/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

Youth services are often a waste because the youth that actually care attend the normal religious services instead, so most of the time what you get is the crowd that doesn't go to normal services which ends up like you described. Even worse if there's boomers involved who make a bunch of ridiculous changes to appeal to the youth, forgetting that there's a difference between getting them in the door is the same as properly converting them.

>>782651

Used to doing spoilers on discord, my bad.

>>782655

I've been to Catholic churches with my grandparents several time. I just don't like the Pope and all the additional stuff they add to the Bible.

>>782759

>add stuff to the bible

Catholic dont add anything to the scripture. People in this thread will try to make claims by taking quotes from scripture out of context. You should look into the history of both the church you are currently in as well as reading the early Christian fathers who compiled the holy scripture :).

>>782787

>And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

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>>782809

Luke 1:28

"And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Luke 1:42

"And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb."

Luke 1:48

"Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."

>>782809

you are wrong about that verse as well, From what I know, Jesus is commending his mother. But saying that not for her carrying of his body and being his mother, but for she kept to the word of God most of all.

polite sage for splitting my response into two posts.

>>782856

How the hell does Revelation 12 prove that Mary is the Queen of Heaven? Can you explain your reasoning?

>>782856

>she was assumed into heaven and crowned queen of heaven

the line between biblical truth and roman paganism just keeps getting blurrier

>>782860

>>782859

>>782856

>Revelation 11:1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: [2] And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered.

Anon may be referring to that.

But no one has yet acknowledged his other 4 points/verses.

and also

>>782829

no one has acknowledged those points specifically.

Revelation 12 is both the literal Mary and Jesus as well as possibly the constellation Virgo.. which would have made "queen a heaven" a natural title, since that's literally what Virgo is in the "Zodiac" (as she's the only female of the bunch). And I'm not talking astrology.. I'm talking ancient astronomical use of the Zodiac. These constellations were used by everyone, so please, don't be a retard. Just don't. Even Jews had the Zodiac symbols on their synagogues - see here: https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/astrology-in-the-ancient-synagogue/).

If you dispute the Virgo meaning, I can try to offer you another Prot to maybe convince you.. but he adds an even more interesting theory that Revelation 12 has the date of Jesus' birth in it as well. See vid.

>>782635

>They were like on Snapchat and all that crap.

How would you know that unless you were looking at their phones too? Mote, meet beam.

>>782868

No, the woman of Revelation 12 is the church.

>>782871

>being full of grace does not mean she's without sin, just that her sins have been forgiven.

How can she be without sin before Christs death. unless she was free from sin

>She's blessed, but that doesn't mean we should pray to her.

She is alive in heaven and is the mother of God. Like the way the spoke to her as blessed, we pray (the word prayer is now used pretty much exclusively in terms of religion, but means to ask earnestly) to Mary so that she may ask for our intercession, like at the wedding feast in Canaan .

>>782872

she wasn't without sin, that's the point.

>>782873

how can her sins be forgiven, i miss wrote.

>>782874

The same way Abraham was forgiven generations before Christ, and the same way I was forgiven generations after Christ: by faith in God.

>>782869

The person sitting next to me was on it. Not too hard to notice.

>>782877

Do you go to every thread to pick this exact same fight?

>>782878

So, it's ok for you to be distracted by a phone, but not them? I see.

>>782871

>why would she need a savior if she was without sin?

You can be sinless all you want but that doesn't mean you can get into heaven all by yourself. The only way into heaven is through Jesus Christ, regardless of status as sinless.

>>782875

By having grace that means that one has a supernatural gift from God. She could not have this before Baptism, which gives us sanctifying grace, the first of which occurred when Jesus was a man.

>was forgiven generations after Christ: by faith in God.

We are not forgiven by faith in God, we are forgiven through Jesus's death on the cross. Which occurred after the annunciation.

>>782881

OP don't listen to this guy he just wants to be pissy.

>>782882

>We are not forgiven by faith in God, we are forgiven through Jesus's death on the cross. Which occurred after the annunciation.

Simply bad soteriology

Yes, we are saved on account of Christ's atoning sacrifice. The way that is applied to us is by our faith.

Romans 4

1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

>>782890

You did not start it that's true. Actually the other catholic kimd of did when he told OP to go to a catholic church for they are so devout and bible orientated. Im sorry it's a blatant lie and you're caught up in a huge and most dangerous deception. Tje catholoc church is a power system that uses the bible or better, the twisting of it as it's main tool to empower herself and rule the people. It's ALL totaly against scripture and more a beast system than anything else. It's so sad to see that people really think her to be in line with the scriptures as if they were literally blind. They obvi are, spiritually. Just take the fact that the Lord Jesus FORBIDS to call any man 'father'! And yet you do it, from your local paster to king in rome of whom you think he wields earthly powers in Jesus' stead. It's a corrupted power system abusimg God's holy word.

You know the church seems kind of toothless in this time, but given the opportunity, she will again (!) destroy and kill everyone who will not bow under her will and spiritual rule. Just as she once did for more than a thousand years. There are thick books full with cases of people who wanted to follow God according to his word but naturally, outside of the roman church. The mere fact that you didn't go to their service made you a paria! Not to think of telling anybody about the catholic teachings not being in line with God's word! Oh woe betide you, heretic! They would torture you, put you on a wheel, quarter, burn or kill you in every other imaginable way, while singing praises to their 'god'! It sickens me how you don't know about that, choose to not , downright deny it! It's not just about teachings and picking fights over it. It's about the character of this mess, what this whole 'church' stands for! The counterfeit/counterproject of Satan after God spread his word over the earth and made salvation possible for fallen mankind.

It IS this bad unfortunately!

>>783004

Oh Im very sorry I confused you. But honestly and if I might say so: I always get goosebumps when I hear the phrase 'accepting Jesus'. Its commonly used in very superficial circles/congregations. I know its widespread, that's the problem. Its hard in this time to encounter serious people in the churches. The very propagated concept of 'asking' Jesus into one's heart unfortunately makes more false christians who fatally consider themselves safe, than any other heresy. Dont get me wrong, I dont know you. But I knew a few things about false prophets and their teachings. And really, among protestants/evangelicals etc, there is no thing so misunderstood than what conversion really is. Just think about how it sounds 'accepting Jesus'. There's such arrogance to it. As if HE would need OUR acceptance! One should fall on his face and beg for mercy. This is what would befit someone who's absolutely lost and desperate in his forsakenness. All people thst truy encounter God in the bible react in such a way. But please, dont get me wrong here also. It's not an outwardly thing, it's not about doing the 'right' thing and putting on a show. It comes from the inside and shows/reflects accordingly. Thing is, it's very rare that someone really feels that way and is that desperate inside, when he 'decides' to 'accept' the Lord Jesus. I say that from experience and not just my own. Again, don't want to step on your toes, what you said triggered me a bit :) and I felt like giving you a few thoughts on it. I gotta sleep now. I wish you the best and really hope you are genuine anon. Make sure on that, nothing is more important! We can examamine this, you know? Maybe you want to read 2.Cor 13,5 if you feel like it. So long!

>>782885

>Simply bad soteriology

I keep hearing this phrase bandied about recklessly (by you?) way too often. We are saved by faith, and then works through that faith. Faith alone is a 500 year old innovation, only known by the Pelagians, refuted centuries upon centuries ago.

>>>782870

which Church, friend? it must be the one built upon Cephas, granted with the authority to loosen and bind on Heaven and Earth, right?

>>782866

You know neither either way.

>>783004

> it just doesn't apply to me anymore (I used to be catholic but recently accepted Jesus)

You accepted Christ every Sunday in the Eucharist, you cannot be further away from Christ than you are now.

>>782873

How would you know? All have sinned, shouldn't this imply Christ sinned? We know He didn't, but we also that Zechariah and Elizabeth were also called sinless, the idea that biblical exclusionary clauses is an acceptable method of discovering who sinned or who did not cannot stand.

>>783053

>We are saved by faith, and then works through that faith

Just to clarify grammatically, are you saying salvation comes by works? Or only that works are present after salvation?