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The same thing happened at USC(albiet not catholic), the ivy leagues, Notre Dame, and Southern Methodist. Either they just start abbreviating themselves in refering to their name, or they drop the Christian portion.

What do protestants think when they realize secularist society is more anti-catholic than anti-protestants?

Do they think secularism is good because of this, or do they realize that Catholics are specifically targeted because they are true to the original faith?

>>761234

Sadly the continued pursuit of money and bowing to the idol of liberalism take more and more universities from their heritage

>>761236

Secularist society is anti-Christ. All Christians are targeted. The RCC is not special in that regard

>>761335

Destroying the Catholic image has been their main agenda.

>>761236

>secularist society is more anti-catholic than anti-protestants?

What papists actually believe

>>761236

Maybe the reason Catholics are targeted more is because they pledge loyalty to a foreign king, holders of the office of which have previously used this loyalty to wage war against unfriendly nations, as well as do all manner of unspeakable acts because while a State only punish you in this life, Catholics believe this small-k king can punish them for eternity. (Well, as long as future kings support the actions of the previous king, because the RCC doesn't declare anyone to be in hell, but as long as it's supported it's assumed God does in their minds)

Maybe people look at Catholics with suspicion because of how they "reverence" this king, previous kings, servants of the king, people who were killed in the name of the king, and even ask them, dead or alive, to pray for them as if God is hard of hearing.

Maybe it's because beyond this, in the past when the king was actually powerful, speaking out against his royal Majesty or his Kingdom led to death or torture.

Maybe it's for all of these reasons and more.

>>761236

that made me chuckle. and i farted a little, too.

a real fart, loud and not squishy (i've not been raped by thousands of catholic priest over the last 100 years.)

>>761489

As much as Catholics go on about being the True Faith™, I can't help but notice they go strangely quiet whenever Catholic history is brought up.

>>761232

Nobody cares about college degrees anymore anyway.

In a few years they'll just be cesspools for degenerates and no company will want to hire them due to "PAY MEH BECUH MUH VAGINA" bull they spew.

>>761750

>some catholic monarch does something stupid

perhaps if you bothered to read a history book, you'd be catholic anyway. unless you're eastern european, your ancestors were catholic anyway.

>>761489

if more people actually listened to the Pope on faith and morals, a ton of bad garbage would have been avoided

feel free to pretend that the Reformation had anything to do with real religion, and not the State attempting to steal Church property though.

>>761793

>if more people actually listened to the Pope on faith and morals, a ton of bad garbage would have been avoided

Yes, certainly it's the flock's fault that the shepherd failed to lead and feed them.

Pious Catholics cannot be loyal citizens of any nation as the Vatican can usurp their loyalty to their country at any time. Luckily, there are very few Catholics actually pious to this degree anymore, thus making the papacy an outdated relic of an ignorant age.

>>761801

>Pious Catholics cannot be loyal citizens of any nation as the Vatican can usurp their loyalty to their country at any time

prove it

>>761803

thinking on the topic now, the only historical situation I can call that…kinda, sorta, meets this uncharitable anon's criteria is the Guy Fawkes' plot, but that was after all the beheadings and persecutions, so that was a bit more of a retaliatory insurrection rather than "le pope king tell us to do bad thing!!!"

>>761805

>>761803

You don't get it. It doesn't matter if a power hasn't been used yet if it can be used. Geopolitical power is mostly about what you can do if pushed, not what you have done.

Medieval popes constantly used their ability to mobilize Catholics against their governments or foreign governments in diplomacy. It was part of the power of the papacy—at one point, if the pope excommunicated a king, the king was in real danger of losing the throne or at least had a serious political problem on his hands, as in the case of Philip IV of France, Frederick II of the Holy Roman Empire, and King John of England.

Popes of Rome even used their imaginary power to give people free tickets to Heaven to mobilize hoards of faithful, but spiritually blinded, Catholics to go to war with other Christian nations during the Fourth Crusade.

However even if you deny every single one of my historical examples, the very fact that the Pope can declare a crusade against a nation, and that the faithful actually believed they were at risk of Hell unless they joined his army, means that pious Catholics are more faithful to the Vatican than to their nation.

His Kingdom is not of this world.

Luckily, as written, very few Catholics are pious in this way anymore. The pope could never get away with using this power as he could have in medieval Europe. That ship has sailed, now he's just a man in a wizard costume who preaches environmentalism, anti-proselytism, tolerance, and liberal values.

>>762260

>You don't get it. It doesn't matter if a power hasn't been used yet if it can be used.

So you've completely failed to point out any historical example and have changed the topic. Well!

>Medieval popes constantly used their ability to mobilize Catholics against their governments or foreign governments in diplomacy.

usually with good cause, sure you can find me a just king that defied the Pope with good reason? in fact, there have been a few situations where certain kings (like St. Louis the IX) ignored Papal threats of excommunication! Where did the evil Catholics rebel against their sovereign?

>His Kingdom is not of this world.

His Kingdom is not part of the State, which is the inevitable teet you turn to when you turn from the Church.

>>762263

Ah yes, "with good reason."

The State is the power ordained by God to rule on this Earth. (Romans 13:1) During the medieval period, the Church was the State. However, even when Catholics are outside of their country, at one time most of Europe, then the Papal States, and today Vatican City, instead of subjugating themselves to the authorities, they instead follow a foreign State.

So yes, society is more anti-Catholic than anti-Protestant, because pious Catholics are fellow patriots only as long as the king of Vatican City is supportive of, or at least ambivalent towards, their government. Being anti-Catholic is right, their king is not my king.

>>762260

>His Kingdom is not of this world.

His physical kingdom has not yet been established, but that doesn't mean you should be complacent with sinful governments and their mandates.

>>762295

>but that doesn't mean you should be complacent with sinful governments and their mandates.

You're not supposed to be a criminal; laws requiring evil deeds are invalid but immoral acts from a state official do not justify immoral acts from a subject of that state. If your state isn't so harsh that they would physically stop innocent commoners from fleeing, then you have no need to do anything else. Jesus didn't run around assassinating Roman officials or burning their chariots despite them committing many of the same evils as the ultra-elites of today.

>>762295

Who said anything about being complacent?

>>761687

You just proved his point.

>>761232

>Thinking that any """Catholic""" educational institution is authentically Catholic

This hasn't been the case since the 60's.

>>761335

>RCC is not special in that regard

>t. clueless

>>762415

Additionally, the Church is the only sovereign in all existence and the authority of any "secular" ruler is derived from that of the Church itself and the Pope as the vicar of Christ on earth. Negotium pacis et fidei - the business of the peace and the faith is a critical component of this relationship.

>Wisconsin

>>762586

Religion>>>>Nation.