People need to stop thinking of souls as natural objects and sin and sacraments as magic.The current Catholic view of original sin is that it's a magic curse God put on Adam and Eve, allowed John to purge, and exempted Mary from. God does not work mag

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Christanon 04/28/19 (Sun) 15:13:31 2c4557 No.801850

People need to stop thinking of souls as natural objects and sin and sacraments as magic.

The current Catholic view of original sin is that it's a magic curse God put on Adam and Eve, allowed John to purge, and exempted Mary from. God does not work magic, He much grander and more subtle than that.

We need to recognize that God is vastly grander than anything our natural philosophy could imagine, and instead of trying to interpret everything He said in terms of natural claims about the natural world, recognize His philosophical and metaphorical arguments.

Sin is when we turn away from what God wants. Christ died because the Pharisees wanted to shut Him down for their own venal reasons and Pilate didn't do his job. Naturalists sound like they believe in karma when they say He paid our karmic debt.

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end.

Christanon 04/29/19 (Mon) 18:03:03 46a315 No.802221

> The current Catholic view of original sin is that it's a magic curse God put on Adam and Eve,

That's a silly view and not what Catholics are supposed to understand at all. Original sin is a representation of the concept of the original fall or turning away from God. When we, as Spirit, turned away from the All to exist in this material plane.

I personally don't believe there is anything reprobate in temporal existence away from the Father. The end result is we all return to him in the end.

The believe in the fall being a "sin" is mostly an artifact of savage small minded Jewish tradition.

Christanon 04/29/19 (Mon) 18:03:36 46a315 No.802223

>>802221

>The believe

belief

Christanon 04/29/19 (Mon) 19:06:47 42ecfc No.802241

>>802221

>Original sin is a representation of the concept of the original fall or turning away from God. When we, as Spirit, turned away from the All to exist in this material plane.

We were already of body and of spirit upon the creation of Adam and Eve, sin came about due to our parents disobeying God of their own free will through the temptation of the serpent.

Christanon 04/29/19 (Mon) 21:08:51 0da967 No.802270

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>>801850

>The current Catholic view of original sin is that it's a magic curse God put on Adam and Eve, allowed John to purge, and exempted Mary from.

If by "Catholic view" you mean "Thomistic view" because of how popular Thomism is in Latin Catholicism, then no, this is a wrong description, no matter how often it is claimed here that we believe this.

Rather, the first humans were created by God with special, supernatural graces given them by Him, graces that perfected them beyond what is merely naturally, without the help of Divine grace, possible for a human. As a result of their sin, they lost these graces, and since such graces were a free gift of God - God didn't owe them to Adam and Eve, or to any other human - their descendants don't have any right to them either. The particular grace whose absence we call "original sin" is sanctifying grace, with which man enters Heaven - one needs God's grace to enter Heaven, and even a sinless person wouldn't be able to enter it only through his own abilities, without special help of God. God instituted Baptism as a means through which He has decided to ordinarily give this grace.

Christanon 04/29/19 (Mon) 21:35:40 467699 No.802273

>>802221

>That's a silly view and not what Catholics are supposed to understand at all.

A+

> Original sin is a representation of the concept of the original fall or turning away from God. When we, as Spirit, turned away from the All to exist in this material plane.

F-, get outta here.

Christanon 04/30/19 (Tue) 07:07:07 abeb1e No.802410

>>802270

Never heard of Thomism being in conflict with Original Sin, which is an infallible doctrine anyway.

Christanon 04/30/19 (Tue) 17:21:10 749e6e No.802535

>>802270

So, it's not quite Calvinism, and is compatible with the Council of Trent's definition that justification comes through human cooperation with Divine grace.

But, if baptism grants SG, and Adam and Eve lost SG, could they have regained it through baptism? Could a man who has fallen away from SG regain it through rebaptism?

Christanon 04/30/19 (Tue) 17:29:13 749e6e No.802537

hot take: Baptism is a full indulgence given when an individual joins the Church community, and many people, I know some, who think they were baptized but were never raised Christian, should be eligible for baptism when I convince them to worship Jesus.