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Translating from my catechism…

<Indecency, the sin against love and against the self

>It is the seeking of carnal pleasure without love, without the definitive gift of the self to the other; it is the sin against the flesh (and not the sin of the flesh, as some improperly say). It is the sin of one who "sins against his own body" (1 Corinthians 6:18), who sins against love, who, in one way or another, desecrates love and therefore desecrates communion with God because God is Love (1 John 4:16). Therefore the one who desecrates love rejects God,"for God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness. Therefore he who rejects this (that is, the sanctification of love) does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit" (1 Thessalonians 4:7-8) . . . "Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not! Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For 'the two,' He says, 'shall become one flesh.' . . . Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body." (1 Corinthians 6:15-20)

>>787016

So sex need love as a requisite for not being a sin?

can cohabitation work?

I think it's easier to understand if you see how porn makes victims out of it's participants as well.. and we should feel bad for partaking in that. Maybe some don't see themselves as victims, but they are nonetheless.

>>787018

Sexual immorality is sinful because it means that you do not seek your sustenance from God, and you do not walk the path of repentance, but rather you seek your sustenance from your own fallen flesh and you do not complete yourself as a person by having a relationship of selfless love with another person (as it is in the Holy Trinity). By cutting yourself off from God and from other people, you cannot be truly human and a person.

>can cohabitation work?

Sex is holy and if you are not sacramentally married you necessarily live in sin. To have sex without being married is like to have communion without being baptized.

>>787018

Anon, EVERYTHING needs love for it not to be a sin. Love is other focused only. Masturbation is especially bad because it is so completely antagonist to everything that love means and IS . Aside from that , think about what causes pornographers , and those women that you are looking now at , to go into that room and do that on camera. Do you think the people producing porn are the ones causing you to look at it? No, it’s the other way around. The demand for it causes it to be produced. Both parties are bad, but looking st which is worse the producers or the ones demanding the production… demand is worse. If you are looking at it, you are contributing to the demand for it, and causing people to do things that will destroy their lives. And you will also hate yourself. They will hate themselves. No love is produced. The girls are often the most innocent party involved. The producers are next most, and the people demanding it are worst by far. Les Miserables has a very excellent depiction of the guilty side. Read that book and reflect on where you yourself stand in relation to cosette. lust is truly a terrible and pernicious little demon.

What do you think the lives of those women are like?

>>787034

>There is a reason why God wants sex to be only for procreation

This is not Catholic teaching. Stop falseflagging.

What do you think they feel like leaving a set?

How many abortions and STIs do you think porn is responsible for?

>>787057

Sex isn't "only for procreation" with the unitive aspect being basically a secondary side effect.

If that is really what Catholics think…

>>787129

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said it was secondary.

>>787034

Who are you to be calling people degenerates when you pray the rosary?

>>787009

cope

>>787129

The unitive aspect is itself a form of procreation. Procreation is the generation of life, not necessarily of children.

>>787141

You wouldn't know the power it has because you follow the traditions of man over Jesus' Church.

You have no right to call me a degenerate because your traditions made the world into what it is, turboprot.

A Godless Babylon that celebrates sodomy and encourages baby murder.

>>787196

REKT

>>787009

Lust is driven by fear, fear mainly that you are unlovable, fear is of evil. It means that you are still busy taking thought for the morrow (Matthew 6:34). The extent that it is all about fear is quite shocking; your reptile brain is basically urging you to steal while subtly reminding you that you aren't worthy of a woman.

Persist in avoiding it, and one day you will see

>>787009

Research the porn industry, and you’ll become far to redpilled to use it.

>>787242

Has the NoFap movement even made a dent in their revenue?

>>787240

That was helpful, anon, thank you for that. If you have made it out of this, I (and I think many others as well) would very much appreciate reading about how you did it. If you have the time, maybe you could write a bit about how you accomplished this and what worked for you in a journal / word doc / pdf or some such and post it in the thread stickies to the top of the catalog. This is a serious problem, and lust holds immense power over a lot of us. It’s wrecking many of us. Some success stories and encouragement , or tidbits (of bread?) you picked up in your own path upward and out would be very useful. The very fact that that thread has to be stickied is alone proof enough of how terrible and real the problem is. It’s destroying us and it’s ravaging the church, also. Your path out would be very useful to hear and to read and to learn from. Have mercy on us, brother, the multitudes of us have come a long way… and we are starving. If you got some of that bread, break some off for us, Jesus will surely multiply it! God speed, brother!

Nothing is a sin that isn't bad for you. Masturbation to pornography is harmful, and this is backed up by data. Most people deny this data, but it's mostly out of a desire to continue on a hedonist lifestyle. The two most damning statistics are these: People born after the early 80s, those being the ones for whom internet pornography was available at a young age:

Have about a 1000% increase in incidence of precocious erectile dysfunction (erectile dysfunction before age 45). People who quit porn tend to see their erectile dysfunction completely cured within two to five years (much sooner if they completed puberty before beginning pornography use).

Have seen a sharp increase in intestinal injuries resulting from anal sex found in straight women. When asked why a straight couple would have anal sex, the most common response was that they just assumed that's what people did. When pressed, most women find it uncomfortable or even painful, while most men don't really enjoy it more than actual sex. They just pretend they do because it's 'normal.'

Don't do it, anon. I made it all the way to the altar without masturbating, and as hard as it was, I don't regret it.

>>787034

>nocternal emissions.

I wouldn't really include this, m8. Nocturnal emissions are a natural way for your body to release excess semen built up. Despite this, whenever I feel the "release" during my sleep, I try to stop it regardless. I too have been released from the shackles of pornography and masturbation, thank God. It's almost been a year, and I have never felt more happier. I have been afflicted with this disease of the mind since I discovered masturbation when I was a young lad.

>>787468

Well, when you put it like that…

In all seriousness I have only been out of this frying pan for a week. It's Saturday, so it's been 6 days. The thing which made me understand though is giving up for lent. I fell after 5 days, and it only got worse from there, and I merely consoled myself that most of the time, I did not watch porn, for that is to indirectly abuse others, so I reasoned. Really I'm not worthy of praise for it, it comes on the heels of too much sin.

Anyway, I do have a trick or two by grace. So when I was younger, my parents moved us around a lot; we were fairly poor, of course when I was little I never knew it, but we had to sell up and move every so often. House flipping was what it was. This was painful and my brother always hated it; because with every move there were memories attached to the things we had accumulated, and some of them had to go (the same occasionally happened at spring cleanings, and so forth). At first, it was hard to look at the old toy you remember, but never play with, and throw it in the garbage or give it to the poor, but when I had stuffed it in the black garbage bag, suddenly I felt better; released from bondage to the past as it were.

This attitude was with me this lent; you see, I began to treat habits this way as I was building up to lent 2 weeks beforehand. I wanted to take lent seriously, and I felt that I needed to spend time beforehand fighting myself if I wanted to keep my vows. Also I got ashed for the first time too. So at any rate, I ditched drinking before lent, then I threw out the one cigar I had kept without smoking it, I also uninstalled all my video games. All of this I treated like I used to treat the old toys that my parents said "had to go" except in this case it was another Parent, who had told me that these habits "had to go." And just like I did not grumble about the lost toy, but felt freed from the past, I took this same grace and did likewise with my habits.

>>787009

god hates everything that makes you happy

>>787527

>>787468

At any rate, when I found that lust was more resistant to such persuasion, I set about figuring out why. Why is this sin harder to throw in the trash than the others?

Well, it's because Darwin of course sexual desire is by nature demanding, but Darwin is for animals, God is for humans. But this brings us to another point; nature might be about sex, but God is love, notice by this how closely nature mirrors God, yet how different He is from it. A higher and more intimate reality is revealed through Him. Therefore succumbing to lust begs one to ask why you find it necessary to take the low road over the high road?

The answer I think you'll find is fear based on a primal desire to steal and rape (all sex in nature seems to be rape by a human standard). Clearly your lower brain is still thinking of a world in which taking more than 2 minutes doing the deed is liable to get you eaten by something bigger and badder than you, or a world in which betas have to skulk around waiting for opportunistic sex, when the alpha of the pack is out hunting. These are fears which should only be shared nowadays by adulterers, lel.

>>787548

I used to stay away from all sexual sin, when I was in the phase of natural contemplation. Sadly I've fallen off pretty bad in recent months.

Either way, I had no nocturnal emissions. Those would only happen when I would feel aroused in my sleep, but thanks to the prayers of the saints I ceased to have any sorts of lustful thoughts, and therefore I ceased to have nocturnal emissions. I didn't have nocturnal emissions for about a year before I feel into sin again. Don't listen to those who say that nocturnal emissions are normal or not sinful.

>>787529

Fapping doesn't make you happy. It makes you apathetic, tired, uninspired and depressed. It also makes you feel condemned of course.

>>787548

This. The rosary kills everything in me too. It doenst make me "sterile" or lose my libido and natural attraction of course, but it keeps me away from sin.

>>787245

I heard them trying to defame nofap like crazy

>>787680

Lmao, I remember that. (((They))) were all like:

>its totally healthly to fap guis

>only ebil fashists do NoFap guis

>liking incest **rn is totally natural and not a forces trend guis

>>787548

Aquinas says wet dreams are not sinful, even if they are brought on by erotic dreams, as they happen when a man is robbed of reason. However, they may be caused by sinful actions. If you're having wet dreams because you're looking at porn and having sexual fantasies, that is bad, but it will occasionally happen, regardless.

If you're trying to go on nofap, consider it progress. You consciously refrained from fapping for so long that your body had to sneak one in on you while you slept.