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>>791594

>why didn't Poland shatter Christianity into thousands of pieces like a good goy?

Because Poland knows Chirst's Church and doesn't want it to fall to hereitic scum.

more Christian than the Catholic Church

>the church christ founded isn’t christian enough lemme do my own thing that will be more christian than the church christ founded

>left Bohemia

Bohemia was the one who turned their back on Christendom not the other way around.

>Is there even a good theological reason for it, or just simple cuckoldry and betrayal?

Maybe it’s the hussites that were going into apostasy and schism and the crown didn’t want to drag poland down into heresy.

>>791624

>Maybe it’s the hussites that were going into apostasy and schism and the crown didn’t want to drag poland down into heresy.

You don't seem to understand, the Four Articles of Prague were conditions under which the Hussites would've returned to the Roman Catholic Church. The Hussites didn't want to schism, they wanted the Catholic Church to embrace Christian principles.

>>791626

>The Hussites didn't want to schism

Getting into holy wars with the church is a very weird way to prevent schism

>>791627

They were attacked by the papists, not the other way around.

>>791628

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussite_Wars

>>791628

>being this much of a historical revisionist

>>791633

Read the Wiki article. Hussites expelled the Catholics, Catholics came back with an army and started killing them. Hussites left the city, Catholics chased them and got rekt (Battle of Sudoměř). Then some politics happened and the Pope called a crusade against them.

>>791594

What's even worse is that the C*tholic church and their inbred kings directly caused the extreme atheism in the Czech republic today with their forced "re-conversion".

>>791635

>hussites dindu nuffin

>they just rioted and killed people they good bois on the way to church

>>791637

pretty sure it's the collapsing western culture that did it

>>791594

>(1) freedom of preaching;

Well, given the hussites, that would have been a blank check for heresy.

Otherwise it's kinda reasonable, barring 3.

t.orthodox

>>791705

>In contrast to the popular perception that Hus was a proto-Protestant, some Eastern Orthodox Christians have argued that his theology was far closer to Eastern Orthodox Christianity. Jan Hus is considered as a martyr saint in some jurisdictions of the Orthodox Church.[26] The Czechoslovak Hussite Church claims to trace its origin to Hus, to be "neo-Hussite", and contains mixed Eastern Orthodox and Protestant elements. Hus has forever left his impact as a man whose life, teachings and beliefs transformed the church.

>>792432

> some Eastern Orthodox Christians have argued that his theology was far closer to Eastern Orthodox Christianity

Well I would like to see that. And I doubt Orthos go around translating wycliffe who is a basically protestant.

>is considered as a martyr saint in some jurisdictions of the Orthodox Church.

Of course because prots and orthos tend to team up in their hatred towards catholicism. Hus basically used sola scriptura before it was made cool by Luther. Making him a "saint" is preposterous. As making communist collaborants saints. But I am not surprised anymore.

>>792462

>Sigh, one of these days the East will come Home to Rome and Christendom will be united once more. Pray for them.

We were occupied by the Turks for 500 years and we didn't submit to the Pope. Now with Russia we're doing better than ever, and you're doing worse than ever with all your kiddie diddling scandals, moral decay and plummeting birth rates. If anything, the West will become Orthodox.

>>792837

>Now with Russia we're doing better than ever

I love how LARPers defend this "Holy Russia" reverie with bared teeth. There is a huge diference between a society that has degraded (the West) and one that never amounted to anything in the first place (Russia). The Putin worship in particular is really pathetic and is dependent on extremely recent events interpreted very selectively. None of these Putinites know where Russia is going to be in ten years and virtually all of them ignore the extent of Putin's own corruption and hypocrisy. They simply don't care, they hear about the Russian Orthodox Church and see staged he-man photos and snap into a fetal position. They want the feelgood assurance that if we only had the right leaders things would be okay. Take a closer look at Russia. They are still far below replacement rate for births, even with a recent uptick from suicidally low TFR, and rely on immigration to pick up the slack. The average Russian woman has an abortion during the normal course of life–down from a staggering three abortions per woman in the 90s. Russian women could fill an ocean with the blood running from between their legs. Imagine if every woman you knew had either had an abortion or was soon going to have one.

Until recently Russian women were trying at all costs to get Americans to marry them and take them to a country where they couldn't speak the language and had no friends because life in Russia was so bleak. You don't see a lot of traffic in the other direction. Russians are also massive alcoholics–alcoholism is so severe there that it's blamed for some of the population decline. As for crime, liberals and Europeans always tell us how violent America is due to various social justice deficiencies, but somehow Russia, with a much higher level of homogenity has double our homicide rate. But at least you can pray in the Orthodox Church that Putin nominally supports. It's easy for Westerners, particularly those who are disgruntled because their political ideas remain on the fringe, to make a few superficial comparisons with Russia and decide they're not so bad. The grass is always greener. I don't spare much criticism for American culture but I'm not about to pack my bags for Moscow–I'd sooner live in an American prison than in a Russian city.

>>792837

>plummeting birth rates

Ortho countries aren't really doing fine in that regard.

>>792853

Ireland will probably decrease, they just legalized infanticide. France is an anomaly… maybe because of all the immigrants?

>>792837

>w with Russia we're doing better than ever

lol

>>792462

Well I see now. This Hus business along with similar cases start to open my eyes in this respect. There is no consistency/ On one hand orthos will pick fun of prots that they are heretics, when it comes to it theywill claim that "Hus was basically orthodox" in belief.

Do not trust me? go click on the article in the source in wikipedia the annotation 26. There is an article with the most absurd revisionism one can come up with.

>Is this the invisible church unity? the peter's rock?

>>792843

>I'd sooner live in an American prison than in a Russian city.

Dumbest thing I've read on this board in a year.

>>793142

Orthodox countries have half the world's nukes. The last time Orthodoxy was this powerful was with Emperor Justinian. While I agree that there's still a lot of work to be done, the difference is that Orthodoxy is in principle capable of standing on it's own feet militarily and defending itself from threats (USA), thus it is also capable of having it's own culture free from foreign influence.

An Orthodox military-economic alliance across Eastern Europe with strong Orthodox values is a very real possibility, whereas a Catholic alliance isn't. You will always be a bitch of Judeo-Liberal culture.

>>793168

yeah it would be nice if communism did not screw up the europe but what can you do.

>You will always be a bitch of Judeo-Liberal culture.

sure man. Because soviet union was in fact crypto christian right?

I am not saying Russia is necessarily bad…but you overestimate the trad position of her. And you underestimate Europe a lot.

>An Orthodox military-economic alliance across Eastern Europe with strong Orthodox values is a very real possibility

You mean ukraine, romania and bulgaria?

Because Hungary, Czech republic Slovakia and Poland are Catholic.

Baltic states are not exactly Orthodox either.

>>793174

>You mean ukraine, romania and bulgaria?

Russia, Romania, Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria. Such an Orthodox Union would be a pretty comfy to live in, and half as big as the EU, with an even greater economic potential because of Russia's vast resources.

>>793168

Russia is developing so it should be considered by the standards of what, Latin America? This may be news to you but it will always be "developing"–that's the euphemism for people who could not develop a modern, functioning society. And why don't we compare Russia to say, the rest of Asia? Yes, Japan, South Korea, or even China. China has a homicide rate 1/4 ours, meaning Russia's is almost ten times higher–a good indication of native criminality and Godlessness that will forestall any serious maturity. Their economy is entirely dependent on what they pump out of the ground and strip mine. And that makes them entirely dependent on Western economies–witness their deep recession in 2008, caused by our recession. If the Western economy really collapses, Russia will become a giant sinkhole of mass poverty and crumbling cities, that much is certain. It will make Chernobyl look like Disneyworld. If the Western economy doesn't collapse, then Russians will just keep selling off their non-renewable resources until they have nothing left, and then they'll become a giant sinkhole of mass poverty and crumbling cities.

That you believe Russia is on the ascent must be the product of puting too much faith in Putin. (Who himself is beholden to his crony oligarchs.) In 100 years there may not be much of a Russia left–their total fertility rate is estimated at 1.5 or 1.6, most likely just a rebound before it sinks back to 1.3 or 1.4, so like much of Europe it faces demographic crisis and increasing de-Russification by way of immigration to shore up the declining population. When you look at the fundamentals it is absurd to regard Russia's future as hopeful. Their only hope would be the country breaking up further because I do not think that Slavs can cope with that much territory. As for the criticism of the current warhawk USA, I wish you'd relax your grip on it. It's obviously a coping mechanism, a dog you can conveniently kick and blame for all our problems, which are more correctly assigned to various sociological and structural changes.

>>793174

Ignore him, he has the fanciful view of Slavs that many Westerners fall into. And let's not forget that most of Catholic Europe (Bavaria, Poland, Italy, Croatia, et all) genuinely have lower rates of premarital sex, abortion, and contraceptive use, whereas all the BASTE Orthodox countries have sky-high rates of abortion and homicide.

>>793181

>Russia will become a giant sinkhole of mass poverty and crumbling cities

>and then they'll become a giant sinkhole of mass poverty and crumbling cities.

>I do not think that Slavs can cope with that much territory.

>As for the criticism of the current warhawk USA, I wish you'd relax your grip on it.

Wow, just imagine being that much of an anti-Russia shill. One day Russia is hacking your elections and taking over your society, the next day it "can't handle territory". You people really need to make up your minds.

I for one have faith in Russia and the Orthodox people. They beat you in the space race with only 1/4 of your economy, remember? And they defeated the greatest Empires the world had ever seen, Mongol, French, Nazi. Meanwhile America is brimful with degeneracy and racemixing and it won't make it past its 300th birthday, despite having an ideal geography and unlimited resources.

>>793224

>memes

>>793179

Serbia is not exactly eastern europe but whatever, neither is Greece.

>>793224

>I am a Slav, and my people are not any less capable than Westerners,

I am a Slav too. But I do not fancy the "holy russia" meme even though I tend to like russia. I am skeptic about memes. Also slavs have strong sides as well as their vices and weaknesses…as any other ethnic group.

>>793214

>Meanwhile America is brimful with degeneracy and racemixing and it won't make it past its 300th birthday, despite having an ideal geography and unlimited resources.

Americanism is a worse form of bolshevism. It is more subversive. The last thing I would stand for is America. But that does not make Russia holy.

We will also disagree about the "greatness of patriotic war". I do not think wwii helped Russia or Europe.

Historical autism aside. Russia does build mosques, they have civic nationalism over there, not real nationalism. Abortion is also rampant. I am in no way anti russian/anti slav but I would be more careful with outright claims of some "great eastern european alliance" First we are too divided right now to form such a thing. Second Russia has hard time coming to terms with ukraine in the first place since they will not let their stalinist myth at all costs. This apparently will not help the relationship in the long run. And no….not everything bewteen those two countries is a "western shill plot" Russia criminalizing historical revisionism of "muh patriotic war" and their attitude towards Ukrainians is not a western plot. It is a superiority complex of russians, some of them seem to think they have right to govern over a sovereign nation.

>You will always be a bitch of Judeo-Liberal culture.

After one hundred years of being bitch to jewish bolshevism, screwing up the europe and larping about it I do not think the first stone should be thrown from this direction.

No offense but you seem to fall into a false dichotomy of "russia or anti-russia" "putin or antiputin" "western or eastern".

The same materialism that governed Russia before "the revolution" governs the America. Bolshevism and capitalism are the two sides of the same materialist coin. And to be honest I do not see that much of a difference after the fall of the union except of some minor revival of faith.

>>793480

Yeah, no one is perfect…and we should admit our shortcomings and even the poisonous forms of denials which come from arrogance and spoiled pride in our people (which does not mean we should not be able to appreciate who we are and where we come from, but should put always God’s glory first)

t. Mediterranean guy

>>792853

I can speak for Poland, it's partly because of communist propaganda. Women were encouraged to get an education and a good job as part of the "both sexes are equal" myth.