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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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a8c9bc  No.803202

Ancient 3,000-year-old tablet suggests Biblical king may have existed…

A new study of the Mesha Stele, which is also known as the Moabite Stone, a 3,000 year-old inscribed tablet that dates back to 840 B.C., proposes the idea that the biblical King Balak may have been an actual historical figure.

http://archive.today/2019.05.02-160024/https://www.foxnews.com/science/ancient-3000-year-old-tablet-suggests-biblical-king-may-have-existed

The study of an ancient tablet that dates back nearly 3,000 years suggests that the biblical King Balak may have been an actual historical figure. Published in Tel Aviv: The Journal of the Institute of Archaeology of Tel Aviv University, the study looks at the Mesha Stele and makes the determination that after looking at new photos of the cracked tablet, Balak existed, though the researchers are not 100 percent certain of it. "After studying new photographs of the Mesha Stele and the squeeze of the stele prepared before the stone was broken, we dismiss Lemaire’s proposal to read (‘House of David’) on Line 31," the researchers wrote in the study's abstract. "It is now clear that there are three consonants in the name of the monarch mentioned there, and that the first is a beth. We cautiously propose that the name on Line 31 be read as Balak, the king of Moab referred to in the Balaam story in Numbers 22–24."

It's Line 31 that is tempering the researchers' enthusiasm. There are "[a]bout seven letters are missing from the beginning of the line [31], followed by the words (“sheep/small cattle of the land”)," the study's abstract adds. The abstract continues: "Next there is a vertical stroke that marks the transition to a new sentence, which opens with the words (“And Hawronēn dwelt therein”). Evidently a name is expected to follow. Then there is a legible beth, followed by a partially eroded, partially broken section with space for two letters, followed by a waw and an unclear letter. The rest of the line, with space for three letters, is missing."

The Mesha Stele, which is also known as the Moabite Stone, is an inscribed tablet that dates back to 840 B.C. and was discovered in 1868 by researcher Frederick Augustus Klein. It had previously been theorized that Line 31 was a reference to the House of David. However, the researchers, led by the study's lead author, Israel Finkelstein, believe the letter "B" is there and it is not a reference to "beth," the Hebrew word for "house," but rather Balak. Although the study's authors, Finkelstein, Nadav Na’aman and Thomas Römer, have theorized that Balak may have been an actual person, their "proposal is very tentative," Ronald Hendel, a professor of the Hebrew Bible and Jewish Studies at the University of California, Berkeley, told Live Science. Hendel was not involved in the study.

2ee5db  No.803215

>needing to uncover archaeology to believe the Bible instead of just believing it

oh ye of little faith


21ff54  No.803224

Finkelstein is a disbelieving Jew (and possibly a queer. At least my radar sets off on him). The House of David reading was widespread among both conservative and liberal scholars, but this guy is a strange one. He's a Jew, but doesn't believe any of Israel's biblical origins are true. He's part of the cohort of archaeologists who think Israelites were actually just other Caananites who led a "peasant rebellion" and settled away from the original Canaannite cities. And then over time, made up the myth that they came from Abraham/Sumer and lived in Egypt for a time.. and then made up the Exodus. All because these scholars are strangely hung up on pushing this "peasant rebellion" idea and dismiss all evidence or provide odd readings of existing evidence to push this theory.

The kicker is that this theory originated in explicit commie circles in Union Theological Seminary, I believe. It was specifically described as a "proto-Marxist" movement in papers. This happened around the 60s, when communists flooded academic circles, like everywhere else. Seminaries were no exception. They tried to turn the biblical story into a reason to push Marx. It's carried on for decades now, with faggots like Finklestein.

If this sounds unimportant, these things have real, present world implications. Archaeology and academia is flooded by communists pushing similar stuff. In this case, the "peasant revolt theory" dismisses ancient land claims from Israel and just makes them another mere inhabitant from circumstance. Now modern Israel itself has no concept of a promised land. At best, they have a proto-communist narrative to tell stories about. But this takes the focus off of Israel, and starts promoting Marxist, "one world government/proletariat" theories where Israel and Palestinians can unite on common Marxist grounds.

Egyptology is also flooded by the same duplicitous crap, that is actually more about modern politics than science. Up until recently, the Egyptian antiquities authorities have gone out of their way to alter timelines and show that Israel or the Exodus never happened or that Israel was barely even in Egypt. They try to wash Israel out of history, since this would boost Israel's modern presence that they are as ancient as other people in these lands. So Egyptology gets tainted with an overt, Arab centric flavor that has nothing to do with reality… all driven by modern biases and politics.

I'm not a Zionist by any means, and I understand the fears about that, but the opposite extreme is just as bad.


ebd837  No.803240

>>803215

>needing to uncover archaeology to believe the Qur'an instead of just believing it

>needing to uncover archaeology to believe the Vedas instead of just believing it

>needing to uncover archaeology to believe the Tripitaka instead of just believing it

>needing to uncover archaeology to believe the Book of Mormon instead of just believing it

Great logic.


711dce  No.803249

File: 978121ec86556d5⋯.jpg (12.26 KB, 477x539, 477:539, devil pepe.jpg)

You win this time, Christians, but next time we'll just blame the aliens and completely dismantle your pathetic church!


1143e3  No.803301

>>803215

Yeah, this is exactly the attitude Jesus had when He visited His disciple Thomas.


3f9e2c  No.803409

I'm the anon earlier who criticized Finkelstein, but this other topic of faith/not needing archaeology is interesting as well. I don't think you need archaeology to replace faith, for sure, but archaeology still has worth for filling gaps and painting a more colorful picture. It's like the difference between a short film and a long TV series, if you will.

Take Moses and the Exodus for example. The pozzed/scholarly consensus is that the Exodus was in the 13th century BC (if it happened at all, in their minds). The 1200s BC, that is.. which is extremely late and doesn't line up with scripture's own testimony. It practically paints no "color" to the story, for it offers nothing about the surrounding world of that time that makes sense to the Exodus narrative. So I'm not going to bother with it.

But the conservative and biblical estimate (and the Rabbinic one, somewhat in a similar era) is the 15th century BC. Possibly even very early 16th century. The current consensus is around 1446BC. Here, we have an interesting story on the backdrop of the Exodus world. If it's true, you get a clearer picture of the Pharaohs back then and why this date might make sense.

From 1700BC to mid 1500s BC, Egypt was actually taken over by Semitic rulers called the Hyksos. This already makes Joseph's story interesting, since he rose up to the highest rank at this time. It makes more sense that a fellow Semitic would value him so much, rather than a Egyptian pharaoh would. Secondly, the Egyptians finally ousted the Hyksos around 1550 BC after a long series of campaigns, and when the dust was settled, the people who once benefited under Hyksos rule suffered under Egyptian rule. This also lines up with scripture, where Exodus starts with a king "who knew not Joseph" and proceeded to enslave them. If the 1446 BC date is true, then it's possible that Moses was born around 1526BC. This puts him smack in the middle of Thutmoses I as Pharaoh. And lo and behold, Thutmoses did indeed have a daughter: Hatshepsut. She would have been a young girl around 1526BC, not much older than the baby Moses. Maybe 7 years old. That already paints a different picture of "pharoah's daughter" in the Exodus, because sometimes she's displayed as a young woman bathing in the Nile. If this theory is true, she was a little girl.. powerful though she was, and plucked the baby Moses out of the water as her own, despite being a young girl itself. It actually lines up with the later passages though, where it says she sent the baby Moses to be watched by one of the Israelite women (who happened to be Moses' real mother). If Pharaoh's daughter was a young girl, it kind of makes sense that she outsourced the job. Maybe she just thought he was cute or she wanted a "toy", but none of the responsibility.

I could keep going on, but Hatshepsut in later life provides a lot of color to the story as well. She eventually became queen and one of the most celebrated Pharaohs of all time. But in her own time, was hated somehow. Her statues are vandalized by her successor. Historians are confused as to why. They've never provided an answer, since they also see that she accomplished great things. But the Bible may provide the answer: Moses. She brought Moses into the Pharoah's household eventually, and after his murder of the Egyptian and the Exodus, Hatshepsut became an embarassment to her successor and ruling elite. They tried blotting her out of history for an inexplicable reason, but the Bible may provide the reason.

Anyways, the point I just want to make is it can make the Bible even more interesting than it is at face value, once we imagine how the surrounding world might have lined up. It's not really about faith.. but a love for detail and a clearer story (or at least imagining this could be the story).


9be526  No.803818

>>803409

Hey that was awesome, thanks for sharing and definitely does put a lot of color into Moses's background


12f59e  No.803820

>>803409

I'd like to add that many of these guys love to ignore the fact that the covenant established with Moses is 1:1 with other covenants made between secular kingdoms of the time; so God made a covenant with Moses and the Jewish people in a way that they would have been familiar with.




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