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>>788687

>Supercedes Theosis

How can anything supercede union with God?

Do you think communion is a means of theosis?

No.

>>788700

Yes, well the further you go along your spiritual path the more powerful and profound communion and adoration is. If you're seriously trying to progress on the spiritual path then I believe daily communion is useful and beneficial. I mean at the least it means you sort of have to stay out of mortal sin which is good in itself, but there is a lot more to it. I remember a homily a priest gave and he said there was some French King or other European country and he was very successful and he would go to Mass twice a day.

>>788685

I'm not a Catholic but I don't see why you say this. Going to Mass sometimes, talking with Catholic priests, and reading about Catholicism online, you guys seem to have a concept of theosis as much as we do. There certainly seems to be a lack of recognition that we have communion with Christ outside of the 7 sacraments though, but theosis by itself is a central and prominent doctrine of Catholicism.

>>788685

>But Theosis only seems to be emphasised in the Orthodox Church and we Catholics don't really have it.

Honestly one of the reasons Orthodox speaks to me more than the other sects.

its called the pursuit of the beatific vision. Your average parish is full of the lay which for them just taking communion is sufficient in their spiritual life.

>>788726

I don't think Theosis is anywhere near as prominent. Maybe that's just my experiences though.

>>788732

I agree about it speaking more to me too. Out of curiosity, what are the other reasons you speak of?

>>788759

theosis is a theological term sprung from Orthodoxy within the last 1,000 years of schism, expecting the Church to have this eastern orthodox conception is silly

we could ask why the Orthodox do not respect the "beatific vision", and it's really the same situation

>>788696

I mean in terms of what is more often taught, not in terms of actual precedence. That’s why I used the conditioned the statements with “unfairly”

>>788685

Catholicism is the true Church but is covered in filth and fluff because the masses can not appreciate the fine things of God, and need spiritual milk. As soon as you get past ti by knowing the faith well, you find that we not only have it, but we have the same beliefs and more about it. Begin your mystic journey with mental prayer and recitation of the Divine Names, and you'll see. Read the Saints about it too.

>>788685

we have theosis (sometimes called Divinization) but we didn't have a big controversy about it in the west like what happened with barlaam and palamas so it never came became as prominent.

>>788868

Hope and pray the rosary every day to shoo the modernism away.

>>788857

>>788927

How do I get the Catholic perspective on it? Like how important do you guys see Theosis?

>>789014

https://forums.catholic.com/t/theosis-and-catholicism/169618/5

>>788939

>pompous

Well he's a Catholic.

>>789154

Placing intellectualism above spirituality is the opposite of religion.

>>789202

it's faith and reason not pride and prelest ok

>>788685

>how do you do, fellow Catholics?

What do you guys think of Asceticism as a means of achieving Theosis?

>>788782

This notion comes from the church fathers, and saint augustine is one of those who taught deification. This concept is better and the loss of it is severe while orthobros still have the notion of participation or the patristic theology of image to conceive the beatific vision.

>>788857

>more about it

What is it ? clues if you don't want to give pearls to pigs ?

>mental prayer and recitation of the Divine Names

What is this ?

>>790016

The same as the Tradition and monks.