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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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fe62a7  No.813240

Do any of you know the way, or some info that shows the way, to get out of the following state I'm in, and actually follow Christ?: Each day I have just meandered in selfhatred, selfanalysis, and religious/philosophical research, knowing what's wrong with me (regarding sin, virtues, etc) and why, but my will won't move. For short periods I'll start living the life I should, then cease when the inevitable pain of that (being a Christian is initially very mortifying and painful to every level of your being) life comes. Living in sin is also painful, and I detest it, my sins, and myself, but at least it's familiar and I'm used to this. How did any of you make the permanent switch in your life? To follow God and trust him no matter what happens? Or how much it'll hurt? I read hagiographies and these people all seem to have some epic conversion moment, and the will to follow through no matter what. Where do you find this will? None of this hasn't happened to me, and I honestly think I am not cut out for the long asceticcal road of salvation these days. Any help appreciated

09471d  No.813241

Learn about the Little Way by the Little Flower.

"I Believe in Love: A Personal Retreat Based on the Teaching of St. Thérèse of Lisieux" by Jean C. J. d'Elbée (Her life and path to Sainthood is a good read too)

Knowledge of self is good, but focus more of your attention on God and mediating on God's love. Also, "The Practice of the Presence of God" (Another good read)

Don't ever stop praying.


866a5d  No.813244

Exercise until your mind is empty. Better to die than to sin


cc2a75  No.813262

Don't just try not to sin. avoid the near occasion of sin. That means sacrificing doing the things that put you near sin / tempted to sin. Yes you only need to do so moderately; as much as you feel you need to.


4d0250  No.813292

>>813240

Put on Christ, don't do self-analysis. There's nothing good in the self to analyze, the whole thing is just a bad Freudian meme (Freud was an atheist and a weirdo, don't trust anything he spawned). The reason is that you are a natural creature, so within you is nothing but the lusts, passions and nastiness that helps you to survive in a Hobbesian state of nature. Remember that Jesus said, a man is not made unclean by what he puts in himself, but what comes out of himself, which are sins.

The solution is to put on Christ; Christ is not natural, Christ is a garment, a hair shirt (at first) but overtime as you are habituated to it, it becomes easier. The easiest way is not to wallow in self-analysis; the easiest way to put on Christ is to go outside, and take an interest in other people. The entire goal of life is to come out of yourself, and be a light to other people. Saintliness is not a thing you can be granted, it's more of a thing one does (so I've come to understand).

Also, it is pernicious to have sinful habits which activate only at home, but any time you fall, just take it as a reminder to distrust yourself, and trust God. If you peer too deeply into yourself, you'll just see a lot of devils. So don't do that, just constantly ask "what should I be doing?" Try to avoid questions like "why am I not doing what I should be?" because then you're chasing your devils and looking for answers from devils. The devils will never speak the truth to you, they will just lead you into their traps and give you 3 more problems for every one that they claim to fix.

If you need strength, pray for it. The best prayer is the following snippet from Matthew 16; just say, or mentally call to mind the phrase, "Thy will be done, O Lord" especially when you have to step up to the plate and do something painful or difficult to right a wrong.


4d0250  No.813294

>>813240

I should clarify; my argument against self-analysis is that there is nothing in the self other than creaturely desires, which are the precursors of sin present in our fallen nature, even when we imagine that we have got rid of them.

Freud was a weirdo and an atheist, but my argument is above, not this ad hominem, which I shouldn't have mentioned, since it is not an argument. It's just my opinion of a man who continued to smoke cigars, even despite how phallic he made them out to be.




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