/christianity/ - Christian Theology

>>2604

why would you want smoke?

>>2610

You need it to make smoked sausages.

>>2613

im vegetarian

the second one is still the best

>>2604

pure smoke is good for preserving meat

>>2614

>im vegetarian

effeminate

>>2620

you're a sissy, eat a steak like a man

>>2604

Why did Jesus allow the murderer to go to heaven when they were pierced to the crosses then?

if works DO matter?

>>2623

If we had a chance to see his works, they would have confirmed his salvation to us.

>>2624

Which works?

He murdered people before dying that's all he did.

>>2625

I mean that any man after salvation will have good works if he isn't immediately killed.

>>2626

But if Salvation then Works is a rule why is it an exception this time?

>>2628

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9

>>2626

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9

>>2628

That isn't an exception. Where are you seeing an inconsistency?

>>2631

Well according to the pictures you posted you

need fire and smoke if it's a rule.

Murderer had only fire.

Also what do you think about Ephesians 2:9?

>>2632

The smoke is only evidence. Those pictures are consistent with sola fide.

Grace alone is what saves you. Faith is how you get that Grace. Works are an act of Faith.

>>2604

Reasonable anology OP, though kind of lacking. Great attempt though.

Works are not something found in conjunction with faith.

>smoke (works not as a result of faith that youd do anyways) and fire (faith)

Biblically they appear to be expressed as something as a result of

>fire (faith) and cooked food (works you commit to because of your faith)

At least, thats how I read it.

>>2628

The exception was explained in the post you're replying to

<if he isn't immediately killed.

>>2633

It is only consistent at the price of turning the faithful into something utterly passive after justification. This is my main gripe with the Reformation doctrine of sola fide. True we are to not trust in our own abilities so faith must be a resignation to God. Yet it cannot be as if one is just utterly passive.

Perhaps we might say there is compatabilism here but if this is so, it does not change the fact that from this framework, when someone does something, even if it is by prompting of Grace, he still does it. This is why Protestantism's biggest strength on this subject so far is in Luther and Kierkegaard. Both accept the element of negating one's abilities and resign oneself to God but as Kierkegaard shows to his advantage over Luther, faith as hoping in God's promise is filled with struggle.

>>2604

>basing your theology on images rather than the Word of God

>>4027

Where does the pic not accurately represent what the Bible says?

>>2621

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>>2614

For one believeth that he may eat all things: but he that is weak, let him eat herbs.

Let not him that eateth, despise him that eateth not: and he that eateth not, let him not judge him that eateth. For God hath taken him to him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? To his own lord he standeth or falleth. And he shall stand: for God is able to make him stand.

>>2604

>please, only argue from scripture

"And Jesus said to him, “Amen I tell you: today, you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43)

The criminal to whom Jesus said this is saved through his faith. He didn't have time for works. Therefore, we can be saved through good faith without works.

If, however, one does not strive to be a good servant of God and remains idle, then he doesn't have a good faith, he deceives himself by thinking that he has faith. He will be told: ‘You wicked and lazy servant! You understood that I reap where I did not sow, and that I gather where I did not scatter. And so, you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming, I would have received it back with interest. Therefore, take away the talent from this one, and give it to the one who has the ten talents. For to everyone who has, [more] will be given and he will have in abundance. But from the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. Throw out the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’” (Matthew 25:26-30)

"No one can lay any other foundation than the one that has [already] been laid, which is Jesus Christ. But as one builds on that foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or stubble; each person’s work will be revealed. Certainly, the Day will make it manifest, because it is revealed in fire; and the fire will test everyone’s work." (2 Cor. 3:11-13)

"You see, then, that one is justified by works, and not only by faith." (James 2:24)