>>784953
Not an argument
>>784957
Read Hebrews 12 again.
>{12:1} And therefore we also having so great a cloud of witnesses over our head, laying aside every weight and sin which surrounds us, let us run by patience to the fight proposed to us
Emphasis mine
The bolden words in the greek is νέφος μαρτύρων or nephos martyrōn
Nephos means:
>a cloud; met: a dense crowd, a multitude, great company.
https://biblehub.com/greek/3509.htm
Literally a multitude of saints, those that have witnessed God, that help us. If the saints in heaven can't hear us, how can they help us? If we are all one body in Jesus wouldn't it make sense that those in heaven are apart of the body communicating with us like we are communicating with them?
How can a captain of a host (read army) of angels can help out Joshua if those in heaven can't help us out here on earth?
The fact of the matter is that those in the body of Christ are family. As family we pray for each other to strengthen each other up. Just because family has departed this material world doesn't mean they can't hear us in heaven. The wicked sure won't hear us because they have cut themselves from God's Holy Family, but the righteous can, for they are not dead.