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>>805057

I'll pray for you pal.

>“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me."

>"Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it."

>>805059

Thank you

>>805057

It's up to you, Islam terrifies me personally. We get many people a week asking similar to you, so you understand you aren't alone. However, it will be hard

Worst thing you can do is marry a Muslim. That will trap you in a life you specifically don't want, with people who won't tolerate your views watching your every move for signs of unbelief. Everything you do will have to be halal from then on, and many people will be ready to enact reprisals (her family may not be so moderate).

My advice would be to start setting expectations, drawing yourself away from Islam in an incremental approach, but do make your antipathy to Islam known. Your mother is evidently a wild card, but in terms of the family dynamic that probably tips out of your favour, since she's clearly not too stable. Islam attracts radicals, so maybe she was induced by feminism or some other political reason to be pro-Islam in the first place. In the modern western mind, politics is a higher purpose than religion, so don't count on rationality from her either. Depending on prospects for university and employment don't burn bridges faster than you can make new ones.

If the situation deteriorates, leave quickly, and get to a lawyer. Lawyers have all kinds of tools these days to keep one safe from cultural enrichment of the kind you may suffer from. The lawyer is capable of being a very loud bullhorn, or even helping you to disappear (legal name change for instance), both can be hugely effective at keeping you safe. Also the full breadth of the Eurozone is your oyster, so you can move well out of reach of tracing attempts. Even a state-paid lawyer can save your ass without having his 2 brain cells fire sequentially too often.

Anyway, I pray it doesn't come to that, good luck and peace be with you.

>>805057

This >>805059, OP. My parents were somewhat against me converting to Christianity too (I live on the east side of the hemisphere btw). So one day I just walked to the church, take lessons, and now preparing to receive Baptism.

They did complain and things, but in the end they tacitly allow it seeing that there is no stopping me and while they disagree about converting, they love me for being their child nonetheless. Go for it I say. If your parents will hate you for it then your parents need you to be their light shining in the darkness more than anything else, pray for them to see the light and convert like St. Monica.

>>805057

Oh and one last thing, don't get thrown in jail. It's Germany, so the Muslims in jail are going to be the ones that take apostasy seriously.

>>805064

Thanks for the answer

>>805065

Thanks for the answer

>She converted to Islam

Lmao, when the time comes just ask her why she considers a theologically illiterate pedophile warlord to be a prophet, and why she cares so much about religion when it is clear it is just an ornament for her.

>>805076

I don't know why she converted. I thinks it because the culture. She likes turkish and islamic culture more than german culture.

Maybe it's because it is oriental?

>>805080

Should move to one of the so wonderful islamic countries then, so that she can experience first hand the wonders of islam.

>>805057

I would secretly convert now and get baptized if you can keep it hidden from them. If you can’t keep it hidden then just wait until you move out

>>805057

It's a good plan, but try to get Baptized sooner if you can do so safely. Considering that your parents didn't raise you to be devout, they'll probably hate you much less than you fear, even though they'll probably raise objections. I understand that this sounds like an easy thing for a guy who's never been in your shoes to say, and I certainly don't live up to this standard nearly as much as I should, but Christ does desire for His followers to openly profess their faith, even in the face of resistance. Obviously it's okay to go into hiding if you're in fear for your life, but if not you might want to start gauging your parents' reaction to your conversion.

You're screwed m8. Keep your Christianity to yourself. Germans are eventually going to rise up against non-Germans in Germany, or Muslims will force convert non-Muslims, either way, being a non-German non-Muslim is the worst thing you could possibly be. You'd be safer going to some country where Germans and Muslims aren't power players.

Yes, Benedict XVI said you weren't made for comfort, you were made for greatness. Do you know what happened after those patriotic young men marched in Charlottesville against statue removal? Their lives are ruined. Don't throw your life away. You've been aware for a few years and will live, God willing, for many decades.

If you want to do good in this world, do it patiently, humbly, diligently, kindly, and temperately, chastely, liberally (these are the contrary virtues to the seven deadly sins).

May God have mercy on us.

>>805057

>I'm 17 now, and I know that my parents would never accept that I would become a Christian. My plan is that I wait until I'm 18 and then convert. If it gets really bad, I'm moving out.

You can convert by age 14, because in Church law you are an adult by this age.

>>805518

>You're screwed m8. Keep your Christianity to yourself.

Other German here. Being a Christian means bearing your cross, especially in Germany. Not only know, but also 500 years ago. Still there are places far worse than Germany for Christians.

In fact OP's safest option is to make his conversion as public as possible. Not only can he provide a good example to other Turk-Germans, they also can't get rid of him as easily as when nobody knows him.