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schismatics

>>773587

They're back in communion with Rome my dude.

>On 20 November 2016, Pope Francis personally extended for priests of the society, until further provisions are made, the faculty by which "those faithful who, for various reasons, attend churches officiated by the priests of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X, can validly and licitly receive the sacramental absolution of their sins"

>>773592

no - that's not a reconciliation from schism, it just means the Church acknowledges the validity of SSPX confessional absolution

the Church does the same for the Orthodox, whom are also schismatics

>>773563

Based and red pilled. Lefebvre did nothing wrong. Go to their website and check out their stuff.

>>773608

No it doesn't.

>>773563

SSPX have no canonical standing with the Church and they tell people not to goto the Ordinary Form mass, look into the FSSP or the other numerous latin mass societies, your diocese might even have one, or a few.

>>773674

Well in my area the FSSP church is staffed by the same kind of effeminate, likely homosexual "men" as the novus ordo churches. Meanwhile the SSPX priests are normal, manly people who don't talk with lisps. I think I'll stick with the SSPX.

>>773675

>I will go to illegitimate ministers because they're manly

sounds effeminate

>>773680

Your homosexual novus ordo priest probably already excommunicated himself after giving one of his fellow homosexuals absolution after they hired a gay prostitute together. We've only had about a million stories of effeminate homosexual priests doing this. I doubt many novus ordo ministers are still legitimate.

>>773563

>As long as the Society does not have a canonical status in the Church, its ministers do not exercise legitimate ministries in the Church. There needs to be a distinction, then, between the disciplinary level, which deals with individuals as such, and the doctrinal level, at which ministry and institution are involved. In order to make this clear once again: until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers – even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty – do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church.

Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, 2009

>>773691

Don't look at the spoilers, you might get triggered!

>>773632

>Go to their website and check out their stuff.

Why don't you provide a link brah?

>>773675

>a religions is as correct as much as it condemns homos

Get out with that fagocentric worldview.

I will judge any denomination based on it's fruits and SSPX is frankly nothing more than legalism pushed to the extreeme.

Not that I approve of Vat2, but it had SOME good ideas. As a wholeI would prefer throwing it out, but if possible, we should keep the baby and only get rid of the bathwater.

>>773701

>I will judge any denomination based on it's fruits

Homosexuals in the hierarchy of the Church is the biggest issue facing Catholicism today. And if you are judging based on fruits, then you will surely have to judge the SSPX better than the novus ordoites, since the novus ordo Church is collapsing while the SSPX is thriving.

>>773700

http://sspx.org/en/faq-page

>muh secret club

>>773747

You do realise that there are such things as:

1. Diocesan Tridentine Mass

2. The FSSP

3. The ICKSP

None of which require the rotten fruits of the SSPX, vid related.

>>773880

There would be no FSSP without SSPX…

>>773885

Exactly. Without the SSPX the Latin Mass and every aspect of what it has always meant to be a Catholic would have been memory-holed out of existence. The bishops tried to stamp out the Latin Mass and the SSPX had to fight hard to preserve it.

>>773880

Michael Voris is in no position to criticize anyone else. The SSPX are good holy men who preserve authentic Catholicism

>>773682

>he judges the church based on the man

pathetic. did the people whom Judas exorcised or offered absolution to abandon Christ?

>>773892

Michael Voris is an active homosexual who only publicly repented after being caught out. SSPX are schismatics, and are in no way holy.

SSPX was a form of competition which has kept the traditional calendar alive. Probably a good place to take your kids in a school

>>773906

>SSPX are schismatics

For good reason. The Vatican II sect is completely and utterly compromised. 70% of Priests are active homosexuals and the Novus Ordo is a complete joke. If SSPX are schismatic then the follow up question is why do you remain on the side of the schism that is clearly corrupt and satanic?

>>773914

You would abandon your mother when she is afflicted with cancer.

>>773930

You're siding with the tumor against your mother.

>>773933

The Throne of Peter is where the body lays

>>773972

The Church is the body of believers, not a building, a throne, or a single person.

>>773974

The Church is with the Seat of St. Peter. Any church that is not with this church, is not the Church.

>>773976

The SSPX are not sedevacantists.

>>773983

They are in schism.

>>773992

They're in schism with the tumor, not the Chair of St. Peter.

>>774001

They are in schism with the Pope

>>774002

Nope. They are not.

>>774003

The Pope the head of the church says they are.

>>774005

Unless he declares something ex cathedra then an individual Pope can be wrong about something just like any other ordinary person.

SSPX are cool guys, they fought for the extraordinary form when nobody else would. Also their publishing arm, Angelus press, is probably the best bookstore you can get.

In terms of their status, it's debated. Theyre basically in full communion, but under disciplinary measures. They should fix that, and they could easily.

However, these days you can get extraordinary form priests in most dioceses. There isnt really a reason to go for SSPX

>>773563

They saved the Latin Mass so in a way Lefeb preserved the Church against the work of Satan. I'll give him that much, I don't care either way I have diocesan tridentine in my city.

>>774018

I can only chalk it up to the effeminacy of the times that they haven't been declared out and out schismatic. I imagine the Vatican is hoping the founding schismatic generation will simply pass, and their successors will return to Rome, but I've yet to see any proof of that.

>>774005

No he doesn't. The Popes have said and say now that sspx is within the church, therefore not in schism. If you declare someone to be in schism who the pope says is not in schism then you become the schismatic

>>774416

nice try

>>774593

wait a minute

if the pope isn't the pope…then who is he?! the nega pope?!

>>774602

the poope