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>>807680

You should know that your "masses" are idolatry. Read the Bible for once.

<B-B-BUT MUH TRADITION! MUH CHURCH FATHERS REEEEE!!!!!

If everyone else can see it but you (because we read the Bible) then clearly it's you who has the problem.

Just follow what others are doing.

>>807680

Don't try to take the Eucharist into your hand when the priest is giving Communion. I have literally seen NOrmies at traditional masses trying to do this before and even trying to argue with the priest when he refuses.

>>807698

>I have literally seen NOrmies at traditional masses trying to do this before and even trying to argue with the priest when he refuses.

Well, strictly speaking, the NOrmies are right. The Holy See has approved both forms and the General Instruction of the Roman Missal affirms that the decision should be made to the person receiving communion, not the individual giving it.

>>807698

If the priest refuses to give the Eucharist in the hand, then you're not at a Catholic Mass. You're probably at some farcical SSPX "mass". Run fast and far away.

>>807709

>>807713

>having such little respect for the body of the Lord of Lords

>>807718

Christ himself gave of his body in the hand of the Apostles. Do you have so little respect for our King?

>>807713

The priest alone guards the chalice and has the right to excommunicate anyone he pleases for whatever reason. No one has the authority to override his decision. He is accountable only to God in this regard and will have to make this account as to why he excommunicated the just and/or allowed the wicked to have a sacrilegious communion

>>807680

Have a nice time going to the traditional christian mass!

>>807736

A parish priest cannot excommunicate anyone.

>>807680

Learn how to kneel because you'll be doing that the most of the time. Also, you won't be able to hear the priest, pray the rosary throughout the mass. The old mass didn't really care for the 'participation' of the faithful.

>>807680

Protip: monkey see, monkey do.

Kneel when others kneel, stand when others stand, use a missal (it has the translations of the prayers next to it) and communion is on the tongue while kneeling.

>>807713

You can't actually believe this, can you? The Latin Mass does not do Communion in the hand, period. The Church does not even officially approve of Communion in the hand, it only tolerates it. The apostate ultra-liberal bishops who pushed through Communion in the hand /literally/ forged mail-in "absentee ballots" in order to get it approved.

>Origen (185-232 A.D.): "You who are wont to assist at the divine Mysteries, know how, when you receive the body of the Lord, you take reverent care, lest any particle of it should fall to the ground and a portion of the consecrated gift (consecrati muneris) escape you. You consider it a crime, and rightly so, if any particle thereof fell down through negligence."

It's impossible for people to receive Communion in the hand without Sacred Particles being dropped on the ground.

>Council of Trent: "To omit nothing doctrinal on so important a subject, we now come to speak of the minister of the Sacrament, a point, however, on which scarcely anyone is ignorant. The pastor then will teach, that to priests alone has been given power to consecrate and administer the Holy Eucharist. That the unvarying practice of the Church has also been, that the faithful receive the Sacrament from the hand of the priest, and that the priest communicate himself, has been explained by the Council of Trent; and the same holy Council has shown that this practice is always to be scrupulously adhered to, stamped, as it is, with the authoritative impress of Apostolic tradition, and sanctioned by the illustrious example of our Lord himself, who, with His own hands, consecrated and gave to His disciples, His most sacred body. To consult as much as possible, for the dignity of this so August a Sacrament, not only is its administration confided exclusively to the priestly order; but the Church has also, by an express law, prohibited any but those who are consecrated to religion, unless in case of necessity, to touch the sacred vessels, the linen or other immediate necessaries for consecration. Priest and people may hence learn, what piety and holiness they should possess who consecrate, administer, or receive the Holy of Holies." (Council of Trent, Session 13, Chapter 8)

Eucharistic ministers are heretical. Not receiving from the hand of the priest is heretical.

And for the record, this was an FSSP mass.

>>807746

> Also, you won't be able to hear the priest, pray the rosary throughout the mass. The old mass didn't really care for the 'participation' of the faithful.

This is bad advice and also wrong. You're supposed to follow what is happening at the altar and say all the prayers along with the priest (silently, not out loud). This is what Pope St. Pius X said, not my opinion.

>>807742

Yes he can, by denying communion he is excommunicating someone. Either that person or himself. A priest who denies communion to a mortal sinner excommunicates him. A priest who denies communion to a justified catholic excommunicates himself.

>>807782

>You're supposed to follow what is happening at the altar

You're not 'supposed' to do that, you can if you want, but it's better to just focus on prayer.

>say all the prayers along with the priest (silently, not out loud)

lol what? No, that is plain shenanigans. Never heard anyone do that, there's always total silence during mass. The priest is offering the mass, not you.

>>808050

> it's better to just focus on prayer.

That's your (wrong) opinion, now let's see what Pope St. Pius X said:

>If you wish to hear Mass as it should be heard, you must follow with eye, heart, and mouth all that happens at the altar. Further, you must pray with the Priest the holy words said by him in the Name of Christ and which Christ says by him. You have to associate your heart with the holy feelings which are contained in these words and in this manner you ought to follow all that happens at the altar. When acting in this way you have prayed the Holy Mass.

So stop telling people to say unrelated prayers during mass. That obviously doesn't make the mass unefficacious for you or anything but it is a bad way to attend mass.

>>808050

>lol what? No, that is plain shenanigans. Never heard anyone do that, there's always total silence during mass. The priest is offering the mass, not you.

You literally quoted me saying "silently, not out loud."

>>807780

"And, lo, the Apostles did spitteth the bread into each other's mouths so as not to defilest thine holy body by touching it with their hands." - nowhere in the Bible.

>>808060

Go away Bible idolater.

>>807721

2 Thessalonians 2:15

So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

>>807721

I would like to add, no where in the bible does it say to treat the bible like a manifesto or legal doccument, however in multiple areas we see the bible saying to follow the traditions you were taught. Sola scriptura quite litterally is unbiblical, no where in the bible does it say to only trust the bible.