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Wait, really??

On the Revised Julian calendar, Meatfare begins this Monday. Really? I didn't notice time creeping up on me like that.

I will retreat completely and hopefully definitively from discussion with people, except for my close relatives and my priest. Way too many people have been accusing me of the same sins over the years, but especially recently (like in this thread >>772160 for instance). This is Christ speaking to me and calling me to urgent humility and repentance. Because I fall so often into the sin of dishonesty, I will retract from participating in discussions, online or in real life, so that I at least do not commit this sin as often.

>>773749

Do you fast?

>>773750

Also, nobody said anything about atonement here.

>>773754

>I practice intermittent fasting, but not fasting in the standard sense. I've wanted to try to fast but never had the willingness to suffer for it.

Fasting means abstaining from food, because "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God". But fasting also means abstinence from earthly things in general, including things that are much less important to your health than food. We are not justified by fasting, but fasting helps us remain close to Christ and not be distracted by the things of the world that excite us. We must do like Paul in Galatians 2:20-24 and let Christ transform us so that we may be purified of the passions; we must obey Christ's commandment to leave eveything behind and follow Him. Christ Himself tells us to fast, if your answer to "what are you giving up" is "nothing" you're maybe not sinning but definitely avoiding a practice that is very helpful to remember the reality of your situation and to avoid sin and apostasy.

>I do approve of people wanting to give things up, but people should always be reminded that they are saved by the Blood alone and not by personal devotion. In fact, the Gospel reading in church last Sunday was Matthew 20, the parable of the workers. Give it a read… basically, there is no works merit to God and all shall be rendered equally. All have fallen short of the Kingdom of God.

Of course, of course, Pelagianism is a heresy anyway. If works were salvific or even meriting in themselves, we wouldn't expect death bed converts to have a chance at salvation, since they can only come to the judgement seat of Christ with their faith and immediate repentance. (well, I'm not a Catholic, so Catholics may disagree with what I said on works being meriting, I'm not sure) And you are very correct to remind us to not take pride in fasting, thank you for doing so.

By the way… I have told you in another thread to not post corpses for shock value. Your post in that thread that contained this picture got removed in fact. I strongly suggest you delete this picture before you get caught and your post gets deleted here as well.

Matthew 9:14-15

14 Then John’s disciples came and asked him, “How is it that we and the Pharisees fast often, but your disciples do not fast?”

15 Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.

Didache

Chapter 8. Fasting and Prayer (the Lord's Prayer). But let not your fasts be with the hypocrites, for they fast on the second and fifth day of the week. Rather, fast on the fourth day and the Preparation (Friday). Do not pray like the hypocrites, but rather as the Lord commanded in His Gospel…

Logical Consistency and Contradiction

https://www.csus.edu/indiv/m/mayesgr/phl4/handouts/phl4contradiction.htm

>>773758

Huh? I don't understand what you are trying to say. Where is the contradiction?

>>773759

Oh sorry, I meant that reading for the sola fide and no works post.

I'm tied between giving up my smartphone for a dumbphone so I can stop losing so much time to the Internet, or giving up staring at women so I can be more chaste and look at celibacy vs marital life with a less partial eye.

>>773766

Like a taco shell commercial once said: "why not both?"

>>773749

I don't wholly disagree with you about the salvation part, but catholics view fasting as a way to grow closer to God, not as a way to earn salvation. We do that during lent because it is a way to remember the 40 days and 40 nights that Christ resisted temptation in the desert.

I'm gonna give up listening to music for Lent. I have a bad habit of listening to it all the time

>>773745

>>773765

Last year, I just couldn't stop my soft drink addiction. But than I started putting some drops of iodine in my milk in the morning and this shit really helps. No joke, the feeling just goes away

I'll give up acting like a bitch

>>773773 (checked)

I believe in you, christanon

>>773767

If I stop posting here several times a day, I'll feel even more lonely in my faith and social life. I have a tough time with social relationships and even though I try to be involved in my parish, people don't talk to me and I'm afraid to talk to them.

On the other end, arguing with baptists and orthoLARPers is often less productive than more time for prayer.

>>773726

>follow God

Follow Jesus Christ

>telling others how you're going to fast and how long

>Matthew 6: 16-18

And when you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have their reward. But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, that your fasting may not be seen by men but by your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

>>773804

>implying Jesus Christ is not part of the Godhead

>>773814

Hello fellow pharisee. We are not looking for a reward, because we have not started fasting yet. We are uplifting each other by sharing examples of how we plan to better ourselves.

>>773816

Forgive me, anon.

I tend to have knee-jerk reactions to certain posts, but that doesn't excuse my rashness.

>>773818

No problem brother.

Soda & desserts

Going to black fast.

The only thing that would be different from what I do every day of the year would be eating my one meal slightly later and avoiding alcohol, though I don't drink much to begin with. Also giving up cooking oils and olive oil and sugar, nicotine, and coffee during the day.

>>773726

Giving up all electronic use except for work. No chans, vidya, social media, or anything like that. I want to use all the time I would spend reading books. I've got a years worth, and I want to finish reading them before I buy anything else.

I don't really know what to give up, but I'm determined to stick to the Lenten diet this year as I have failed to the last two. I might give up internet.

Im giving up my usual. No sweets or sweet drinks. I also wanted to do a proper fast every Wednesday. Anyone have any good info on fasts. I heard the orthodox were a lot more serious about fasting then Catholics are now.

I'm planning on limiting my time on imageboards, and spending at least an hour a day reading and praying.

>>774260

>>774084

I should determine 2 days of the week to be fasting. Like…perhaps on just milk/oatmeals for food.

Either way this should be however my every day breakfast. But again I am a weakling that tries to larp as an ascetic…failing.

>>774260

What is the St. Ephrem prayer?

>>773726

Nothing, because the act of giving up a vice should not be confined to one part of a year. You shouldn't have to wait until Lent to give up weed. Lent should be spent proving that you've been a better person and carrying that proof throughout the year.

>>773749

based

>>773749

So what you're saying is you don't feel the need to give up any vice whatsoever, and you're free to sin because of Christ's sacrifice?

“If the righteous man is scarcely saved, where will the impious and sinner appear?”

>>775129

Sheesh.

It's like you're the only virtuous one by fighting vice at a certain time and date instead of always.

>>775188

>Thinking that your sacrifice at lent is suposed to be temporary

Pleb tier m8. Not that I expected more from you.

I'm contemplating giving up politics, and going to give up the swearing that constantly comes into my dialogue.

>tfw australian and swearing is 50% of our dialect.

Giving up politics as I went on a retreat this weekend and went 3 days without news, at the end of it I found I love people a lot more. I imagine following politics as much as I do causes heavy division between me and people. Or a lot less joyless in my everyday life compared to one full of the holy spirit should act

>>775195

If you've read this entire thread, this is exactly how these posters think.

>>775214

You can only give it up temporarily

That doesn't mean you can't give it up permanently. If you can last 30 days, why not more?

Lent is a good launching point to kick vices, or at least get them under control.

>>774260

>fasting on the day we celebrate the Resurrection

Please don't.

Just follow your church's calendar.

>>774569

>Bowing another 12 times at the end

Huh, that isn't in the translations I find.

>>775224

Fasting on sundays is allowed, just very uncommon.

>>775225

I'm not aware of a single day of the year where fasting is tolerated on a Sunday (by fasting I obviously don't mean the reduced meal we have during fasting periods, or the Eucharistic fast - by fasting I mean following the full rules of fasting), in any tradition. Do you have an exemple?

>>775225

I think it just means you say that phrase for a total of 12 times and after each time you say that phrase you make a prostration.

>>775230

Correct. Although having a lot of prostrations isn't unusual - my prayer book's prayers before liturgy include 40 kyrie eleison with as many prostrations, at the end.

>>775228

It's normally not done but it's still allowed.

I'll check again with my priest though.

No beer and no coffee (really hard).

I still will drink tea though since i still want to go to the cafe to use internet.

>>773726

Giving up:

- Hot showers

-Internet (except for necessary educational/ scientific purposes)

-sweets, any food that gives too much pleasure for little nutritional value

-vidya

I’m going to be creating a hard excersise regime to complement a spiritual reading one I’ve already got going

Also planning to maintain this far beyond lent to an extent

>>775705

Well, if I'm being very technical, the sacrifice made during lent is intended to be viewed as a form of lesser fast. As is the whole "no meat on Fridays thing." But since prots don't practice fasts or anything of that nature, I figured it would be pointless to mention.

>>773726

I'm giving up carnal thoughts to take my mind of things that are base and lift it to God. Will also try to pray the 1910 divine office everyday.

>>773749

>I am saved by grace/faith

Which one is it? Which are you saved by? Grace alone or faith alone? Hmm?

>>775784

Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace you have been saved through faith…"

Grace is how you are saved, but Faith is what gets you Grace. So, both! Without Grace there is no salvation. Without Faith there is no Grace.

>>775809

One meal a day as in what size proportion? Food piled onto a plate? Or literally a plate of food with small to medium proportions?

>>775815

Small to medium portions. My stomach can't handle massive meals.

>>775780

I'd wager it depends on the sacrifice then.

Bumping this thread, I added another lent sacrifice.

My beard.

>>775863

W-why, anon?

What did your beard ever do to you?

>>775868

I really liked my beard, but at the end it was also a part pride.

I'll grow it back after Easter, with shaving also being a little disciplining action (I use a safety razor).

I just hope that me going from man to suave boy won't make me too prideful either.

>>776099

and

>no booze

>no sweets/junk food

>>775807

Faith is a grace. It doesn't save you but is a gift of election

So do you have to give something up forever or just a period of time? Also I'm told you're supposed to read during lent.

>>776659

For a period of time. You can read a lot during lent to make it productive.

For me I also use it to carry out things that I want to implement into my regular life but fail for the most of the year.

If avoiding something in your life works so well during the lent why not do it for the most of the year.

>>777350

That happens where I live, too. New Orleans carnival season has historically been one of debauchery and sin leading up to Ash Wednesday. Though there is some hope. In the years following Katrina, we've slowly tried to make carnival more family friendly, which means shutting down the prostitute mills and ending liquor tourism. The parades and festivals these days are a lot better than they were 10 years ago, but it's difficult for an entire city to overcome its past.

>>775972

Thanks man.

I'll be happy when I can start growing it again.

I really hate shaving.

>>777403

>i hate shaving

Tell me about it. My job requires i stay clean shaven, but I get whiskers and fuzz literally the next day and it pisses me off.

It never effing ends.

>>775972

>>775863

Well interesting, I'm already sort of doing this, but I guess I'll it officially to lent, to leave my beard grow fully until easter, which is the opposite of what I have been doing lately.

And by that I mean no shaving and no trimming, letting it go full and wild, pretty much like someone lost in the desert would. And for me this happens to be quite annoying, since even though I enjoy a bit of beard, it comes to itch like crazy and get really annoying after some time.

And then again, none of these soy boy really go full beard, do they?

Ima try to give up hating on people with different denominations.

>>777444

>to leave my beard grow fully until easter

That's kind of prohibited.

One cannot show outer signs of fasting if they come around people.

I think I've figured it out! For Lent this year, I won't necessarily be giving something up; but I will be devoting more time to study. I'll be taking the KoC online courses (they're free) to strengthen my faith and knowledge of the Church.

>>777492

>cannot show outer signs of fasting

And how is letting the beard grow a sign of fasting?

And that doesn't make any sense, are you suppose to hide your penance?

>>777863

Growing your beard out is fine, letting it go untrimmed and wild is not fine. Keep it clean!

Please help me understand what I'm allowed to eat during lent and when. I do a Friday fast already, is it different during lent? Are there more days than Friday? Do eggs count as meat? Are protein shakes cheating? Pls respond.

>>778015

If you're Orthodox, every day is a strict fast except that oil and wine is allowed on most Sundays and fish is allowed on certain feast days. Basic rule is that if it has bones, it's meat and is to be avoided; eggs are still meat even if they have no bones currently. Avoid dairy, alcohol and oil as well.

if you're not Orthodox, and I suspect you aren't, then I think there are only certain days you need to do a strict fast, but maybe the Orthodox rule will help you in it.

No matter what though, don't fret about it too much. If something has a bit of egg or cheese in it and you forget and eat it, or if it's like the 3rd ingredient listed, it's ok. Fasting shouldn't cause you to stumble more, even though it isn't easy.

>>778022

Are eggs really considered meat? They're not fertilized.

I started catechism for Pentcost with my veteran Falklands war priest as teacher; and 11 other persons as students.

I'm giving up masturbation forever.

It's been a week already and I'm doing so fine, it's magical, but in reality is the word of Jesus going through me.

Pray for me and for my confirmation to stay forever until eternal life.

Many blessings to all.

No masturbation, no selfies and caring about fashion too much. No alcohol as usual. It's my first time attempting a proper fast. I have no idea how I'm supposed to substitute oil. Any tips on that?

>>778054

I just checked my handy-dandy daily readings app and it specifically mentions eggs as a separate thing. So no, not meat, but still something to avoid during a strict fast. Example being that this next week is what we call cheesefare, which is meant to help prepare for the great fast and allow you to use up all the dairy you still have and eggs are allowed during this week. But during the great fasts, eggs are not allowed.

>>778096

The autobiography of Saint Theresa of Avila

Jokes on the abstinence stuff, I'm already vegan. I'm going to have to fast more.

>>777863

>are you suppose to hide your penance?

Yes, keep your beard trimmed and clean, do not show any outer signs of fasting.

>>778127

The idea is to abstain from something you enjoy, not just something you pull out of a hat by rote. Think about a great joy, a luxury, you have in your life and give it up. The idea of abstaining is to suffer, even if just a little. If you're vegan, then you already have the discipline to fast. So, find something else and stop being boastful.

>>778132

I already plan on giving away the time I spend on the internet.

Video gaming will be no more.

I’ve recently been counting calories as I’m trying to lose weight. I’m looking over specific goals, but I’m gonna push myself to not go over my calorie budgets any day this Lent

>>778115

Thanks fam

>>778187

>claims to give up the traditions of men

>literally follows the traditions of men

Wew prots

>>778195

No, we follow the Bible, the written word of God.

>>778202

What makes the Bible the word of God then, did Moses walk off the mountain and hand out KJVs to the Israelites?

>>778202

>Christ: Fast and Pray

>protestants: ok

>protestants: wait no, that's catholic

what's the next step in your master plan?

>>778218

>Phase 1: CATHOLICS ARE WRONG

>Phase 2: ??????????????????????

>Phase 3: Salvation

>>778216

Imagine believing that the Bible is only the word of God because a group of men said so. All scripture is God breathed, it is His word written down by men who were guided by the holy spirit.

>>778218

Fasting and praying is nice, but it's not necessary for salvation and its not a sin to eat meat on Fridays during a certain time of the year. That's a man-made tradition not backed by scripture, and telling people that they're sinning if they eat meat on a Friday during lent is preaching a false gospel.

>>778253

>Imagine believing that the Bible is only the word of God because a group of men said so.

<Implying the "group of men who said so' aren't also guided by the holy spirit.

>All scripture is God breathed, it is His word written down by men who were guided by the holy spirit.

<Implying otherwise was ever said

>Fasting and praying is nice, but it's not necessary for salvation and its not a sin to eat meat on Fridays during a certain time of the year. That's a man-made tradition not backed by scripture

<"This is beneficial spiritually, but don't do it because it's been handed down to you by other Christians and all traditions are bad regardless of context"

>>778255

I never said that all traditions are bad, just that it's not necessary to follow them unless they're scriptural. To say that you're damned if you eat meat on a Friday during lent, unless you go confess to the priest, is wrong.

>>778313

>To say that you're damned if you eat meat on a Friday during lent, unless you go confess to the priest, is wrong.

Orthodox who practices strict fasting here, I also agree.

>>778253

Then how do you determine what isn't scripture, on what basis can we determine what is and isn't scripture

I'm glad that you see the connection between smoking weed and not going yo church.

Weed numbs your spirit, disconnects you from God.

>>778344

>Orthodox who practices strict fasting here, I also agree.

Ironically it's thought of as a lesser fast… and a fully fledged fast is mandated on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

I fast all during lent though because I'm a training monastic. Or as I put it to normal Catholics "I'm giving up breakfast and lunch for lent."

>>778253

>Fasting and praying is nice, but it's not necessary for salvation and its not a sin to eat meat on Fridays during a certain time of the year. That's a man-made tradition not backed by scripture, and telling people that they're sinning if they eat meat on a Friday during lent is preaching a false gospel.

The main reason why it came at this time of year was it was common to baptize Christians at Easter. They first went through a catechumen stage during this period (which became Lent), which encouraged much fasting and prayer and reflection. To learn, to become accustomed to the Church, and finally to be welcomed to Christ's family. And the beautiful thing is, the Church as a whole joined with them in their fasting.

To dismiss this is just redneck tier thinking. It was meant to be a time to take becoming a Christian seriously, and not doing it willy nilly like you Protestants… who think faith and the individual alone is all there's ever been. This kind of thinking requires no contemplation or accountability or learning.

>>778253

>Fasting and praying is nice, but it's not necessary for salvation

so Scripture tells us to fast and pray, all to no avail?

>>774135

what exactly does it mean by fasting on Ash Wednesday?

Am I do go all day without food? I am not sure I can do that, especially being in work, I won't get to to mass until 7pm

>>778463

>weed makes you spiritually numb

This

It also opens the door to the occult. No good will come from recreational use of the devil's lettuce like no good comes from recreational sex.

>>778527

No, stop twisting my words. It's nice to do in order to grow closer to God, but it's not fasting or praying that saves you, it's your faith in Him that grants you His grace. Naturally a person with a living faith will pray, and most likely they'll fast, but they know that those things aren't what saves them.

>>778677

Please point out where the Catholic Church says that fasting saves.

>>779353

Re-read that anon's post. He never claimed the fast is what saves.

>I am giving up weed

Aren't you supposed to give up things that aren't necessarily sinful? So that you can return doing it after Lent ends?

>>779356

Yes, and Lent is also a great time to give up vices for good.

>>779353

I know that's not what the Church teaches, but there seems to be this idea that if you eat meat on Friday during lent or don't fast on ash Wednesday or good Friday it's a sin, and I just don't agree with that. It's not biblical that only during a certain time of the year these things are sins. And then if I were to commit one of these sins and not go to confession before I died I'd go to hell or at least purgatory - that doesn't sound like it's very isolated from salvation does it?

>>779392

Certain fasting days are set as a discipline by the Church for its followers.

>that doesn't sound like it's very isolated from salvation does it?

With that reasoning "not getting drunk" or "not stealing" is also necessary for salvation.

>>779398

And where are those fasting days in scripture?

>>778463

Really? It was cannabis that opened me up to the idea of spirituality which ultimately led me to Jesus.

>>778567

If you're Catholic, the teaching is that on fasting days you have one meal or two smaller meals that equal one meal.

I intend to give up meat, both as an exercise against gluttony and because I've become concerned with how fugged up the meat industry is. I know killing animals for food isn't sinful but it weighs on my conscience financially supporting avenues that subject them to unnecessary abuse and poor conditions.

Also going to make sure I do a rosary every day; I should be doing it normally but I always get lazy and can't turn it into an automatic habit.

>>779404

In the same verse that says we should go to a church on sundays and not a synagogue on the sabbath.

>>779414

Smoking in moderation might not be bad but when you're doing it everyday then it can spiritually degrade you. Sometimes I smoke weed to relive high amounts of stress. It actually helps me pray better and meditate on the gospel better. But if I use it too much I get lazy and stop caring about God. All things in moderation anon.

>>779520

But where's the part about fasting during lent, can you answer that?

>>779544

It's obviously a discipline not literally stated in the bible but set by the Church but your answer is "huur not biblicall :DDDD" but neither is sola scriptura, going to church on sunday and canon of the bible itself so the question of "And where are those fasting days in scripture?" is a pretty loaded one making the Church appear unbiblical too while it actually isn't as proven by the Early Christians who also fasted during Lent.

>>779601

2 Timothy 3:16-17 would seem to support sola scriptura.

>>779621

Matthew 16:18-19 explicitly gives the Church authority to bind on Heaven and Earth rules and practices of the Faith.

So I have a couple of important questions.

First that my goal is not for a full fast daily obviously, but should I still fast tomorrow, until the service at least?

And where do I find in the bible about the lent period Jesus spent?

>>779669

>First that my goal is not for a full fast daily obviously, but should I still fast tomorrow, until the service at least?

You are allowed one full meat-free meal, and two other "snacks", that altogether do not result in a full meal.

>and where do I find in the bible about the lent period Jesus spent?

Jesus gave His Church the authority to bind and loosen teachings and traditions on Heaven and Earth, and His Church has asked you for a period of fasting in memory of Christ.

>>779674

>You are allowed one full meat-free meal, and two other "snacks", that altogether do not result in a full meal.

Isn't that only what monastics do? I haven't found anything about that being required for laymen, in the Orthodox Church, at least.

>>779645

The rock that Jesus built his church on is Peter's statement of his faith in Matthew 16:16, that Jesus is the Christ and the Son of the living God. Jesus is the foundation of the church, He says so himself multiple times in scripture. And the rock in Matthew 16:18 being the statement of faith aligns with the many other scriptures where we are told that we are saved by grace through faith, and we are made righteous by our faith in the Lord.

>>779679

This is for Catholic laity.

>>779682

>The rock that Jesus built his church on is Peter's statement of his faith

The rock that Jesus built His Church on was Peter himself, for "Cephas" means Rock.

If Jesus had meant Simon Peter's confession, why not rename it "confession" in aramaic?

>And the rock in Matthew 16:18 being the statement of faith aligns with the many other scriptures where we are told that we are saved by grace through faith, and we are made righteous by our faith in the Lord.

truly the danger of personal interpretation, one misread verse darkens the mind to the rest

I'm going to pray a chaplet of the Rosary daily.

I'm giving up all imageboards besides this one.

No more masturbating.

No more procrastination.

Going to try to give up swearing but unsure if I'll be able to. Good luck to you all.

>>779685

>This is for Catholic laity

That's just for Ash Wednesday and Good Friday though, right?

>>779696

The faithful are also called to surrender something for the 40-day period.

>>779700

>5. Abstainance from masturbation.

no, this is year-round for eternity

>>779685

>why not rename it "confession" in Aramaic

Why does Jesus do anything he does? Yes, he named Peter "rock" in Aramaic, but even if we take it that He built His church on Peter, where in scripture does it say that this authority was to be passed on to Peter's successors? And why does that authority go only to the Roman church, when other churches (such as Antioch) had apostolic succession from Peter? The church is not a building or an establishment, it is the congregation of believers like it says in Matthew 18:20. It says "for where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them".

>>779718

> Yes, he named Peter "rock" in Aramaic

Thank you, and in full context, "upon this rock" makes perfect sense that it would pertain to Peter.

> but even if we take it that He built His church on Peter, where in scripture does it say that this authority was to be passed on to Peter's successors?

Laying of the hands, apostolic tradition, etc. They replaced Judas with Matthias, as you recall.

>And why does that authority go only to the Roman church

because it has the peculiar claim of being the very seat of St. Peter

>The church is not a building or an establishment, it is the congregation of believers like it says in Matthew 18:20.

you might as well argue there is no Church then

>>779762

>because it has the peculiar claim of being the very seat of St. Peter

But why does only that one church have claim to being the seat of st Peter?

>you might as well argue there is no Church then

Can you explain how that logically follows? I'm not arguing that there's no church, just that the church isn't a global establishment with its head located in Rome. God is the head of the church, His believers are the congregation.

>>779696

If you want OG Lent, no meat nor alcohol during the whole 40-day period.

>>779771

See >>779765

>>779771

>But why does only that one church have claim to being the seat of st Peter?

because it traces itself back to St. Peter (using history and its own historical records), the actual apostolic line of succession has never been disputed.

>Can you explain how that logically follows?

Sure. If you say that Christ's promise that He would be in the midst of any two people in His name disqualifies the "church of rome", then no Church is then qualified. It's just a large and loose band of believers believing in whatever. Non-denominational Christianity.

> just that the church isn't a global establishment with its head located in Rome.

It is. Jesus Christ established a physical and visible Church, all upon St. Peter. He Himself said He would do it.

>>779796

>because it traces itself back to St. Peter (using history and its own historical records), the actual apostolic line of succession has never been disputed.

But there isn't only one church that traces back to st Peter, so why is the Roman church the only one with authority?

>Sure. If you say that Christ's promise that He would be in the midst of any two people in His name disqualifies the "church of rome", then no Church is then qualified. It's just a large and loose band of believers believing in whatever. Non-denominational Christianity.

It doesn't immediately disqualify the church of Rome, but it doesn't support the doctrine of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The band isn't necessarily loose and "believing in whatever" either, the people come together at churches to worship, and they follow the doctrine laid out by christ in the scriptures. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says "all scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work". That is scriptural evidence for sola scriptura, and the Roman church giving authority to tradition that isn't backed by scripture violates that verse as well as Revelation 22:18: "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book".

>>779688

I'm giving up this one to, just so you know, because I think it would be better to spend time reading the works of Saints than heretical anons, no offense

>>779674

>Jesus gave His Church the authority to bind and loosen teachings and traditions on Heaven and Earth, and His Church has asked you for a period of fasting in memory of Christ.

This is not what I meant, I saw somewhere that lent is based off a period when Christ went to the desert alone to fast and pray, or something along these lines.

>>779828

I understand. However, I barely come to this board in the first place and I feel that giving it up entirely would cut off a valuable resource in learning about God. Heretical anons are nice to see anyways beecause they're good ways to learn how to spot heresy. Regardless, I hope you succeed in your promise, brother.

>>779716

Clearly, but this is where I have to start.

I will be giving up Dunkin Donuts - I have become addicted to drinking it, going there to idly kill time, and in lustful pursuit of the girls that work there.

>>779830

Sorry, we're at a moment where we constantly have to give reasoning for -everything- we do.

>no recreational internet or computer use

>no swear words

This is my first Lent since I’m in the process of converting, I’m giving up 4chan because I just tend to argue and am overly tempted by the lewd posts. It might not seem like much, but I spend too much time there.

>>779960

Good on you for quitting that terrible place. Don't forget to pray the rosary. It'll help immensely when it comes to defeating vice.

Even if you already chose something, you should watch this. It made me rethink my decisions and a lot of people could really use that.

>>773726

So April 18th youll be back to being a drug addict?

>>779621

>2 Timothy 3:16-17

>All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

>Profitable, as in useful for

>Not sufficient

<"Hey look this verse says scripture is all we need!"

Truly you guys deserve the Olympic gold in Mental Gymnastics.

>>779960

I want to give it up but I don't know where else to get my happenings.

>>780056

Twitter is unironically better, @Borzoopers is part of the TRS crew, but he’s a sharp guy and a good place to find other good posters to follow.

>>780056

You could just look at the news. 4chan has literally never figured out something first. 90% of the "happenings" were spread around facebook or on CNN days before 4chan started screaming about it.

As an Orthodox I will give up on Catholics. I think they're unsaved.

Protein bars. I've been eating those suckers nearly every day for gains.

>>780134

Drive-by comment only meant to sow discord

>>780131

That's wrong though. The news only sends stories our way. 4chan investigates. I'm not a /pol/ack but I trust the journalistic integrity of a hundred anonymous posters more than one ""reporter"" from any mainstream news source. I wish I were joking but this is the absolute state of media today.

>>775863

I thought your post was silly until I read your first reply. I realized my beard was also a point of pride so I shaved off mine as well. I was nervous at first but that just reaffirmed to me that it was prideful for me. Feel great now that its done, thanks for that!

I am giving up masturbation. I did it last year and by the end felt great but, wanted to jerk off the day after Easter. When I came it was awesome but, I actually felt like something like a super power leave me.

So in the end I want a better sleep schedule, to read more, and to give up masturbation. Hopefully this time I don't fall into temptation.

>>780172

That one "reporter" has 100 anonymous interns doing the research. The reporter is reporting, nothing more. That's how news works, FYI.

>>780413

Knowing is the first step brother, now that you've acknowledged it the penance can begin.

These are small things in my opinion, but just as important.

Again I'll be growing it out again after Easter, but giving up something of pride and maintaining a shaving discipline is a nice addition to Lent.

>>779992

Did you even read the next verse or did you just stop when your narrative was supported?

>17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

The man of God is complete with scripture, and equipped for every good work, why would he need other traditions outside of scripture?

I used to observe Lent, gave up alcohol, marijuana, sugars, coffee every Lent for many years. Coffee was always the hardest. I find no conflict with marijuana and my relationship with GOD, in fact, I do more in depth prayer and study when I am high.

>>780899

>I used to observe Lent, gave up alcohol, marijuana, sugars, coffee every Lent for many years. Coffee was always the hardest. I find no conflict with marijuana and my relationship with GOD, in fact, I do more in depth prayer and study when I am high.

FYI, you're a Christian. Not a Rasta.

This year I am giving up Jordan Peterson lectures and discussions about them. I am not sure if it is enough or if I should do more.

>>780904

Hey man, it's better than nothing. Peterson is a heretic anyway. You are doing yourself a good service by cutting him out of your life.

>not sure if I should do more

Baby steps. Just make sure to pray and gives thanks to God our Father. The fact that you are trying to improve yourself is already good in His eyes. though if you want you can quit caffeine like I am, but you don't have to

>>780837

>The man of God is complete with scripture

How can someone be complete with something that's profitable but not sufficient?

It's clearly saying that Scripture helps in making one complete, but definitely not that it's sufficient.

>Did you even read the next verse or did you just stop when your narrative was supported?

You whole narrative is that you rewrite Scripture by changing the word profitable into sufficient.

>>773769

>twitter

>it is an accursed website that only infuriates me.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamen!!

>>778187

(kek)