/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

Louis IX was the most Christ-like of the Latin monarchs.

>>793867

Wait…do we still consider deists Christians?

>>793868

No.

>>793868

He wasn't a deist. There's an extremely large effort by (((secularists))) to make it seem like the founders were non Christians by and large, with Washington being the biggest prize. He belonged to the Episcopal church before it was the cucked mess it is now.

>>793900

You mind giving me the sauce, boss? I want to learn more about the religious Life of George Washington. I wish not to be misinformed about him.

>>793915

>>793900

I second that. Would like to read a thing abou that

>>793916

>>794135

out

>>793915

>>793917

Read his letters. He was extremely private about his faith, which I think is due to the culture of his particular sect at the time. I think he's the type that wanted to show his faith through his actions and pray in private a la the sermon on the mount than the evangelical type, of which other founders were part of. Here's a fairly good summary on Washington's faith: https://christiananswers.net/q-wall/wal-g011.html

The guy certainly was not perfect, as many men in this thread, but a deist he was not.

>>794147

I would like to add that a great many of our greatest American men were outstanding men of Christ. I would argue better than many Europeans in terms of deed, as the latter usually kept concubines, had bastards, etc. while professing Christ. Honestly, it's phenomenal to read about them. For example, Andrew Jackson, while not exactly a Christian during his presidency, became an ardent believer later in his life, and it's incredibly admirable how this changed him as a man. He went from a proud, impulsive, ambitious man to a man who would humble himself frequently, like turning down the leadership of his congregation AFTER being president of the nation because he thought he did not have the knowledge to hold such a prestigious and important position. America was and is deep inside a great and pious nation who longs for Christ as a lost child longs for his mother. It's very sad to see it die such a pathetic death, like seeing a great man in a ditch after hitting the meth train for the day. I pray that we find our way back

>>794147

>>794154

still a mason though, like most founding fathers..that is undeniable. Glad andrew jackson turned from his past ways, but say, Benjamin Franklin seemed to be a staunch deist. Ultimately they still founded the secular freemasonic american empire, that plagues us until this very day. Death to america.

>>794159

for shame.

There’s some just terrible takes in this thread.

>Gustavus Adolphus

>William III

>Oliver Cromwell

>Ivan IV

>>794167

What's wrong with Gustavus Adolphus?

>>794191

Could have to do with the fruits of his legacy. Case in point:

https://onenewsnow.com/church/2019/04/07/church-of-sweden-lgbtq-kids-guide-jesus-queer

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2019/april/the-swedish-church-creates-lgbtq-view-of-the-bible-for-children-identifies-jesus-as-queer

On top of his intervention of the 30 years war that helped shatter Christendom. No doubt he was a good military leader, but it cost Europe and Sweden it's future.

>>794191

His military success against the Catholics obviously didn't do Sweden any favors

>>794192

>Could have to do with the fruits of his legacy

Considering the state of Western Europe in general, the fruits of his legacy aren't particularly unique. And the 30 years and the shattering of Christendom was well under way before he got involved. Gustavus' soldiers at least were the only ones that weren't going around looting and raping, which was entirely because of his Christian convictions.

>>794195

Again, look at France, the first daughter of the Catholic Church. How is it any different than Sweden today? The Catholic countries suffered the same fate as the Protestant ones.

>>794192

>Could have to do with the fruits of his legacy. Case in point:

As opposed to the totally pious catholic countries like France, Spain, Italy, Portugal, or any Latin American nation, right?

>On top of his intervention of the 30 years war that helped shatter Christendom.

>catholic kings start killing protestants

>protestants fight back and win

>why are you evil prots destroying europe ;_;

>>794197

>Again, look at France, the first daughter of the Catholic Church. How is it any different than Sweden today?

France still has a Catholic presence and a sense that something is wrong, see the Yellow Vest riots. Sweden is completely folded, however. Don't even have a church to fall back on.

>>794198

>As opposed to the totally pious catholic countries like France, Spain, Italy, Portugal, or any Latin American nation, right?

They're still better off than Sweden, arguably.

google "swedish religion rates"

first thing you see "religion in sweden is diversified". also, islam has more presence than the Catholics.

>>794201

oh, it's actually "sweden religion rates", it does actually differ lol

I was wondering why a bunch of anons leapt to bite my ear off, and it's because Sweden is majority Lutheran. Look how good that turned out to be.

>>794199

>They're still better off than Sweden, arguably

France has outlawed criticism of abortion and allowed a grown man to have a sexual relationship with an 11 year old. It's just as bad.

>>794204

France has people rioting in the street and a strong conservative reaction. Sweden has…SWEDEN YES!

>>794207

>France has people rioting in the street and a strong conservative reaction

Because they didn't like want to pay a tax. Apparently taxes are worse than pedophilia in the mind of your average Frenchman.

>>794209

You missed the guy calling Macron "a whore of the Jews".

>>794211

>Yeah, so much better.

It is better, my point was that Islam is larger than the Catholics in Sweden. Now, all Sweden has left for a shield is Luther…some shield!

>The most "conservative" candidate france had only got 21% of the vote, and she's supports islamic immigrants and gays, while also banning "racists" from her party.

I'll pray for Sweden if you pray for France. deal?

>>794199

>the Yellow Vest riots are proof of Catholic presence in France

What?

>>794169

>Inbred freaks

Ew no

>>794259

I'm being ironic, new friend.

>>794261

>ID-hopping

Why?

>>794249

They were ugly yes, but good devout leaders.

>>794262

Phoneposting

>>794249

Not an argument.

>>794263

Not devout enough to seek healthy marriages.

>>794266

Mortal sin kept the bloodline alive.

>>794281

pretty sure it isnt black and white as that

>>794284

>When your family tree is a Celtic knot

kek

but the thing is, did the church do anything about it? they were permitted to marry.

>>794281

Not all Habsburgs were Spanish Habsburgs.

>>794297

True

>>794284

Charles II is like the punchline of a running joke after you look at the faces in that family tree

>>794323

>revolutionary pawn of jews that destroyed europe

great christian ruler

>>793916

What a thicc man.

>>794327

There's nothing Christian about the Jacobins whom he joined first. They literally outlawed Christianity, disemboweled priests in gruesome ways and killed entire crowds of Christians by mass execution drowning. Even children. And when some royal followers finally got tired of the degeneracy and wanted to fight back, Napoleon used tactics that were cruel even to the Jacobins in his day.. he fired cannons directly into crowds.

That he finally let Catholicism back in doesn't say much, just by that very pic of him and the pope, yanking the crown for himself. He exalted himself above the church and crowned himself. That's a dead giveaway of what he was: He "Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

He was "an" antichrist.

And like all antichrists, he went straightway towards attacking Orthodox Christianity (Russia), like the next one will. And like Nero did before them all. Another dead giveaway, just so you know next time.

>>794284

>Biblical moral law is always black and white.

Thank God for the Church's ban on cousin marriage to the sixth degree and the Hajnal line.

>>794386

The Jews also thought Napolean was the Messiah for a while.

>>794164

>death to America

>is one of the main places that allows for the freedom of religion under law

Ok, take a vacation to North Korea- it’s way better over there!

>>794234

Catholicism is extraordinarily pro-worker and pro-union.

>>794410

To be honest what I've read about her shift of religious views in his last year's was very touching.

>>794386

i know about all that, i was being ironic

>>794412

>Is either X or Y

C'mon, we can do better than that. Every christian should pray for the fall of the american empire, or that it at least gets christianized.

>>794412

>implying that freedom of religion is a good thing

>>794461

Funny because America is more christian than Europe.

The death of America means the death of Christianity for the white men.

GOod riddance I say.

>>794517

>Funny because America is more christian than Europe.

But America spreads its degeneracy more than any other government.

>The death of America means the death of Christianity for the white men.

Im more talking about the government, really. Would christianity in North america die if the american government collapsed?

>>794520

>But America spreads its degeneracy more than any other government.

It has more christians per capita than Europe.

>Im more talking about the government, really. Would christianity in North america die if the american government collapsed?

Don't think so tbh.

>>794515

God gave us free will, didn’t He?

>>794529

Just because we can use our free will to allow religious relativism doesn't mean we should.

>>793872

/thread

Without this guy Christianity would've remained a small sect. Constantine is the prerequisite of everyone else in this thread.

>>794554

Obviously we should try and convert people and put them in the right path, but that doesn’t mean to force it upon them.

>>794599

The church has always had blasphelmy laws, what you are speaking of is the error of liberalism. Countries should be married to the church, not whores who believe whatever. It is incorrect to think "productivity" and "common interests" is more important the true faith.

>>794576

Only reason people actually care about this moron is that he was killed by commies.

Every Russian emperor since Peter I belong to >>>/trash/ for what they did to Russian Orthodox Church

And he wasn't great either in any sense considering that he plunged Russia in needless war and his shitty rule resulted in revolution

>>794667

Mad Monarchist wrote a good summary on both:

https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2012/07/monarch-profile-king-baudouin-of.html

https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2010/11/monarch-profile-blessed-emperor-charles.html

>>794603

>>794620

True points for both of you, but if we force religion on people, there are consequences for that too. Even if you’re Catholic, it’s undeniable that there was corruption when they were in power in Europe. Not all was bad, but forcing a single thought unto people is a dangerous idea- Communism being an example

>>794662

Because modern day republics relatively newly gained popularity, so we don't have a large timeframe yet. Plus Christendom was more United back then and political map was more diverse, so there was much larger pool of population to take from.

Plus Roman and Byzantine empires were practically stratocratic republics as well, elective dictatorships to be exact. Hereditary Monarchy was practically an anathema for Roman worldview, hence why concept of co-emperor existed, so that the office wouldn't technically be vacant (though it didn't always work)

P.S. just for note: oldest continuous Republic is San Marino, founded by Saint Martin and First president of the Republic of Cyprus was archbishop Macarius III, who was ironically better at maintaining balance with Mud minority in North, than its successors who overthrew him, which resulted in t*Rk invading the island.

>>795002

No because modern day republics are cucked and liberal, and it's leaders are chosen by the (((oligarchs))), and they usually are either zionist tools or marxist subversives.

>>795114

>Basil "Let's kill fellow Christian Bulgarians and Georgians instead of reconquering lands from mudslimes" Macedon

Let us spit on his image. tfu…

>>794863

/thread

>>794386

Best post. Napoleon Was no Model Christian Ruler. There is the letter he wrote on St Helena, where he repents, which take it either way, i hope Napoleon Genuinely repented and admitted to all his wrongs. Within his Catholic Teaching, And i'm not Catholic, but better than some Rationalism/Quasi Deism of, My will power over all which was what most of Napoleons Military and Governmental Career was.

>>795199

He did repent on his death bed and received last rites.

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