249cd4 No.803860
Will we ever consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart christbros?
df7ee2 No.803919
You do know that that was a fear surrounding Bolshevism, right? Which is gone now. And praise God for that.
How about focusing on the queers and child murderers taking over the West now? Why are Catholics fixated on converting other Christians, when there's a tremendous amount of degeneracy and death right at the doorstep? And to add to the strangeness, you're trying to convert Christians who are already devoted to the Virgin Mary. It's not like Russia is full of Mary hating Baptists. These are your kin that you'd find little to disagree with about Mary.
6d9acf No.803925
Are you trying to summon the eternally butthurt Russiaboos, OP?
a70191 No.803927
>>803919
I know most Orthodox will not compromise, but I hope we get a learned Pope that will reach out to the Eastern Orthodox and try to mend the Schism. What really divides us is the Filioque and Papal supremacy - Eastern Catholics have kept all their traditions (which are your traditions) but they affirm those. Some, like Melkites, even have Mark of Ephesus and Palamas as Saints. In any case, it seems like you guys have been making progress on joining the Oriental Orthodox to your faith?
f2b203 No.803936
>>803925
kek this.
>inb4 MUH JEWS NOT MUH RUSSIANS
which is true, but they miss the point entirely.
6cc74c No.803967
>>803925
Eternally butthurt Russiaboo reporting in
51d60b No.804062
>>803860
Encountering Aliens is more likely than Russia becoming Catholic.
>>803927
>will not compromise
>mend the Schism
You realize those two things contradict each other?
33409d No.804449
>>803919
You're missing the point, dude.
e69f01 No.804453
muh apparitions, muh Fatima, muh errors of Russia
>consecrate Russia
>"consecrate"
What does that even mean?
t. not even a Russian bro
418eb7 No.804478
>>804453
>Apparitons, Fatima, Errors of Russia
Those are kinda self explaining, what is your question now?
af45cb No.804485
>>804453
>Communism
>Not a huge error
8227f7 No.804490
>>803860
No, that would be a "grave sin against ecumenism." Converting Orthodox Christians is a sin according to Pope Francis.
ad81c5 No.804520
>>804478
How do you know muh apparitions are not demonic? Monks will tell you they could be.
>>804485
>Lenin
>Jacob Schiff
>Leon Bronstein “Trotsky”
>“Russian” errors.
Why didn’t the apparition mention the Jews?
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Lenins-Jewish-roots-put-on-display-in-Russian-museum
Btw what does “consecrate” even mean in this context?
6f13cd No.804522
>>804520
>Apparitions that tell you to grow closer and more pious to God are demonic
>Apparitions that stress the importance of prayer to Jesus are demonic
f2b203 No.804523
>>803936
>>804520
like clockwork.
For the 10000000th time, errors of Russia mean the regime, the state of Russia, she doesn't say "the error of russians" or "the russian error". It's very different.
>Why didn’t the apparition mention the Jews?
What would be the point? the revolution was already implanted at that point, and RUSSIA was bent on spreading it. She tried to warn them about Russia but nobody listened.
775e99 No.804528
>>803927
>Eastern Catholics have kept all their traditions
When will this retarded meme end
b175ac No.804545
So, why is the current consecration invalid, somehow?
ad81c5 No.804585
>>804522
>demons would never lie or show us something holy to spread foul untruths
I think you underestimate them.
The prophesy also doesn’t make sense. Why does the Theotokos appear now? Because the suffering is unique now? Why?
>>804523
The USSR ended, so I guess those errors of Russia are over.
Does “consecrate” mean convert? Or are we talking about some kind of ecumenism?
024dcc No.804590
>>804585
<Demons can do holy things
Demons literally cannot do that. It would be agianst their nature as demons to do something holy. Just like it would be agianst the nature of an angel to do something demonic, or agianst the nature of God to do something evil.
>Why does the Theotokos appear now?
To call people to repentance as to prevent the errors of Russia from corrupting the world. We didn't listen and now we have to deal with the consequences of not listening to God and His messanger.
>The USSR ended so the errors of Russia are over?
Not even close to being over. See pic related.
>Consecration, what does it mean?
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/consecrate
consecrate (something/somebody/yourself to something) (formal)
to give something/somebody/yourself to a special purpose, especially a religious one
>She consecrated her life to God.
508cd6 No.804592
>>804585
>"Hey guys what your doing now is awful, stop sinning and start doing penance because Jesus is absolutely furious that your murdering billions of babies"
>"it demon"
Yea when Satan went to Jesus in the desert he told him to pray the Our Father 5 times a day as well right?
The errors of Russia are well alive in the west, spiritually through the spread of atheism and globalism, and economically through the slavery of the EU.
This is not to mention the remnants of the USSR infiltrating western institutions and subverting everything, including The Church.
e69f01 No.804610
>>804590
It could be demonic in the sense that the apparition is giving you an obscure message to "consecrate" Russia. Only later was it claimed that this apparition was "Mary". There's also the claim that 9/10ths of the world will be wiped out if the "consecration" (again, who knows what that means) doesn't happen. This is millennialist, the idea of a worldly utopian kingdom, paganism. Christ will come again to judge the living and the dead on judgement day, that's the prophesy to put on your hearts friends.
>American politicians
>muh errors of Russia
derp
Next you're going to link us that Yuri Bezmenov video, right? The Frankfurt school didn't arrive in the West from Soviet infiltration. No, the American establishment welcomed them in with open arms. Speaking of which, communism originated in Germany (led by (((them))) of course). The cold war is over; American capitalism is just as demonic as the Soviets were.
a897de No.804625
>>803927
The Uniates have all been Latinized to an extent, the further away from the Curzon line you get the worse it becomes, but even in Galicia it's noticeable. We see the iconoclasm in the Ultramonatist Church, we see their liturgy is now ugly and deformed. Why would we ever go there?
5f2f6a No.804674
>>804610
> Frankfurt school didn't arrive in the West from Soviet infiltration. No, the American establishment welcomed them in with open arms. Speaking of which, communism originated in Germany (led by (((them))) of course). The cold war is over; American capitalism is just as demonic as the Soviets were.
And they are far more destructive imo. Where straight up Marxists and Bolsheviks focused on class issues, Frankfurt focuses on the more vague "oppressor vs oppressed" dichotomy. There's absolutely no end to it. And this is why the West is eating itself at the moment. Constant victimhood grievances, and constant creation of new ideas of victims. You could actually slow Marxism down by focusing on economy and how other systems aid the lower classes just as well. But none of that works anymore. It's all Identity politics now.
So to bring this all back, it strange that there is such dire warning about Russia, when it not only resolved the problem of getting rid of the Marxists, but even that problem isn't as severe as the one that exists now. And to make it more absurd, it originates in the West itself!
People are sadly living in the past if they fear Russia. The demon is right here. And if you don't recognize it and destroy it, it's only going to get worse.
5f2f6a No.804675
>>804674
Also, some of the loudest perpetrators of the Frankfurt school are people in the church itself. Both Orthodox or Catholic, sadly. I've seen social justice warrior Orthodox (like the stuff that comes out of Fordham university.. like gender studies in the orthodox church) to all of the demonizing of anyone against illegal immigration (again, it goes back to the oppressor/oppressed dynamic) - the Pope being the main culprit here for Catholics. They're all Marxists, but using this new dialectic that isn't always economics based.
c5b971 No.804687
Considering that at the end of the day no one is obliged to believe in the apparition to be in good standing and it has zero bearing on salvation you guys may as well be discussing fan fiction
024dcc No.804769
>>804687
You are still obligated to believe in the overall message of repentance and prayer as it is central to any healthy christian's faith. Though it baffles me that people are still skeptical of their legitimacy even after the revelations in Guadalupe and Fatima.
32707b No.805875
Have you prayed your rosary today anons?
9918d7 No.805891
>>805875
>But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Shoo shoo heathen.
68295c No.805985
>>805891
Shoo shoo bible-idolater, you don't even know greek.
6985ed No.806024
>>805985
>Catholics literally rejecting the Bible
lmao
c71d4c No.806031
>>806024
>protestants literally worshiping the Bible
Lmao
024dcc No.806033
>>806024
>protestant with zero reading comprehension
Makes sense why you misinterpreted the bible now.
6985ed No.806045
>>806033
Pretty hard to misinterpret that verse, it really couldn’t be any clearer. Catholics hate Protestants so much that they literally don’t even believe the Bible is the inspired word of God anymore lmao. Good job, you played yourself.
06a1f9 No.806057
>>806031
>mfw this meme is some kind of excuse for the catholics now
345ac6 No.806080
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>806045
>>806057
It actually really easy to misinterpret the bible, hence why there are 30 thousand different Prot denoms that hold sola scriptura to heart. Your personal interpretation doesn't trump the fact you have no idea what βαττολογέω means or the context Saint Paul was using it in.
Again, this post >>805985 doesn't say "the bible doesn't matter" the post says you have no idea what you are talking about and are regurgitating the traditions of what men have taught you and not what the Apostles taught you. Yee prideful bible-idolaters have no idea what you people are talking about. Like fools you lead others down a path of self-importance and not down the path of Jesus Christ.
Learn some Greek and Church history.
You want to see βαττολογέω in action? See embed related.
https://biblehub.com/greek/945.htm
0f3826 No.806163
>>806080
Anon, your post made me rethink a lot about what my pastors taught me. Thank you for this post.
06a1f9 No.806276
>>806080
Okay, there are two meanings for that word.
In one, Paulo would be saying not to stutter during prayers, an assertion in itself silly, since gentiles were not known to simply stutter during prayers.
In another, Paul would be saying not to make vain repetitions like the Pharisees, which makes a lot of sense, since the Gentiles were known to repeat their prayers as if they were "spells" that should be repeated exactly over and over again.
>hence why there are 30 thousand different Prot denoms that hold sola scriptura to heart.
It is better to leave the knowledge of the Bible decentralized than to keep everything only in a denomination that every century changes what it wants to favor its own ideas.
7c3868 No.806287
>>806276
βαττολογέω is an onomatopoeia. It's the greek way of saying "blah blah blah". The heathens would regularly spout nonsense like those in the embed related.
>prot is fine with everyone and their mother bastardizing the word of God
I bet you are also fine with fag enabling and divorce too. You bible-idolaters make me sick. Imagine if Israel was like that in the OT. There woul never have been a kingdom.
God chose Moses to lead Israel for a reason. God didn't just let everyone interpret His word and law willynilly as they saw fit. If you think Jesus made a mistake giving St. Peter the keys to the kingdom than you think God can make mistakes, which is heresy.
06a1f9 No.806289
>>806287
>βαττολογέω is an onomatopoeia.
An onomatopoeia… For repetitions!
>I bet you are also fine with fag enabling and divorce too, etc
A lot of assumptions you're doing here.
>Imagine if Israel was like that in the OT.
You speak as if there were no elite with ultimate authority dedicated to interpreting the scriptures in Israel who were condemned by Jesus himself.
>If you think Jesus made a mistake giving St. Peter the keys to the kingdom than you think God can make mistakes, which is heresy.
Pic related. Don't use the scarecrow fallacy next time, I didn't mention Peter until now.
024dcc No.806312
>>806289
>he still thinks his personal interpretation of βαττολογέω is correct
Sad
>he thinks Jesus giving the keys to the kingdom is irrelevant
So much for actually reading the Bible.
>he doesn't like the fag enabling denoms
Than you are a hypocrite! They are your brother denoms, cut from the same cloth, fruit of the same rotten tree, yet you disown them. You claim to love the decentralized nature of your traditions of man yet you disagree with them when they bastardize God's word. So either there is no correct way to interpret the Bible or there is, which is it?
<b-but muh Pharisees
Were not all bad people. St. Paul was a Pharisee after all. So is he corrupt?
Besides Jesus Himself even said
>All therefore whatsoever they (the Pharisees) bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. (Matthew 23:3)
Emphasis mine.
d41d8b No.806477
06a1f9 No.806555
>>806312
>still using the scarecrow
>Than you are a hypocrite!
If I'm a hypocrite, so are you, after all, Protestantism came out of Catholicism, didn't it? Even if it is not, if you do not accept the orthodox doctrines, you are also hypocritical, because they are your brothers, out of the same branch, right? Stop making stupid arguments for once.
>St. Paul was a Pharisee after all
Saul was a Pharisee, Paul was a Christian. Do Catholics ever read the Bible in life or do they just listen to what the current priest says in Latin without understanding anything?
943895 No.806584
>>806287
Our Father, Who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us, and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever and ever.
4d735e No.806729
What on earth does consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary have to do with the Gospel? What does that even mean?
648c65 No.806749
>>806729
It was a nice thought when the Bolsheviks took over Russia and the rest of the world wanted it brought back to God.
It's just that the USSR is gone. Now what? Russia is unlikely to fall prey to it again in the foreseeable future. It's actually America people should worry about now.
75188b No.806981
>>806080
Based. Pic related
75188b No.806984
>>806287
>decentralized knowledge
Either there is no true interpation of the scriputre or there can only be one.
You could argue that it is hidden, but that would go against the Bible.
Martin Luther almost removed Revelation from the Bible as well; where do we get the Bible. Who decided what books are valid or not?
e668f9 No.807022
>>803860
Do you really think she's more pleased with the state of Christianity in the Vatican or the West as a whole than with the state of Christianity in Russia? Highly delusional and even just thinking about robbing another house while your own is already burning down with you inside it is laughable.
e668f9 No.807033
>>807024
No one in this thread is saying a word about Russia being Heaven on Earth or even remotely close to it, you have these "Putinites" living rent free in your head, those people don't even visit this board and are usually Westerners to begin with. Everything listed in those screenshots is completely subjective (zero sources listed, I'm aware of the sources behind those compliants and they are mostly true, but still, none of them were provided with the comment) and can be found in the West to the same or worse extent with additional problems thrown in that are fairly alien to Russia.
Russia has tons of other problems from different sources needing different solutions, but when it comes to practicing Christians and being a Christian in the country it's still better off overall and anyone who has been there for more than a week would probably know that.
This thread should die and serves no purposes beyond the usual squabble and divide which it will certainly achieve so I won't respond beyond this. Choosing between Russia and most Western countries when it comes to practicing the faith and the people who are already there as practicing Christians is like choosing between crap and crap with corn in it, both are ultimately horrible and the only thing we're arguing is which one has less of a smell so we can stick with it, and that's not worth arguing, especially not today but not ever.
a80099 No.807051
>>807050
>Calling Jesus' Mom a whore
Wew prot, that'll make Jesus happy. Repent and apologize before it's too late.
bef520 No.807054
>>803860
Was there ever any proof of this supposed miracle of Fatima, or is it just Catholic fabrication?
43d2e7 No.807059
>>807053
>>807054
>>807050
Vade retro Satana.
bef520 No.807062
>>807059
That's not me kissing the satanic book, but your pope.
2078bf No.807068
>>807054
Even the secular atheistic papers in Portugal were documenting what happened. Detailing everything that happened at Fatima.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/father-raymond-j-de-souza-in-a-skeptical-secular-age-fatima-remains-a-miracle
FFS, the kids were kidnapped by the mayor. If it was all just made up why would the mayor himself bother to kidnap the kids?
65d915 No.807078
>>807054
The hundreds of eyewitnesses?
7f7eb9 No.807083
>>807078
300?
No, 70k people witnessed the Fatima miracle. 70k people, including atheists, witnessed God's majesty.
bef520 No.807165
>>807068
"The miracle of the sun" sounds interesting, but the prophesies were wrong:
> The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XI.
>Pope Pius XI died in February 1939, WW2 broke out in September
bef520 No.807166
>>803860
>>807068
>The Sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth before zig-zagging back to its normal position.[18] Witnesses reported that their previously wet clothes became "suddenly and completely dry, as well as the wet and muddy ground that had been previously soaked because of the rain that had been falling".[19] Not all witnesses reported seeing the Sun "dance". Some people only saw the radiant colors, and others, including some believers, saw nothing at all.[8][20][21][22][23] The only known picture of the Sun taken during the event shows nothing unusual.[9][10]
I'd like to believe, but it sounds like mass hysteria to me.
90b1b6 No.807178
>Will we ever consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart christbros?
It already happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima#Consecration_of_Russia
>I come to answer your question, "If the consecration made by Pope John Paul II on 25 March 1984 in union with all the bishops of the world, accomplished the conditions for the consecration of Russia according to the request of Our Lady in Tui, Spain on 13 June 1929?" Yes, it was accomplished, and since then I have said that it was made.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consecration_of_Russia
>Orthodox Christians and especially members of the Russian Orthodox Church object to the concept of the Consecration of Russia for two reasons: (1) Russia was already Christian at the time of the alleged Fátima apparitions and had a long history of devotion to the Theotokos, and (2) the concept contains what appears to be an implicit proselytism of Russian Orthodox Christians to the Catholic Faith. Orthodox apologists thus tend to understand the phrase "Russia will be converted" as implying conversion from Orthodox Christianity to Roman Catholicism and acceptance of papal infallibility and universal supreme jurisdiction. Catholics respond that the apparitions at Fátima took place after the March 1917 revolution that deposed Tsar Nicholas and the April 16 return to Russia of Lenin. Russia was thus already in the throes of revolution and facing a renewed threat from a Bolshevism particularly hostile to all organized religion when prayers for Russia were first requested in May. The final October miracle occurred just weeks before the Communist Revolution. They argue that this timing suggests that the consecration refers to the threat that Russia faced from atheistic Communism. In 1946 during a gathering of youth at Fátima, Sister Lucia was asked by a young Russian girl (Natacha Derfelden) how the conversion of Russia would come about. However, Sister Lucia stated that the conversion of Russia would come through the Orthodox Church and "the Oriental rite", seemingly meaning the conversion implied reconciliation and reunion between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church. Yet, another possibility is that it means a conversion of the heart, which conforms to the theological commentary written by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) on the Fátima secret.
The only detail that needs to be ironed out now is the actual nature of the consecration, its consequences, and so on. Time will tell, I guess.
b4d878 No.807293
>>807281
>Jesus' mother telling people to repent twords God and pray is satanic
Wew prot, surefire way to make Jesus happy is to insult his mother. Good job.
fae849 No.807302
>>807165
I've heard people arguing that ww2 had already started in the east
fae849 No.807306
081791 No.807557
>>807302
But it didn't, it wasn't a world war, only Japan and China. It's a world war only when several great powers get involved on either side, which didn't happen before Hitler's invasion of Poland in September 39. The Sino-Japanese War got absorbed into WW2, not the other way around.
1bb0ab No.807734
>>804687
Sure it's not heresy as it's not of the faith. But it is a sin against piety to doubt what the church has confirmed to be true
fae849 No.807735
>>807557
i disagree..if we go by this definition then the spanish civil war could be conisdered the start..either way it's not an issue set in stone: https://historyguy.com/what_date_did_world_war_two_begin