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>>809821

Screw off lad, Ive never acted out these sexual desires with another man. If a baby killing roastie can be saved by genuine repetance then little old alcoholic faggot me can too. Ive had homosexual urges since I was like 9, and had crushes on boys instead of girls. I can repress this, I can turn away from lust just like a straight person, I can embrace celibacy. Romans 1:24-32 is talking stout a specific scenario and in no way declares that all homosexuals are reprobates, and pastor stephen anderson is an uneducated hack who is an embarrassment to independent baptist preachers. He curses worse than me and Im a degenerate drunkard. Saul killed countless christians, repented, and was saved, and I'm supposed to believe that just because I could get aroused by looking at attractive men I'm predestined to be damned because of two cherrypicked verses(26&27) by some autistic arizona hick even if I turn away from my desires and devote my life to God? Sins that I made at 9 years old can damn me no matter how I repent? I doubt it. In fact i out right dont believe it. Besides, reprobates don't repent, they dont even want to repent. The simple inclination to repent disproves that all homosexuals are reprobates.

>>809826

>lying

That isnt an argument, romans 1:26 - 1:27 is talking about a specific scenario with ancient pagan worshippers, as is the rest of romans 1. This is the truth, this is simple, this is well founded, do the research. Ive talked to very, very fundamentalist independent baptist preachers about stephen anderson in recent months as Ive been trying to get my life back on track, and they all have shed told me the same thing and repeatedly disproven the idea that all gays are reprobates. You also never even touched on the statement I made about my 9 year old self. At 9, at 9 years old I experienced same sex attraction. By your logic, a sin i made as a 9 year old with less than half of a functioning adult mind has damned me forever. The specific sermon from pastor anderson you are parroting is exactly what drove me away in the first place. I was doing everything right, I wasnt even touching my dick, i wasnt afflicted by constant sexual thoughts, I was sober, I had full faith in God, and yet as an impressionable 16-17 year old, the seed of doubt was sown when i was told by this wolf in sheeps clothing that simply having a homosexual thought damns you for all erernity, even if you have complete faith in christ. It us extremely alienating, especially in an era where fag propoganda is everywhere and more and more young men and women are tricked into lesbian and trap porn by the kikes at the top. A lot of those people know what they are doing is wrong and probably didnt start out gay from childhood, but were tricked into it by hook nosed rats, and telling them there is no hope even if they drop all, repent, and have complete faith in God, is only going to push them further down the rabbit hole of faggotry and away from the light of Christ. Stop having some room temperature IQ manlet in Tempe Arizona(who couldnt even graduate Bible college) read the bible for you and crack one open for yourself, do the research, find out the context of each verse, and pray to God. Also thank you for your posts because now i am getting a game plan in mind for piecing my own sinful lufe together, God willing.

i think anderson was after his time lads

>>809820

First and foremost: Ignore what Baptists (and every other Protestant Heretic) say

Prepare yourself to go to a Church nearby (make sure its not too modernist - modernist masses are bad since they don't do anything to make the presence of the Almighty known).

Pray for forgiveness, maybe do self-imposed penance of some sort.

Hope that God leads the way.

Christ be with you, let us pray for one another.

Stop drinking. Stop fornicating. Try to pray. Try to attend Church, any of them. Whatever circle of friends you have, now is the time to slowly fade from them. It will be hard and lonely, I'm not sure what your family is like, but if they arent Christian it will be even harder and lonelier.

You are never beyond redemption, so long as you repent and pray. That is not a meaningless platitude. How truly awful and miserable you feel, no matter how much you want to believe that will never make you irredeemable. God still loves you, and He will always love you, and He will always bear the weight of your sins so long as you give them up. Always remember that Judas dammed himself through despair, and not through his treachery and killing of Christ Himself. To suffer for Christ is to be a Christian and you are never alone brother, so be glad that you are being tested with all of us.

You're young still. I can't know what it is that tripped you, but the lesson you should learn from it is to always have a plan b, c, and d and make preparations for each accordingly. It sounds like you live with bad friends who led you down this bad path. If your parents are good Christians, beg and plea to go back. If they aren't, start looking into better living situations. Whatever form that may be. If that means living alone, then that is your new mid-to-long term goal. As for your friends, I don't think there is anything you can really say to change their minds. You are human and prone to error, minimize your time around them, but if they come to you in need be there for them. By doing can you ever convince someone. Unless it is actively harming you, it doesn't matter if they are abusing your kindness.

You walked yourself deeper into hell, but through Christ can you crawl out. Simply doing nothing is an improvement over sinning. Delete your porn folder, pour out your alcohol and change focus any time you are tempted. If someone is tempting you, get away from them. If you can't, dont get angry with them, but just passively and calmly reject it. That is the hardest type of resisting but it is what it is. Avoid flirtation. Go out and get some healthy hobbies, get away from the internet altogether. The sun is good for you and will help you think clearly and the hobby will distract you from the sin in a productive manner. I myself am guilty of failing at ALL of this, and I am working my way back up again. You are never alone.

As for the homosexuality, that is between you and God. Some struggle so greatly they must confess it and deal with it that way. I cannot know what you struggle with, but I too struggle with intrusive thoughts of every variety. I struggle to look other men in the eye at times because there is a voice that always tempts me. In my case, it seems more like tourettes than a long burning passion. Nonetheless, whenever I am tempted I don't dig in and reject it. I accept that I am being tempted, that I want in a way to sin. I pray the Jesus prayer ("Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner") with heart, and turn my mind away from the thought itself. Sin is very casual and quiet. The best way to resist is by being meek and passive. It is like an insidious firebrand, a sociopathic manipulator. It will come to you as a friend, relaxed and enjoyable. But the moment you take any stance, instantly everything you say is wrong and he is right and there is nothing you can say that will ever prove him wrong. So instead of taking a stand and falling into worse sins, just as casually and quietly as he approached you should you casually and quietly walk away. If you give sin neither ammo nor target, it will just shoot itself.

God bless you anon, and always remember God is with you and begome Orthodogs.

I will

>>809837

Feel free to ignore this one op

I was in a very similar situation… Stimulant addiction is a real doozy. I stumbled around with some vague non-denominational Christianity for a while, but things really changed when I started praying the rosary. I quit abusing drugs by the grace of God and joined the Catholic Church not long after, and since then God has given me a whole string of incredible graces to leave my sexual sins behind for good. If you knew how deeply these sins were rooted, you'd be amazed at how quickly they were torn up.

Give the rosary a try! I think you'll be surprised. Praying for you, OP.

>>809820

Well, I really hope I don't fall into lukewarmness, that sounds awful.

Some bits that stand out;

>I'm a functional screw up

This is why you should never have trusted the world in the first place, and instead placed all your trust in God. Insecurity and worldliness dance cheek-to-cheek through life because in case you haven't noticed yet, the world is full of deeply tyrannical individuals, who resort to psychological abuse to sustain their own self-importance. This is as natural a fact as sin-nature itself because they are one and the same thing. Turn away from the world, and place all your hopes on God and heaven and you will not be perturbed by peoples' evil, which pales into insignificance compared to the love of God.

>Premarital sex, alcoholism

I know many people who wonder why they do these things, though doing so gives them no peace and abundant headaches, and sometimes causes unwanted fatherhood. Fortunately for you, you actually have first hand experience of how great not doing these destructive behaviours felt, but you need faith in order to stop. Without faith and hope in heaven, we do stupid things because we fear 'missing out' on 'life.' The best solution the people on this planet have come up with for this fear, is to ruin their health, shorten their lives, and contract venereal diseases. Don't ask me why this is the way it works, it just is.

>Gay furry porn

Delete it all, and you will feel much better. Anon, that's disgusting, and it makes me feel like you're trolling, but that's not my problem.

I use to be just like you mate. I was a total pill addicted trainwreck when i was 19. What saved me was meeting my wife. Im still an alcoholic, have been for 10 years now. Its the main thing i struggle with, but i dropped all my other bad habbits for her and our future. We now have 2 kids and ive never felt better about life.

I guess what im saying is find a woman and build something with her, it might give you a reason to return to God, it did for me.

It's funny to me how the only guy who was quoting actual Scripture on here apparently got deleted. Reminds me of those other times I've seen posts of scripture and the word of God be deleted and all the self-righteous pontificators be left alone. We'll see who's justified in the end.

>>809896

>Anon, that's disgusting, and it makes me feel like you're trolling

Here's a question for you, why is it that we keep seeing threads specifically about sodomites being created where, in pretty much every post they make, they just keep continuing in going into great detail about their sinful ways? It's because they are coming to this place to drag you down. Through whatever convenient lies they can design, to tempt you into a perpetual conversation of filth, which is itself a sin. Open your eyes and be not deceived.

Ephesians 5:11-12

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

>>809937

>because people that quote scripture can never be wrong

People that rely on man can never be right. See Psalm 118:8.

>Any prot can bend the scripture to whatever agenda they wish, doesn't make them right.

But yet the scripture in its inspiration is still right. And I don't see anyone else taking a stand for it here, only those arguing against it. I wouldn't have to point out this shameful fact otherwise. Only people here are advocating for their own personal words and positions. They're laid aside the commandment of God to follow their own ways. The ways that seem right to them which is why there is no scripture to back them up.

I have to do things God's way. The intent doesn't matter if done the wrong way. And you're doing it wrong by leaving out the real solution which is God's word. And if you have a problem with that then you have a problem with what scripture says. You can't just do things your way and expect it to work. See the example of Cain. To hearken and obey is better than sacrifice.

So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. (Romans 10:17)

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. (1 Peter 1:23)

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. (Proverbs 30:5-6)

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (John 6:63)

And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. (Luke 4:4)

I used to fornicate and today may be the first day I've been alone for six hours and not masturbated in many years. I credit my redemption to my Lord Jesus, and also my new wife, I started going to church for her because she was never a Christian but I needed to show her the Lord I would serve so she could trust me.

>>809932

>Here's a question for you, why is it that we keep seeing threads specifically about sodomites being created where, in pretty much every post they make, they just keep continuing in going into great detail about their sinful ways?

Lots of straight guys regularly post about trying to stop masturbating and looking at porn and being unable to. That doesn't make straight guys beyond salvation though. The same applies to gay guys who sin compulsively.

>>809820

If you haven't touched kids, I won't call you irredeemable just yet.

>OP pours his soul into this confession and the thread immediately turns to

>catholics arguing against prots quoting scripture

>anons saying "just find a woman"

>just pray to Mary

look >>809820 what you need is to trust in Christs promises of forgivenness.

1 John 1:9 – If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Hebrews 8:12 – For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.

Romans 5:8 – But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Luke 23:34 – As he hung on the cross – “And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”

1 Peter 5:7 – Let him have all your worries and cares, for he is always thinking about you and watching everything that concerns you.

2 Corinthians 12:9 – Each time he said, “My grace is all you need. My power works best in weakness.” So now I am glad to boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ can work through me.

Proverbs 3:5-6 – Trust in the Lord with all your heart; do not depend on your own understanding. Seek his will in all you do, and he will show you which path to take

>>810023

Thats only because you're a thin skinned retard. Say something full of wisdom from a crack den? Oh wait you cant

Well anon, I don't care to read what everybody else is saying since by the first post in this thread it sounds like they're being dicks.

I will pray for you anon. I used to be in a similar position to you.

>started forgoing sleep to have premarital sex with disgusting thots and stay up under the influence of various substances. I'm a functional screw up. I am addicted to sex, I like both men and women despite being myself a man, yet I abstain from sex with men through some grace of God.

>Never had gay furry porn on my comp. But I'm pretty sure I used to wank to awful awful shit like that.

>Complete degenerate myself

>Pretty sure I had slight alcoholism myself.

Though it was one night in an alcoholic stupor I got home and all of the sins that I've done in me like a truck. I dropped to my knees in tears and started praying for forgiveness to the Lord. Two days later I went to Church for the first time ever. Three months after that I was baptized into the Catholic faith.

Since then all my homosexual/full on degenerate fetish urges are gone. I find them completely vile and am absolutely disgusted I used to do that. I have given up masturbation and live chastely and alcoholism is not a problem any more. I still drink socially without the urge to fall into the habit again.

I say this all to tell you to not give up. Let the fact that you are making this thread remind you that the Lord is calling you back to Him. He wants you to begin your relationship with Him a new. When you truly come to know the Lord again all these crux's you have now will be crap in comparison. The reason we fall into these crux's is because we lack the relationship with God. God is the only thing that can fill this hole. Filling it with temporary moments of satisfaction of the flesh, via drugs, alcohol, sex or masturbation is just a cheap fix that leaves us worse and worse.

I will pray for you anon, you are much like me. By the grace of God I've crawled out of that shithole. Its taken me three years and theres still much to do. But I've come a great distance thanks to the Holy Spirit. My recommendation, I believe a lot of the advice is good in this thread. However I believe it is too heavy for you to begin with.

My advice is to spend atleast 5 minutes a day praying to the Lord. Thank Him for all the good things in your day, ask Him to help you come closer to Him once again, ask forgiveness for the sins you commit through the day. And remember that He loves you, you are His son despite any act you have committed.

Go read the prodigal son parable. It should speak to you. The Lord is calling you back, as you go to sleep, pray to Him as you go to sleep. It doesn't matter what you say, talk about your day, whatever. What parent does not love talking to their child? God loves you anon, let Him help you through this. God bless you.

>>809820

I'm praying for you lad.

>>810022

/\ This. As long as you have deep sincere faith in Jesus and repent, you are never too far gone. Just a mustard seed of faith can move moutains, how much more little can our Lord work with to save you? Praying for you OP.

>>809857

>fast for a minimum of 3 days. You are in spiritual warfare over your body. You have to make it submit to you. Think of the fast a siege warfare. Cutting off the food supply to the spirit(s) in your body making them starve to the point of submission.

I'm sorry, but from personal experience, the whole "fasting is effective against lust, because lust is directly connected to the physical appetite of the stomach" is a bunch of superstitious nonsense. I did not start to gain ground on my own lust issues until I started saying simple, direct, and sincere from the heart prayers to Jesus himself (this, after quitting prayers to Saints, Mary, super long readings of the Typica, robotic repetitions of the Jesus Prayer, scripted prayers from a prayer book, the aforementioned fasting, and all the other Cathodox rigmarole.)

>>809932

The OP may be trolling, but I refuse to judge, and tbh if he has come back and spewed more intimate details, I haven't read them. As if I have the time to read a whole thread

>>810076

This, devotions to the saints had a purpose at one point in my spiritual development, and with any luck they will again in the future. But to take someone out of the coarseness of the world for the first time, there is only one name to invoke.

>>809820

>>809825

>>809829

Demons have a habit of targeting the most pure followers of God, I'll pray for you and hope that you will be back onto God's path.

>>810076

Thats because you've been doing it wrong, heretic.

>>810102

LOL

>Go through Cathodox dog and pony show. Lust is not cured.

>Abandon all that claptrap, and just pray directly to Jesus: get cured.

<You're a heretic who's doing it wrong!

If you pray to Jesus directly, and get good results, you're doing it wrong. This is what Cathodox actually believe.

>>810135

LOL

>Go through protestant mental gymnastics and worship every heresy under the sun and lust not cured

>abandon all that idolatry and pray the rosary christians have been praying for hundreds of years and lust and drug addiction cured

<you're the heretic thats doing it wrong

Praying to the saints is praying to Jesus for they are all in the body of Jesus. Read your bible, bub.

>>810139

>Literally "NO U!"/"NO ME!" the post.

>abandon all that idolatry

<We're reaching levels of projection that shouldn't be possible!

>Praying to the saints is praying to Jesus for they are all in the body of Jesus. Read your Catechism, bub.

Fix'd.

>>810142

>le (((projection))) meme

Thanks for playing. Now read your bible and abandon your idolatry.

>>810143

I spoke to a Jew and they said that the New Testament isn't scripture. I should listen to them like Luther-san did right? Jew-kun would never lie to me!

Reminder that Protestanism is a Jewish religion. You know even Ben Shapiro likes Protestanism more. He said "ohh European Christianity (Catholicism) that was different, American Christianity is better".

>>810077

It's not just trolling, it's making others sin, and I've been seeing these "sodomite bait threads" being made on here for years. I've appealed many times to the mods to disallow these. They're too busy deleting scripture posts.

People to want to hear things that gratify their sense of what SEEMS right, and that's exactly what these bait threads were designed to latch on to. What's worse is when the one light of reason then gets trampled out due to mods' personal vanities and self-absorbed conceit. The reason it's so disturbing is just the level of complete disregard for scripture. Its like they've been conditioned even to treat and disdain it as a common thing. But when someone says their idol that might have been scribbled by someone in MS paint isn't literally God in picture form, then someone gets upset. It just encapsulates the total perversion of justice on here.

>>810102

>>810139

>>810143

>>810146

>Sometime between 31-33 AD.

>Jesus heals a man on the Sabbath.

>Instead of being happy for the healed man, the Pharisees complain indignantly about him not doing it the proper way (i.e. not on the Sabbath.)

>2019 AD

>Jesus heals a man from lust without sacraments, prayers to Mary or the Saints, Rosaries, Prayer Ropes, Penance, Super long prayers, Fasting, Eucharist, etc.

>Instead of being happy for the healed man, the Cathodox complain indignantly about him not doing it the proper way (i.e. all the aforementioned razzle dazzle.)

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

>>810155

It's more like a port waltzes in telling people that techniques that do work are just superstition. The same techniques Jesus the apostles and the early Christians have been doing for thousands of years, all boiled down to Mere Superstition because muh Sola scriptura. If you could beat your addictions without meditative prayer for fasting then more power to you, but clearly calling upon the name of Jesus Christ only doesn't work for some people. For not everyone that says Lord Lord will be granted admission to heaven.

>>810504

I can understand fasting in other cases and contexts, such as the specific case of hardcore demonic possession that proceeded Mark 9:21 and Matthew 17:21. But the concept of beating lust through fasting, because eating food literally causes lust, as conveyed in "The Latter of Divine Ascent", sounds like something out of some medieval book of old wive's tales or like the Humoral theory of medicine that lasted into the 1800s. Now, I could understand fasting to increase one's faith in Christ, but fasting with the mentality of "My lust is directly connected to my stomach, so if I starve myself, I'll stop lusting!" puts one in a dubious mindset: working of the flesh rather than the Spirit.

As for everything else, It's ultimately just a bunch of extra hoops to jump through to supposedly even get a shot at Jesus. Throughout the NT are examples of Jesus either directly healing through touch, word, or through the mere faith of the afflicted. Paul's holy napkin being a sign for those who doubted Paul's legitimacy as an apostle. Other than that, there's no indication that one must go through extra spiritual intercessors, use prayer ropes, etc. to reach Jesus.

You're right that praying to Jesus alone might not be enough, and may need to be supplemented by something grounded like a sex addicts support group, in the same way Jesus might choose to work through doctors to cure cancer rather than just zap it away, but on a spiritual level, Jesus is enough.

Also, using the "For not everyone that says 'Lord Lord…" verse from Matthew 7:21 in application to efficacy of calling upon God alone for healing is an eisegesis of that verse. It's context is in relation to those who are Christians in name only/talk the talk but don't walk the walk. You can be a great Christian and still not get the healing you want. Even Paul affirms this in 2 Corinthians 12: 5-10

>>809820

First off OP, no one who is sincerely repentant is irredeemable. Trust in God's faithful never failing promise to forgive all who turn back to him. Run back into the arms of the Father like the Prodigal Son. Go back to basics:

> I read the Bible every day, I prayed with my whole heart, I was chaste, I didnt drink.

Get up with a church. If possible get up with support groups for those who are alcoholic and sex addicted (preferably Christian.) I'm praying for you OP.

>>810569

>Latter

*Ladder*

>>810155

>this post

Why did Jesus institute a Church and Sacraments if "muh personal relationship" was sufficient to get all grace?

>>810613

Aye. How did the Church get transformed into a labyrinthine complicated works based salvation system like every other religion on the face of the Earth, when the gospel used to be simple enough to not require months or years of catechism (or a catechismal book that hardly anyone reads) before baptism? Very good question indeed. It's as if making something as amorphous and ever-changing as Tradition, on the same level of scripture, has long-term consequences that are just as bad as poorly exegeted scripture (especially when said Tradition is utilized to perform eisegesis on scripture in order to rationalize said Tradition.)