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Um let see:

1. Defrock and excommunicate all priests, bishops or otherwise, who are sodomites, modernists or heterodox in any respect.

2. End communion in hand, and all liturgical abuses, as well as promote Latin and the Extraordinary form.

3. Decree hard preaching from the pulpit against modern immoralities, like sodomy, fornication, birth control, transgenderism, divorce etc…

4. Invoke my Papal infallibility and dogmatically define retribution as an essential part of God's Justice. Change the Catechism to support the death penalty for capital crimes.

5. Support an underground Catholic Church is China.

6. Write a paper addressing the Western World against mass immigration, anti-White racism, libertinism, the excesses of capitalism, secularism/atheism and religious indifferentism.

7. Start an effort to re-Christianize the West.

8. Suppress the Jesuits and bring back inquisitors.

Oh and I forgot.

9. Excommunicate all "catholic" politicians and other public figures who do not espouse Church teachings and instead support things like abortion.

>>785890

You have my vote on everything, except for the Latin rite promotion. I'll never understand the desire for it. Just like I don't understand Jews who think everyone should read the Torah in Hebrew. The insistence on the temporal, as if it gives more meaning to the eternal, bugs me. Languages are not divine.

In terms of vernacular, the NO can still be faithful. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I just want them to fast track biblical translations to properly be in accord with Liturgiam Authenticam and other Vatican directions. Make them all faithful reflections of the Nova Vulgata, basically. Any regional bishop's conference who tries to do their own thing gets replaced.

>>785895

Latin for the Church has an important quality that languages spoken today do not: It is a dead language, actually spoken by no culture, and so cannot culturally "evolve" and have its meaning perverted over time.

It's a guard against error, in other words. What happened to the word "literally" can't ever happen to Latin. This is the same reason that the medical and legal professions have so much Latin jargon.

There's also an argument that it's a throwback to tradition, and we could definitely use more of that nowadays.

>>785890

>Suppress the Jesuits

I'm not too familiar with the Jesuits, why do you want to suppress them?

>>785910

*once started out…

Even a pope you tried suppressing them, but was unsuccessful

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04034a.htm

>>785881

1. Excommunicate all abortion supporters/lukewarms. Excommunicate all Jesuits everywhere. (Those who leave the jesuits afterwards can have their excommunication lifted).

2. Make Vatican III happen. We would revise Vatican II, and throw out the parts that are toxic.

3. Bring back masculinity to the church by promoting militancy and active service.

4. Launch a crusade on capitalism and secularism.

5. Beatify Hitler

6. Launch a campaign against the concept of "judeo-christian" values. We are not the same people, we are mortal enemies.

7. Launch a campaign against liberalism, nominalism, feminism and communism.

8. Strictly define the concept of race and support all preservative measures. Demand greater support for environmentalist causes and protect all races (including human biodiversity).

9. Launch a research laboratory to cure AIDS and homosexuality.

10. Start a new monastic order for homosexuals, build them monasteries in remote areas to separate them from the flock until a cure is found.

11. Force all cardinals to resign and elect new ones. Vet them. No liberals/modernists/progressives allowed.

12. Bring back the latin rite on Sundays, but otherwise the priest can perform it on whatever language.

13. Welcome SSPX back into the fold and lift the excommunication of Lefebvre, also beatify him.

14. Support Catholicism in China.

15. Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

16. Promote self-sufficiency and eugenic selection in poor african countries so that they don't have to rely on the Western world anymore. Strongly encourage the colonial elites to return to their countries of origin to make the third world more liveable.

17. Launch the Vatican Space program

18. Colonize space and bring the Gospel to the stars.

Remove all the man-made nonsense it's come up with

>>785964

>be Hitler

>fight our mortal enemy

>jews trying to call this cringe

Back to leftypol, cringefag.

Hitler declared his loyalty and works to God in Mein Kampf, which is exactly why jews hate him so much.

Hitler is probably in either purgatory or heaven.

Mussolini is in purgatory, so why not Hitler?

What: >>785914 said

But also with more efforts of reuniting Christendom especially in the Protestant Parts of Europe

>>785914

>Beatify Hitler

>>785965

He was literally a secular humanist who supported multiple pagan cults, and then sent himself to hell.

>>785969

>>785970

http://www.luebeck-kunterbunt.de/TOP100/Nazi-Katholiken.htm

>>785890

>>785914

OP said a Catholic man. You're clearly not Catholic.

>>785974

>which rejected saint paul and the old testament.

Literally every modernist church.

>>785914

>Beatify Hitler

>Start a new monastic order for homosexuals, build them monasteries in remote areas

Funny how right-wing totalitarianism and homosexual utopism always go hand-in-hand

>>785980

while i virulently detest several of his policies, it would be quite funny if he was pope… until he sent the lads round with the rope… so he gets my vote

no better reason, some christanons just wanna watch the world burn (with white smoke) i guess

>>785881

If I recall correctly, something like that actually did happen once. The sede went empty for too long after the Pope died, so the cardinals just picked some random monk. Pope Saint Celestine V. One of the few Popes who resigned.

Immediately resign and place John MacArthur in my place, finish the Reformation

I would employ the "shit sandwich" method

Phase 1: establish a good relationship with the flock, as well as the media

>go around to a handful of parishes in every state of the US, no popemoblie parades bullshit.

>just hang out with people and talk to them and stuff, have feasts, baptize babies, etc.

>only talk about the positive things in this phase, such as loving your brother. Nothing explicit about loving immigrants and letting them cuck you

>espouse vaguely traditional/conservative values but never espouse anything modern, but also don't speak out against modernism yet

>all the while I will be looking for hardline conservative priests and bishops and will keep in contact with them

This is the first slice of bread in the shit sandwich.

Phase 2: the inquisition

>make a speech or something about going back to tradition and being pious to god

>attack modernity, liberalism, globalism, lukewarmness, ecumenism, protestants, orthos, etc.

>forbid women from wearing pants in church and make veils mandatory

>make local parishes assign an old lady to stand at the front of the church on Sunday's and hand out smocks to all girls wearing yoga pants, skinny jeans, short skirts, low cut shirts, etc.

>make it mandatory for all parishioners to fill up the front rows completely instead of being atomized across the entire building

>make it illegal for laity to hand out the body of Christ, only the priest is allowed to

>everyone has to line up and receive the Eucharist kneeling on the rail on the tongue and an altar server holds the guard under it as the priest gives it to you just like in a TLM

>altar servers must be 18 or older now

>no women allowed in the pulpit

>make it clear that abortion and fornication and gay marriage are FORBIDDEN

>latae sententiae excommunication for anyone who has homosex

>excommunicate Nancy Pelosi and other Catholic politicians who support abortion

>excommunicate any celebrities who claim to be Catholic but preach heresies like Ariana Grande who wrote a song called god is a woman

>defrock and possibly excommunicate any and all homosexual bishops

>defrock any Bishop who supports abortion or homosexual "rights" or any form of modernism

>appoint new cardinals since I probably just got rid of most of them, hopefully I met some very conservative bishops in phase 1 whom I can appoint

>assemble a council of internal inquisition headed ultimately by me and declare a new inquisition within the church to remove the leaven which will spoil the bread

>inquisitors will be recruited and assigned to certain jurisdictions throughout the world

>every confirmed Catholic on record will have to interview with these men, whether they attend mass or not

>they will discern the lukewarmness of a person and find out if the person is willing to change, if not they will be put on a list for potential excommunication

>a lost of parishioners potentially facing excommunication will be given to each priest and it will be up to him to further investigate if they should be excommunicated (mostly to make sure no one who doesn't deserve it gets excommunicated)

>if he refuses he will be defrocked

>after this, the remaining people on the list will be ordered to have a meeting with the Bishop of their diocese to hopefully encourage them to change

>if they don't go to the meeting without a valid excuse, or if they do and don't repent, they will then be formally excommunicated

>no one under a certain age will be excommunicated

>people with young children whom they plan on raising Catholic will probably not be excommunicated

>there will be a certain period after the inquisition where the church will be wholeheartedly open and eager to the reconciliation of excommunicated members , probably 3 to 5 years, but after that it will be very hard to be reconciled

>follow up inquisitions may be employed

That's the shit log in the shit sandwich

Phase 3: unity

>firstly, forbid interfaith marriage of catholics

>mandatory communal rosary prayer assemblies twice a week (anyone who doesn't attend regularly will be excommunicated)

>mandatory regional (not just local unless there are a lot of young people in a town) youth groups for unmarried people ages 15-29, they will have certain supervised coed events to foster love and fruitfulness in the church

>like I said before everyone has to sit together in the front pews

>encourage openness to life, couples who just aren't producing babies will be talked to by the priest to make sure they aren't using birth control (nfp is birth control)

>Encourage homeschooling and possibly give grant money to local parishes ao they can buy land and build houses on it so they can live in an intentional Catholic community or create a charity which does this for them

>attempts to reconcile Russian orthodox to the mother church

This is the other slice of bread

I am not the man to do this though. I've done a lot of depraved stuff

>>785980

Today’s Vatican makes communists like that El Salvadoran guy saints so the sad thing is that isn’t any worse than what the Vatican actually does.

>>785881

Step one: defrock all bishops and cardinals who promote, engage in, or cover up modernism, sodomy, or pedophilia.

Step two: resign.

I'm not fit to be Pope, but I would want to make sure that the next Pope would be an adequate defender of the faith.

blast this in Rome h24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMrxJfvSnn8

1. Recant of all Latin heresies

2. Come back into communion with Christ's holy Orthodox Catholic Church.

That's what I would do.

>>785881

1) use papal tiara.

2) restore the holy office.

3) restore the oath against modernism and make it be sworn every sunday

4) abolish all instruments, although might leave organ have its place.

5) forbid lay women from doing altar services.

would also put greek as the second language of the vatican.

>>785914

>5. Beatify Hitler

>18. Colonize space and bring the Gospel to the stars.

kek. first papal bull would be made to disincourage shitposting as a venial sin

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>>786408

We will never beatify a person who lived in unrepentant mortal sin. Hitler didn’t go to church, he killed himself, and he had premarital sex. None of these things are debatable even to the biggest “Xd holocaust=hoax” LARPer therefore we should never beatify Hitler.

>>786412

>we shouldn't beatify Hitler

>in a literal thread about a powerfantasy

You have no power here :D

>>786414

A saint is by definition not a heretic.

Your "argument" is not an argument.

>>786412

>We

The vatican is not a democracy faggot.

At least it shouldn't be.

>>786416

The Catholic Church (or more exactly said, the Vatican) is an electoral monarchy

It is not a democracy, but in theory every catholic can be elected as one

>>786416

By we I mean the catholic church which laity are also a part of.

>>786415

Then apologize to Saint Maximilian

>>786408

>What is wrong with sending heretics to concetration camps?

<Faithful clergy who oppose demonic nazism are heretics

Your brain on Hitler idolatry.

Pope Æthelstan or something like that. An old name.

As for actions, it's difficult to say. I think a priority would be to reiterate Church Dogma in the face of a secularised and milquetoast laity, from the ground up. I'd also be far more ruthless in finding and disciplining scandal and heterodoxy—the contemporary practice is too slow and polite since it's mostly in the hands of bureaucratic boomers who don't want to offend anyone. I'd reaffirm the truth that the Church stands ontologically against modernity, and from that precedent most things would flow naturally.

Liturgy, traditions, all this—none of it stands in a vacuum. So long as the core of the Church is rightly orientated the proper organisation of these things follows logically. The main hurdle in the way of this is disobedient bishops, so that would be another key area where a sort of rigid discipline is kept in check.

Honestly, though, the fundaments of Christianity—let alone Catholicism—are traditionalist (as they are true, of course). It's liberal boomers and their polite semantics which is causing much confusion at the present time. If Pope Francis just picked his words better and was a bit more masculine there'd be little to complain about. After all, Mother Church is exactly that—it's the men within who need to act properly.

>>785881

Condemn Vatican 2 as a robber council and issue a syllabus of errors against all that have cropped up from it. All new priests and bishops must be ordained by those who have not been ordained in the new rite.

Anathematise novus ordo and the 1962 rites. Anathematize the St Pius X breviary and all subsequent divine office innovation abominations, returning to the 1910 version. Condemn these liturgical innovations as errors and even heresy.

Promote the Anglican use and other exact literal translations of the Roman rite with local customs as secondary masses.

Ban Low Mass as it is abused as the norm. All masses must be sung or not done at all as there is no excuse. Multiple masses must not be done on a day unless there are coinciding feasts eg. ferial mass + duplex feast + simplex feast. All priests must assist each other at mass and not say mass separately. One properly sung solemn mass is infinitely better than 10 mumbled low masses which is offensive to God. All liturgy must be sung at the proper traditional times of day.

The priests must sing the hours of lauds and vespers publicly in church. The other hours should be encouraged to be sung publicly too. Basically benedictine style. Allow vernacular literal translations of divine office and use of local customs as long as they have no protestant innovations and conform to the 1910 divine office eg. Anglican use Evensong and Morningsong.

Enforce minor orders as necessary for any layman who wishes to exercise a liturgical function eg. all servers must be minor orders and tonsured as per sacred tradition. All minor orders and major orders must sing in choir. Women are not allowed to sing the liturgy or responses in Church. Suffer not a woman to speak in Church, she must be silent. Reinforce segregation of sexes, veils and proper modest dress at Church. Women are banned from teaching. Suffer not a woman to teach. Women are not allowed to talk to priests unless she has no father or husband for she must ask them instead. If a woman does not understand something at church she must wait until she is at home then ask her husband or father. Priests must follow this chain of command in speaking and teaching to men only (outside of homilies).

Condemn NFP as mortally sinful. Condemn women working jobs outside of grave necessity as mortally sinful. Condemn women disobeying their husbands as mortally sinful. Condemn evolution as heresy. Condemn heliocentrism as heresy. Affirm geocentrism as dogma. Galileo was wrong, the Church is right.

Reinstate the index of banned books and put the neo vulgate and all modernist translations on it. Instate the 1610 Douay Rheims as the only permitted English translation.

Probably more too but that's all I can think of right now.

>>786429

I wonder what part of "universal"/Catholic these posers don't understand? It's glaringly obvious this is not the church for them.

>>785908

what level of Jesuit trickery is this

>>786502

>Condemn heliocentrism as heresy. Affirm geocentrism as dogma.

You can't be serious.

>>785890

>>785891

Don't forget to hire an extra twenty super loyal bodyguards that follow you everywhere.

You'll definitely become the target of a (((hit)) God bless you though