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Speaking in tongues Christanon 01/19/19 (Sat) 05:45:21 498093 No.758220

Mark 16:17-

>17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

I went to a charismatic church for a long time. I was essentially forced to speak in tongues to show that I was filled with the spirit. Anyone can do it, just start babbling things that sound like words but aren't and you're golden. I saw many, many sick people have hands laid on them but I never saw any of them recover. I saw many people come up and have preachers try to cast demons out of them, but I never saw them exhibit any sort of change afterwards that showed it has worked. I never saw anyone handling snakes or drinking poison though.

I eventually realized that charismatic churches major on speaking in tongues because anyone can do it so you don't need the Spirit of God to fake it. But you can't fake healing the sick. Either they get healed or they don't.

This brings up a question though. Thye bible says those signs shall follow the preaching of the word to confirm the word that was preached. Since those signs basically never happen, why do we consider the preaching that passes as Christian nowadays to be the word of God? Shouldn't we see the lack of the miraculous as a warning sign that we are in error and then do some deep sould searching to find out where we went wrong?

Christanon 01/19/19 (Sat) 05:59:22 1b0948 No.758224

Any preaching only has authority as far as it is directly drawn from the text. The preacher is a mirror from the text to the listener.

Research cessationism

Christanon 01/19/19 (Sat) 06:26:45 7bad29 No.758231

Speaking in tongues was given in the context of the Great Commission first and foremost. i.e. "Preach the Gospel to the all nations of the world". Babbling in a place where people apparently already believe isn't much use here. And secondly, over time, that doesn't mean God wouldn't utilize traditional instruction of languages. It's just that in the sense of Jesus' great commission, there was a specific urgency to spread the good news across the Roman empire. This expediency especially saw it's fulfillment in AD 70.

If people were taught about AD 70, there might very well be less of these issues. But it's funny considering that Pentecostal churches often coincide with Dispensational/Scofield churches, who don't want you to learn about AD 70 at all or see the urgency in Jesus' message as dealing with the people he was speaking to THERE. They don't want you to learn about why Peter and Mary and the Apostles all spoke in tongues at Jerusalem during Pentecost, at a time when people all around the world would be able to hear. No, they want you to babble and be a laughing stock to the world instead.. in effect, destroying the Gospel's image rather than spreading it.

As for miracles, plenty of miracles have happened in the church through the years. It's especially in the story of various missionary workers not mentioned in the New Testament. But Protestants/Pentecostals wouldn't teach about those either. Because they're traditional saints. And that's evil or something. Or at best, childish fables. But if you read the stories of St. Patrick (Ireland) or St. Nina (Georgia) you see stories of "mini apostles" who had miracles follow them and helped build the church that exists to this day.

Christanon 01/19/19 (Sat) 07:03:52 a30d5b No.758239

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Might not answer OP's question, but relevant.

Christanon 01/19/19 (Sat) 07:58:37 14bd36 No.758253

>Since those signs basically never happen

Wrong. Many have happened and still happen, but prots will deny them because they were performed by members of the Church they decided to split from.

>charismatic church

It is necessary to avoid these. The "tongues" are generally either faked (as yours seem to have been) or the result of demonic influence. The imposition of hands is done in them without proper authority and is, at best, ineffective, and at worst leads to a worse situation.

Christanon 01/19/19 (Sat) 19:22:29 dbf462 No.758441

I grew up in a full on Zionist-Evangelical Charismatic church. I once managed to speak in tongues while emotionally agitated at a church service. Turns out I have both a hypomaniac and seizure condition and it meant nothing.

Christanon 01/20/19 (Sun) 00:50:20 efd3bb No.758613

>>758239

That video gets me every time. I have no idea how anyone can think that babbling "Shabba labba ding dong" is what the Apostles did.

Christanon 01/20/19 (Sun) 03:15:18 442650 No.758646

I don't like it.

Christanon 01/20/19 (Sun) 04:11:07 f46de4 No.758679

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>>758220

Christanon 01/20/19 (Sun) 22:06:54 af2557 No.758981

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Up until recently, many saints did perform many miracles actually. We have zero actual saints right now, because we are in end times. The great apostasy is underway. The main thing we are waiting for is really whoever the son of perdition is. Not sure who it is yet, or if he has appeared or not.

Christanon 01/20/19 (Sun) 22:10:02 dfab9c No.758983

>>758981

RCC saint miracles are just myths from a superstitious age

Christanon 01/20/19 (Sun) 22:13:33 af2557 No.758984

>>758983

>RCC saint miracles are just myths from a superstitious age

Go back to leddit you atheist

Christanon 01/22/19 (Tue) 18:00:53 2ab0c3 No.759887

>mon-Christians surprisingly lacking grace and make stuff up