How are marriage and holy orders sacraments?

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How are marriage and holy orders sacraments? Christanon 03/27/19 (Wed) 23:39:54 1a59a2 No.789191

Baptism, confirmation, eucharist, and reconciliation are mandatory for Catholics. Everyone’s called to do these, you can’t have a “vocation” to not take communion.

On the other hand, not only can you be a good Catholic while not being married or clergy, but also you can’t do both. Shouldn’t you be able, or even required, to do all seven sacraments?

Christanon 03/27/19 (Wed) 23:50:24 aed852 No.789195

The original priests DID marry. The prohibition against marriage was almost certainly a way to build the wealth of the church

Christanon 03/27/19 (Wed) 23:51:28 794676 No.789196

>>789195

https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/bible-celibacy-saint-paul/

Christanon 03/27/19 (Wed) 23:56:52 f20b48 No.789197

>>789195

Yes. The spiritual wealth of the church :^)

Christanon 03/28/19 (Thu) 00:02:25 bec71a No.789198

>>789195

That’s not even the main issue thought. You can’t be a good Catholic and not receive communion. You can be a good catholic and not be married or a clergyman. So how are they sacraments?

I am OP my IP reset

Christanon 03/28/19 (Thu) 00:16:02 9ef823 No.789200

>>789195

Early in the Church there were problems with nepotism in the selection of Bishops and the fact that small parishes can't really afford to support a priest and his family. That is the practical argument. While it's true that clerical celibacy is a discipline, not a doctrine (set in stone), it is still an important part of the Church, especially when liberals are clamoring to tear it down. What most people don't understand about canon law is that any minister, priest or deacon, married or not, is called to clerical continence (that means no sex at all). I believe when the married diaconate was re-allowed back in the middle of the 20th century, deacons were encouraged to be older since there would be no touchy-touchy with the wife. Wives needed to give their consent to this too. The last thing the Church needs to do right now is give in to the modern idea that sex is paramount. There is also the issue that many parishes are in debt and can barely afford to run themselves, much less support the priest's family.

Christanon 03/28/19 (Thu) 00:39:33 f20b48 No.789205

>>789200

Deacons don't have sex with their wives? That's kinda weird

Christanon 03/28/19 (Thu) 02:22:52 a05e82 No.789231

>>789196

>most holy memestery

lol

Christanon 03/28/19 (Thu) 05:02:50 1ae987 No.789274

The two ordinances are baptism and the Lord's supper.

Christanon 03/28/19 (Thu) 05:22:21 e0ff74 No.789278

>>789196

cringe

Christanon 03/28/19 (Thu) 05:27:57 3f763c No.789280

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>>789191

Roma locuta est, causa finita est

Christanon 03/28/19 (Thu) 07:11:00 5e2d5f No.789313

>>789198

Because seven is a nice number. So they included enough things on the list to get to seven.

Christanon 03/28/19 (Thu) 17:49:19 c57895 No.789441

>>789191

They are sacraments because they were raised to that dignity by Christ. The sacraments of the Old Law were not efficacious for salvation, but the new ones are; marriage and Holy Orders are not necessary for salvation but they do provide sanctifying grace (which is why it’s a mortal sin to contract marriage while you’re in a state of mortal sin!).

Christanon 03/28/19 (Thu) 17:51:36 510fb9 No.789443

>>789191

Only baptism and the Lord's supper are sacraments

Christanon 03/28/19 (Thu) 17:52:35 510fb9 No.789444

>>789441

>The sacraments of the Old Law were not efficacious for salvation

Hebrews says they were