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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

804079  No.810516

I know that it's bullshit and heresy, but I wanted to ask what exactly it is? Is it a sect or a cult? Or is just every racist version of christianity Christian Identity? For example Deutsche Christen in the Third Reich.

If the question doesn't belong here, please delete it. I just want to know, and don't know where to ask.

1ad332  No.810519

From occasional CI troll posts here, I got that they claim that the covenant is only for God's chosen people and that would be germans/anglos/generic whites. Similar to those weird black israelites.

On an unrelated note, I think nazi positive "Christianity" is different from Christian Identity.


8f8e80  No.810541

>>810519

Positive Christianity is not Christianity, plain and simple. They don't believe in the Apostles Creed, or that Christ was the son of God.


b2cfcb  No.810543

Christian Identitarians are the White version of Black Israelites. Originally an offshoot of British Israelism (which is philosemitic and not anti-semitic). The main difference between CI and Brit Israel from Black Hebrews is that the former is really more of a historical society cargo cult while the latter is more a particular group of churches. There is no broad church of CIs or Brit Israelis, they just latch onto whatever church is most receptive.

Positive Christianity is not CI, in fact CI was outright rejected by Nazis. CI claims whites are the true Israelites, and the others are Edomites or some other nonsense (never take a group of people seriously when they assert as dogma particular genealogy from the Bible). Positive Christianity was an attempt to reconcile the semitic history of Christianity with the popular tenets of the NSDAP, which was based in part on an offshoot version of Nietzscheanism. Basically, it was a way to put down the Jews, elevate the German, and push subtly away from Christianity and into more pagan influences without rocking the boat. The modern inheritor of Positive Christianity is unironic Esoteric Hitlerism, which basically goes to say that Hitler was the true messiah, the mantle of Thor or Odin, and that he lives on. CI is it's own flavor of wacky unrelated to this.


fc19d4  No.810544

>>810516

Christian identity is an offshoot of British Israelism i.e WE WUZ JEWS AN SHIET for white people. Altought, unlike black Israelism which is concidered a fringe loonatic sect, BI was very mainstream in the Anglosphere until very recently. Christian identity just takes things further with the anti-semitism and stuff.

Positive Christianity was Rosenberg's embarrassing attempt to create a new religion that would trick Christians to become pagans. This is what happens when LARPagans literally believe in their own memes that religions are created in laboratories by Jews to be used as psyops in warfare.


8f8e80  No.810547

>>810541

That being said, perhaps I should answer OP's question. It takes Creation literally, and says that the negroid and mongoloid races were made first, and are included in the "beasts of the earth" line of Genesis. Adam is then created as the first white man (citing as evidence his name has the colour association red, and this somehow means he was red of face, that blood showed through it, a trait only white people have).

They believe the lost tribes are who populated Europe. This was not always seen as an antisemitic sentiment, for when the belief of one of the lost tribes moving to England sprouted in the 1800s, it was not seen as antisemitic (see British Israelism).

They also believe that Noah landing on Mount Ararat in the Caucasus is proof that Noah and therefore his ancestors were white, as the caucasioid peoples come from the Caucasus.


a37e7b  No.810567

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>>810516

The Israelites being White isn't what makes CI heretical. The old Catholic Church always acknowledged and depicted Jesus as White. Also Positive Christianity isn't CI.


fc19d4  No.810575

>>810567

Nobody depicted Jesus as white, whiteness as a racial distinction didn't exist back then and Jesus wouldn't be considered white by those who came up with the concept.


a37e7b  No.810577

>>810567

>whiteness as a racial distinction didn't exist back then

Fair enough but He wasn't that brown deformed caveman the antichrist kikes shill.


981a98  No.810581

>>810567

Apostolic Christianity tends to depict Him as the local phenotype, from super pasty, to ethiopian.

The closest "neutral" depiction is some olived skinned med.

Which is accurate, but whether it meets the wildly different definitions of white is irrelevant.


cbe483  No.810605

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>>810516

CI folk want to replace modern jews as the #1 race idolaters.

>muh whites are the chosen people/master race

>only whites can be saved

>anyone not white is ebil and condemed to hell

>thats right!

Fun fact:

Howard Rand, founder of CI, was a prohibitionist.


fc19d4  No.810657

>>810577

That recreation image which is shared a lot by antichristians was made by an Israeli to mock Christ, the real Christ looked like in the iconography. My objection was that Christ would never be considered white by those who care about that stuff in the first place.

On another, semi related note, the creation of the white identity is very much related with British Israelism from which Christian Identity derived from.


aabb52  No.810663

>>810657

>That recreation image which is shared a lot by antichristians was made by an Israeli to mock Christ, the real Christ looked like in the iconography.

It was a composite image made by merging a dozen 1st century skulls from the area, and the artist building off that..

Which is as useful as reconstructing Putin off some random dead people you found in a russian cemetery.

But yeah, the byzantine icons are the closest thing we will get to His face, given they are based off older icons from Christian Antiquity..




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