholy Three"? I love reading about colossal failures like that.

>>1046478

Fake news. Wake me when something actually happens.

>>1049639

New 52 wasn't really any worse than any other period in DC comics. People tend to forget just how fucking shit things were before the reboot that they necessitated the New 52 reboot.

>>1051725

Give me a refresher, anon. Capeshit just sort of blends together over time.

Chiarello and the other laid-off employees must wait for their respective severance packages to be received before moving on to other jobs/companies. Oh when are their autobiographies come out?

>>1051731

The entire catalogue of Wonder Woman comics from about 2005-2006 onward, the utter shitshow that Superman's marriage became along with the hilariously godawful fallout from the New Krypton shitfest that Superman writers couldn't find a way to sweep under the rug so they flat-out had to pretend it never happened, Batman comics not written by Morrison basically flailing for relevance and every other character that is not the core six Justice League members being either dead or irrelevant. Granted, New 52 also fucked things up over time but it trimmed a lot of shit too. Problem is that it didn't go far enough with trimming the shit, so we ended up in this utterly fucked between a rock and a hard place situation. Then DC, not knowing any other way to "fix" things, gave us another reboot with Rebirth, pissing off the fans they gathered with the New 52 as well and gathering back a measly 10-15% of the fanbase that existed before the reboot, thus merely delaying their continued death spiral, then accelerating it again with all the braindead decisions they have made recently.

>>1051725

I started with New52 and I've heard about tons of absolute garbage happening before New52.

And anyone who thinks New52 is edgy af should look back to cringy crap like Azrael.

And after New52, it hasn't got any better. I find Heroes in Crisis absolutely terrible.

>>1051747

>I find Heroes in Crisis absolutely terrible.

Well yeah, it's penned by Tom King, who is by far the worst DC writer of the current era. Dude makes fucking Bendis look restrained and thoughtful by comparison.

>>1051735

They should have just made an Ultimate universe instead of New 52.

>>1051854

Agreed, that should have been the way from day one.

>>1051835

>Tom King

I don't know why Batman fans keep sucking this man's dick. Seriously, after reading his Batman stuff it was just pretentious dreck.