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I'm sorry, but it's not easy to reconfigure someone like this. They are the definition of brainwashed. You can even quote Jesus and how he explains the conditional nature of Israel , but usually it goes in one ear and out the other:

"Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth" - John 4:22,23.

Truly, the Scofield Bible and dispensationalism is the most successful heresy of all time. At least a billion adherents (living or dead) who have been willfully tricked into worshipping flesh and not the Spirit.

1) there's enough scriptural evidence to see the argument that Jews will turn to Christ in the end times - see Zechariah 12, ergo you can cut her some slack on her view

2) HOWEVER - the issue is that Jews are apostates in rejecting Christ and therefore are no better than anyone else who rejects Christ until AFTER Christ turns their hearts, if the zionist interpretation is true. It is not good to help anti Christs thrive, especially without evangelizing them. In that case, you're sending them all to hell because of your view of prophecy - it's selfish. Moreover, if it is prophecy, then it is God's will, and anything or anyone can do absolutely nothing to stop it from happening. Ergo, whether or not people live and die for Israel is irrelevant to God's plan. As John the Baptist said, God can make sins of Abraham out of stones.

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Turning to Christ is wonderful. But that's not what dispensationalism really is about. Jews don't really turn to Christ in that scheme, but build a "temple" and start sacrificing. Apparently the dispensationalist Jesus approves of this abomination.

Dispensationalism has no concept of the Lamb of God "who saves the sins of the world". They somehow think that there needs to be more sacrifices and his death wasn't good enough to redeem anyone.

Even worse and more to the point, they think that Christ's ministry was a failure and his crucifixion is merely a "Plan B". We're living in this "Plan B" dispensation as we speak, which dispensationalist call the Age of the Church. They push the idea that he always intended to be the warlord earthly Messianic character that Jews have waited for, but he failed.. That he wasn't prepared from Eternity to precisely be the Lamb of God, but was meant for something else. And when Jesus comes back, he becomes the Action Hero Messiah he always intended to be.

Basically, the whole Christ as Redeemer image - and pretty much everything the Church teaches about Christ - it's all a second thought to a dispensationalist.

This isn't about Jews becoming saved. It's about spitting on everything Christ was born for, and everything the Church has ever taught.