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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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873389  No.805539

I am about to return to the faith brothers. I have read the Bible and also try to go to Mass regularly. But I have some doubts when I look around and see the state of the West. I have the feeling we do not encourage fighting anymore, or any heroic virtues. The Pope tells us that we have to welcome refugees. Please, please convince that this is not the case. I saw these quotes from the Church Fathers in another thread and they really make me doubt now:

Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus

>But, inhabiting Greek as well as barbarian cities, according as the lot of each of them has determined, and following the customs of the natives in respect to clothing, food, and the rest of their ordinary conduct, they display to us their wonderful and confessedly striking method of life. They dwell in their own countries, but simply as sojourners. As citizens, they share in all things with others, and yet endure all things as if foreigners. Every foreign land is to them as their native country, and every land of their birth as a land of strangers. They marry, as do all [others]; they beget children; but they do not destroy their offspring. They have a common table, but not a common bed. They are in the flesh, but they do not live after the flesh. 2 Corinthians 10:3 They pass their days on earth, but they are citizens of heaven. Philippians 3:20 They obey the prescribed laws, and at the same time surpass the laws by their lives. They love all men, and are persecuted by all. They are unknown and condemned; they are put to death, and restored to life. 2 Corinthians 6:9 They are poor, yet make many rich; 2 Corinthians 6:10 they are in lack of all things, and yet abound in all; they are dishonoured, and yet in their very dishonour are glorified. They are evil spoken of, and yet are justified; they are reviled, and bless; 2 Corinthians 4:12 they are insulted, and repay the insult with honour; they do good, yet are punished as evil-doers. When punished, they rejoice as if quickened into life; they are assailed by the Jews as foreigners, and are persecuted by the Greeks; yet those who hate them are unable to assign any reason for their hatred.

Tertullian, Of the Soldier’s Crown, Chapter 11:

>when a man has become a believer, and faith has been sealed, there must be either an immediate abandonment of it [military service], which has been the course with many; or all sorts of quibbling will have to be resorted to in order to avoid offending God, and that is not allowed even outside of military service; or, last of all, for God the fate must be endured which a citizen-faith has been no less ready to accept.Neither does military service hold out escape from punishment of sins, or exemption from martyrdom.

Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 110

>us the Christians, who, having learned the true worship of God from the law, and the word which went forth from Jerusalem by means of the apostles of Jesus, have fled for safety to the God of Jacob and God of Israel; and we who were filled with war, and mutual slaughter, and every wickedness, have each through the whole earth changed our warlike weapons,–our swords into ploughshares, and our spears into implements of tillage,–and we cultivate piety, righteousness, philanthropy, faith, and hope, which we have from the Father Himself through Him who was crucified;

Ireneus, Against Heresies (Book IV, Chapter 34-4)

>But if the law of liberty, that is, the word of God, preached by the apostles (who went forth from Jerusalem) throughout all the earth, caused such a change in the state of things, that these [nations] did form the swords and war-lances into ploughshares, and changed them into pruning-hooks for reaping the grain, [that is], into instruments used for peaceful purposes, and that they are now unaccustomed to fighting, but when smitten, offer also the other cheek, Matthew 5:39 then the prophets have not spoken these things of any other person, but of Him who effected them

Origen, Contra Celsum, Book V, 33

>And to those who inquire of us whence we come, or who is our founder, we reply that we have come, agreeably to the counsels of Jesus, to cut down our hostile and insolent 'wordy' swords into ploughshares, and to convert into pruning-hooks the spears formerly employed in war. For we no longer take up sword against nation, nor do we learn war any more, having become children of peace, for the sake of Jesus, who is our leader

9c2a5d  No.805543

It conquered Rome without even lifting a finger. And it's still here.


cb9a3d  No.805548

>>805539

>The Pope tells us that we have to welcome refugees

Matthew 25:35-40, keep in mind this doesn't mean you need to support unrestricted immigration

I don't know why you'd have a problem with any of those quotes. We have a duty to defend ourselves and our families but we're not warmongers.


873389  No.805549

>>805548

>We have a duty to defend ourselves and our families but we're not warmongers.

This I totally agree. Do you have some quotes about defending ourselves and families?


93db29  No.805550


3f7f56  No.805557

I will endeavor to persuade you. Truthfully however, as a recent Catholic convert, I can't say I personally know these quotes. I will post a series of screenshots form other anons and then attempt to give my perspective. I'll be praying for you anon.


3f7f56  No.805558

File: fb54ce4f5b54b5d⋯.png (1.42 MB, 1520x7754, 760:3877, Discipline and Action I.png)

File: 3fe7f8fa4a62144⋯.png (1.06 MB, 1508x8683, 1508:8683, Discipline and Action II.png)

It's easy to select quotes from Church Fathers or from anyone else and cast shade on them. The enemies of Christ do it all the time. However, two simple ways to counteract this is to find quotes that definitively say otherwise and to read the quotes in context. I haven't read any of those books from the authors you cite, but I know in these screenshots there are plenty of other citations from the Bible and from Church Fathers and beyond.


3f7f56  No.805559

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>>805558

The historical examples of Christians in battle are virtually endless it would seem. However, there is a tendency to lean towards citing the examples of the Crusades. It's no ones fault, it's the obvious choice. However, in the example of the Fall of Constantinople it displays the valiant efforts of Christian men in battle, but also displays Christianity's ability to be a unifying force in the world.


3f7f56  No.805561

>>805559

This screenshot is commonly shared on 4/pol from what I understand. It remains true. Christians cannot, and certainly should not be weak when Christ himself was the Lion and the Lamb. Christ was the man who upon seeing the house of God desecrated by the moneychangers acted violently. No one learns about this in Sunday School.


3f7f56  No.805562

File: d8557233b2aeb11⋯.jpg (893.44 KB, 1500x2057, 1500:2057, Myth of Nice Jesus.jpg)

>>805561

Apologies, forgot pic


3f7f56  No.805563

File: 0876504a0bba945⋯.png (1.24 MB, 1532x2582, 766:1291, Turn the other cheek.png)

File: 09e59dd4a30f10f⋯.png (36.75 KB, 881x343, 881:343, Turn the Other Cheek 2.png)

>>805562

Furthermore, the turning of the cheek. Again, these are commonly shared screencaps. It occurs to me that you may have seen these already. Apologies if so, but these are the most relevant to the subject of Christianity supposedly being a weak religion.


3f7f56  No.805566

>>805563

Now if I may share a personal perspective on the matter. There is no question that as it stands there is an obvious perception the Christianity is a weak religion. You wouldn't be inquiring about it otherwise. However, the weakness of Christians and corruption in the Church must be looked at through the lens of whether or not such weakness is intrinsic. Considering the evidence I've posted via the above screencaps I would say not. Ultimately it is a matter of human weakness and human error. Even Saint Peter was rebuked for what he said about circumcision. Consider the example of Ananias and Saphira as well in Acts 5. In this case, not relatively long after the ascension of Christ and before the conversion of Saint Paul, they fraudulently sold a piece of land. Upon being rebuked by Peter they both died instantly. Acts 5:11 states "And there came great fear upon the whole church, and upon all that heard these things."

The fact remains is that Christianity stands as a monolith, and whatever you believe, has always had to deal with the problem of weak and evil people. Of course it must be remembered as well that we too are weak and sinful. The fact that one is cognisant of these facts sets them apart, and leaves them in a position to combat this weakness with God as your aide.


78288f  No.805567

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

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3f7f56  No.805575


8d3192  No.805600

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>>805539

You seem to want a identity rather than a faith. Christianity can offer both, but only one will save your soul.


cec32d  No.805614

>>805539

Weak is by worldly standards, in Catholicism at least, and orthodoxy, you can choose to be a person who defends themselves or not. Do what you will here.


c93dd4  No.805626

1 Corinthians 1:25

For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

2 Corinthians 13:4

For to be sure, he was crucified in weakness, yet he lives by God’s power. Likewise, we are weak in him, yet by God’s power we will live with him in our dealing with you.


9e302b  No.805631

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>>805539

What I find hilarious is LARPagans call Christians weak, yet lost to Charlemagne and had their tree cut down and violent VIKANGZ executed.


c967a8  No.805635

>>805539

I had the same feelings as you but learned I was just internalizing the feelings of others. After avoiding cucked Christians and listening to based Christians it's hard to believe anyone can be antiwhite and antiethnonationalist and honestly call themselves Christian. You just gotta get away from bad people so their demons don't haunt you.


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dd1d9b  No.805649

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7e65c8  No.805658

>>805539

To the LARPagans on /pol/ Christianity seems weak and passive. To the soyboys on reddit Christianity seems violent and oppressive. The truth of the matter is that the desert monk who wouldn't lift a finger in self defense and the fearless crusader who protected his brothers in Christ with the sword were both equally Christian. God makes lots and lots of different human souls, each with a different purpose in mind, and each in a time and place with its own needs. The world sways between the extremes of mindless violence and of mindless pacifism, but Christianity stands in the same position throughout all of time, and thus seems to the swaying world to be standing at the extremes when in fact it is standing exactly where it ought to at all times.


c397ac  No.805695

>>805539

Anon, God of the UNIVERSE.

Seek, and FIND.

Prayer is very real. Taste and see!

He ordered the heavens!

Bless the Lord, O my soul!

Psalm 19

Psalm 104

Praise God!


c4b973  No.805699

>>805635

Elaborate. How is Christianity pro white natonalism?


ed3be0  No.805709

>>805699

Christianity favors all nationalism including white.


1e0656  No.805711

>>805709

More accurately, Christ shelters all nations that keep his moral commandments, and long-term, abandons to corruption those that don't, no matter how nationalistic they try to be.


65aa8c  No.805712

u make it weak


cec32d  No.805717

>>805709

Christianity isn't about our foul nations.


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f2b1de  No.805746

File: b47dd4442706e79⋯.jpg (37.79 KB, 424x255, 424:255, revelation.jpg)


0e9277  No.805753

File: 62dcab610602858⋯.jpeg (101.21 KB, 527x800, 527:800, 722E1D28-77E6-4969-8003-9….jpeg)

Begome.


ce1df9  No.805759

>>805539

Where have you seen beneficial mutations(example:immunity to HIV,Malaria

where genes for the receptors gets broken and prevents the disease for entering the cell.) creating new genetic material. Everyone pretend as if evolution where one species turns into another one like whale into a cow is a fact yet where is the observable evidence at a DNA/genetic level?


37998f  No.805773

>>805759

What in God's name do anti-evolutionist rants have to do with this thread?

As a sidenote, just so you know, new genetic material can be created through a gene duplication mutation, which is a common thing which can happen through multiple methods.


c9a4d4  No.805776

What does it matter if it's weak or strong? If it's the truth, then you as a man should uphold it.


86c809  No.805777

>>805558

Thank you anon, that is a great collection of quotes


3ef971  No.805799

>>805558

Woah, woah, woah!

>Sirach justification for killing according to the Lord

>everlasting sleep than constant illness

The Lord approves of Euthanasia? Please correct me if I'm wrong as it's not my intent to offend.


719061  No.805808

>>805799

Not that I know of.


46e556  No.805810

>>805709

See, this is awkward. White isn't a nation, but American is, and Americans have traditionally called themelves White Americans to distinguish themselves from the African Americans.


e8fea4  No.805811

>>805539

Strength isn't just about bearing arms in battle. Nations which are perpetually at war are weak. Just look at the social and financial malaise that grips the USA due to government debt spending for the war chest.


f8018e  No.806196

>>805539

/pol/, Varg and pagan larpers still bitching about getting BTFO by Christians.


30d52d  No.806202

File: c9ed79574283b0c⋯.jpg (79.44 KB, 620x470, 62:47, christian_vs_pagan.jpg)

>MIGHT IS RIGHT, PAGAN STRONG!

>….

>WTF SVEN?! HELP! THE CHRISTIANS ARE WINNING!!!!


0499e6  No.806323

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>>805539

>Please convince me that Christianity is not a 'weak' religion

It's not. Kissing muslim feet is a sign of strength, because they are exposed and you could always bite them.


97dd96  No.808205

Christianity has 1500 years of going strong. Enough proof? It is literally the Truth. Still not enough proof?

Look at the Christianity of the past and compare it to the modern version.

You need to stop listening to paganlarpers and nietzschefags. They're annoying but all they are is they're moral relativists.

>>805753

woke


d88e70  No.808213

>>806323

>Kissing muslim feet

>posts pic of the Pope kissing Coptic feet

All brown people are Muslim, amirite?


18bf47  No.808246

>>805717

Self hating, love your ethnos.

>>805810

Hair splitting.


18bf47  No.808247

>>808213

He kissed the feet of Muslims at that particular photo op.


5b582f  No.808249

If you care you are a LARPer who is going to hell


97749c  No.808317


da0534  No.808593

>>806323

Pope John XII was beaten to death by a jealous husband for sleeping with his wife. He was also accused of turning the papal palace into a brothel, sleeping with his niece, toasting the devil, ordaining a 10yr old boy, and misusing papal funds to pay gambling debts.

… and you worry about some foot kissing?


935eef  No.808700

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>>805539

Luke 22:35-36

Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”

“Nothing,” they answered.

He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.


cd8448  No.808795

>>808783

Marcionism is still alive?


7e65c8  No.808805

>>808783

Matthew is the only Gospel that contains the blood libel, and Luke is the only Gospel written by a Gentile. You're retarded.


b2b42b  No.808824

File: d8c6adb5b3cc8c3⋯.png (59.17 KB, 933x234, 311:78, marcionism.png)

>>808795

POL christianity isn't even close to marcionism (pic related).

>>808805

So now Marc, Peter's roman interpreter, isn't a gentile?

There isn't even any evidence that Peter was jewish in Mark & John

There isn't even any evidence that the Apostle John was jewish, More likely Greek.

All that stuff comes from Matthew and Luke, where everybody is jewish.


7e65c8  No.808829

>>808824

You're getting hung up on the word "jew" because your brain is fried on /pol/ memes. Jesus and the Apostles, like all native inhabitants of Roman Judea, would have referred to themselves with a word that's usually translated as "jew". "Jews", as they exist today, did not exist in the time of Christ. The modern "jewish" religion didn't start to be formed until the Temple was destroyed, and it has almost nothing to do with the "jewish" religion that existed from the time of David to the time of Christ. The modern "jewish" race is also the result of 2000 years of muttification; there weren't any happy_merchant.jpgs running around in the year 33 AD.


b2b42b  No.808845

>>808829

>"Jews", as they exist today, did not exist in the time of Christ.

>says jews didnt exist.back then

literally jesus has discussions with jews… that did exist.


2dbee1  No.808846

>>808845

Can you not read?

>as they exist today

>today

They’ve changed.


7e65c8  No.808847

>>808845

The key phrase is

>as they exist today

There was an ancient people that called themselves "jews", and there's a modern conglomerate of peoples that also calls itself "jews". I like to think of the ancient "jews" as proto-Christians, and the modern ones as Talmudic rabbinists, so as to refer to each people by their defining traits and to avoid confusion. Jesus and the Apostles were proto-Christian "jews", and Schlomo Shekelberg is a Talmudic rabbinist "jew". Proto-Christianity completely ceased to exist with the destruction of the Temple, and Talmudic rabbinism started to form out of the wreckage after the destruction of the Temple. Talmudic rabbinist "jews" claim spiritual descent from the proto-Christian "jews", but obviously the legitimate successor to proto-Christianity is Christianity itself.

Just bear in mind that although Jesus' countrymen called themselves a word that's usually translated as "jew", they had almost nothing at all to do with the modern peoples who call themselves that same name.


2b18a2  No.808851

stop asking other people to validate your beliefs and "convince" you of anything

you are weak and sounds weak OP


a18e60  No.808857

>>808847

>Jesus and the Apostles were proto-Christian "jews"

Have you even read John chapter 8?

Literally says The jews accused Jesus of having a devil.

Wouldn't "the jews" be referring to jesus too, by your logic?

There is no evidence in Mark & John that any of the disciples are jewish.

It'll surprise you when you see it, all of that stuff drops out if you take matthew and luke out of the picture.

I'm sorry to have to break it to you. but you're following a jewish subverted form of christianity


08ba69  No.809006

>>808783

The theory is, Matt and Luke used Mark and a lost document called Q as sources. The claim here, then, is that Q was comped, just like Q is comped in our world.


f2b678  No.809013

>>808851

This!!!!!!! Just keep searching anon, you will find truth (Christ) and then your heart will be content.


eeecf6  No.809239

File: 720f0d3e381449b⋯.png (76.85 KB, 880x1030, 88:103, A loving god.png)

>>805539

Every thought about that Christianity seems soft, loving and forgiving, because generally the world our ancestors lived in was not this way?


2bdf0a  No.809247

>>808783

there is a whole thread about this on pol

would you guys belive that /christ mods deleted this thread in a second.

/pol has become the new /christ honestly

you can't even have a discussion about this on /christ ? stupid




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