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>>748715

I know that.

But I am not Jesus, it is not like I can recruit random men and start a church.

So what I do?

>>748749

Like I don't care if they don't listen, but you need to make it fair, they should know what they're doing.

I don't say this because they'll listen. I actually think the female teachers will not listen because females aren't supposed to be teaching religion, but they still are, so they probably have some modernism in them anyways. You should still tell them this anyways.

>>748751

> I actually think the female teachers will not listen because females aren't supposed to be teaching religion

Teaching in public/church is forbidden. Not teaching religion in general. Both parents are supposed to instruct their children. And the apostles made a point that all exhort each other (Hebrews 3:13). We'd all be just as culpable if we see an evil and don't teach and correct anything about it. And God chose a woman to announce the greatest religious message of all: his resurrection.

Not trying to spread liberal nonsense or anything. Just pointing out that we're not called to be dick swinging macho man Muslims.

>>748721

Look into becoming Orthodox

I simply think that paying attention to this is stupid. I am just happy if someone goes to church.

>>748768

But just going to Church doesn't save someone. Like, its supposed to be a big part of it but it usually isn't. And it usually isn't with converts in areas with problems like >>748714 describes.

>I don't care about this thing that is affecting something I hold as important

>>748738

Say the dudes who started the meme of female acolytes.

And despite what the world is trying to push there are no women dominating the Catholic Church (except Mary of course).

The ones that tried are now excommunicated and were "ordinated" at a synagogue I'm not even joking

>>748798

Catholic church has no female leadership in vatican but huge parts of volunteer work, ministries, and so on, is done by females.

And the Catholic church has more female and than male chuirchgoers.

>>748714

>women are more spiritual

Huh?

I see quite the opposite.

What a shitty thread, and what spacing, do they have a link to this place on reddit or something?

>>748812

>And the Catholic church has more female and than male chuirchgoers.

Maybe women sin more than men :^)

It's true there aren't many single fathers dragging their children to church.

>>748814

Women appear to be drawn to mystical elements of religion throughout the world. This is perhaps a reaction to feelings of powerlessness in traditionally patriarchal cultures. Femininity features prominently in occult traditions.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how Marian observances can be appealing to people of the female sex.

Constantly thinking of oneself as man or woman is a sign of the fallen state. Not the risen one God gave you in baptism.

Mk 12:25 - For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Gal 3:23 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

When we reference this reality, we reference something broken from Adam and Eve… then further added with curses pronounced by God. But just as this came from our first parents, Baptism is DEATH and a beginning of one's own resurrection where you inherit new life in Christ.

There's no denying these differences are real, but they shouldn't be in one's walk with Christ. Once you start bringing in old Fallen habits into the things of a Risen Life with God, you're creating unnecessary problems.

>>748818

It's not a super secret club. 8chan has an official Twitter, a Wikipedia page, and can easily be found through Google. Welcome to the surface web.

Lots of babble

Vote with your feet and stop going to modernist feminine churches

>>748714

i agree, which is why i'm going to convert as many angry white men to tradcatholicism as i can. the church should really be prioritizing this, but insteadd, all they care about is fricking guatemalens.

>>748933

I did. Now I relaize that if all men stop going to the feminine churches… they allow the problem to fester and get worse.

Looking at the history of secularisation in Britain youll find a situation very similar to that which you speak off.

Men start dropping out of the churches around 1900, a lot of church work from then on the dominated by women. (See Brown and Bruce on British religion). However in the 1960s women start rapidly dropping out leading to a near enough collpoase of British religiosity.

We have not be very careful however when deciding what is to be done. From a British perspective the church now needs to appeal to both women and men.(i dont know if your american or whatever so it may be different)

On a side note , in the Victorian era England there was a movement called 'muscular Christianity' which as set up to tackle anxieties about the church becoming effeminate, perhaps we need some of that now

>>748738

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>>749049

YMCA came out to destroy this very concept.

Most people don't even know what the YMCA was.

>>749180

You are right, sorry for that.

I sadly lost some of the links, but I will paste two of them.

http://magazine.biola.edu/article/06-spring/the-feminization-of-the-church/

https://blog.capterra.com/where-are-all-the-men-exploring-the-gender-gap-in-church/

Also I ended having to do a prayer for forgiveness, after I was reading the bible at random and stumbled into this:

Luke 9:

23 Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. 24 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. 25 What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self? 26 Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.

>>748714

Women are more childlike, the modern world tries to take that from them. This childlike love for Christ is key in becoming a better Christian.

>>754415

Meh I wouldn't say that the numbers are much lower.

At least where I live I've met 0 devout Catholic girls (under 60 years old of course) and 1 devout Catholic man (excluding the priests).

>>748714

>I was arguing with some christian women

>arguing with women

Do not

However judos on you becoming more masculine. I'm proud of you anon

>>754415

>and not what was promised

Who promised you a woman?

>>754415

Tl;dr: I cant get a gf and it's everyone elses fault

>not what was promised

Nobody owes you a wife.

>>748721

Anon, you could join BSF (bible study fellowship - https://www.bsfinternational.org ). There is almost certainly a men's group located somewhere within driving distance from you. And if not, email the nearest one anyway and they'll figure something out for you. BSF is truly an amazing experience, I say this from personal experience. I literally went from being in church, leaving church because of basically similar issues like the ones you bring up here (eventually it felt very naive and childlike), and there were none in the church I was in growing up able to provide me the books and teaching I needed to take on the secular philosophy I was encountering (along with college happening and related shenanigans related to me being that age and plus male) and it's all too easy to abandon the church completely as see it as a women cult. In any event (skipping all of the details in the middle) I later realized on my own that I was wrong and there is a lot of wisdom in the bible. I joined a church, and – for exactly the reasons you are mentioning right here – new that I also needed to find some type of men's group to join. I joined BSF. You will get out of it exactly in proportion to how much you put into it. I cannot emphasize enough how spiritually productive BSF has been for me.

Lastly, in case you are about to go off and research "BSF" to find out their mission statement and etc., don't bother, truly. What it actually is is a group of men who meet up who want to go through the bible together in a serious, focused manner. If you do not like the one you went to, try another one. Your experience will vary, as the men at each location differ from one another.

There are men from all different faiths and walks of life. You don't have to use a particular version of the bible. That is immensely helpful, actually. Each week, you all read through the same passages, and think about and respond to questions, and then, each week, come back and have some accountability to each other as you relay back what you've learned from it. Having contact with people from other christian backgrounds and different life experiences has been immensely useful. This can also help you select a church in your area, as you will be able to ask around there among the men there.

>worship

Also, worship (and the lecture, if you choose to do that part of it) – and interactions– is way different in an audience of just dudes. It's really actually opened my eyes to much of everything is catered around women in the church. It's much more about disseminating practical wisdom as efficiently as possible, and in sharing in each others struggles.

Also just fyi I go to the adult men one. They have other ones but if you're an adult man then be one. I'm definitely on the younger side relative to most of the folks there, but that's only because I think of exactly what you said, our age group is missing in general everywhere.

>>755302

>all different faiths

This is not correct. I meant to say "denominations". It does tend to be protestant, but it's more like the "quaker" type of protestant where you can speak if you have something you would like to contribute.

Importantly, there is also enough structure to also limit the ability of the random ramblings of a foolish or naive person to disrupt the entire enterprise. This is accomplished primarily through decentralization (i.e., you may express your opinion, but you must also allow others to speak also so that they can express theres. In practice, there are enough men there (and not nearly enough time) to make it impossible for anyone to derail the thing entirely. Plus, the people that consistently have wise things to say are usually asked to share and explain their opinions more often. At least in my group. Catholics attend also, btw. Orthodox is less common in my area, but I am sure there are those as well.

God speed, brother!

>>749033

>>749607

>muscular christianity

in that vein, check out the music thread (https://8ch.net/christian/res/703403.html ), there is a playlist at the bottom very good for this purpose.

demon hunter - jesus wept https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuU11LXdEF4

>>755346

Men have failed women, anon. Fix yourself, fix your community. The women will follow. Women are not actively reshaping society , men are. You blame the producers of the filth and degeneracy , but the demand produces the producers of it. You can’t be hypocritical in this respect , kill the demand for it , kill the production of it. The demand is far more of a cause here than the people attempting to “sell” it. Everyone needs to make a living somehow , and who knows what thst girl needs right then as far as money and things go, or what the prior men did thst corrupted her enough to be like that (meditate on this , and imagine how truly terrible those experiences must have been for her to turn her into that, and then look at how many women are like this, and think about what thst must mean about the men who she has encountered in life). Yes , it’s a sin, but the bigger sin is men. The Bible gives men responsibility over women, who do you think ought to be blamed when you and I, who have not acted like Men , are not treated like one? The problem is us, anon. also God is teaching us , I think. We followed our bodies and this is the consequence, but don’t think for a second we ourselves did not do this. Do you think there are no consequences to your porn habit ? That demand from your “private” behavior at night restructures the entire economy of the world , you can reason your own share off (as I and I am sure you generally somehow do) as a small part of thst) , but realize that the demand would be sapped and the entire “porn economy” would crumble immediately, overnight, and ripple throughout the entire internet and the world if men all around the world stopped giving them web traffic because “everyone else does”. The demand causes the content and the drives the behavior of the producers of the content. it is NOT the other way around.

>>755346

>posts on an online imageboard with anime and video game memes

>waa why can't I get a trad gf :(

Something is telling me that it's not the girls around you who's failing expectations for relationships

The church needs real balence. Too feminine and you get some Catholic Church having girls in skirts dancing like hippies in front of the holy alter. Too masculine, or rather worldly masculinity, and you get megachurch pastors walking in jeans and Metalica and inserting sex jokes in their sermons. The church is a bride, but also an army, and we need the power and nobility of a knighthood. The world has neither, and God, by his son and his mother have both.

>>755352

>Making up a strawman to white knight this hard

>>755355

At the risk of sounding MGTOW, don’t improve yourself for a woman. Improve yourself for yourself and God. Nobody is entitled to a woman, and a true man of honor knows how to live a life without a woman. That isn’t to say marriage isn’t a sacrament or something that’s ordained by God, but on the other hand, Marriage is the only one of the seven sacraments that’s optional, and despite identifying as Orthodox, I would say that Holy Orders, or merely a vow to God, is a worthy substitute.

All that is to say, never grow dispondant over the lack of a mate. Peter lost his wife to death, and yet he found that God had other plans for him, and becoming the very first bishop of Rome and founding what is still the most powerful church in the world for better or worse probably wouldn’t have been possible had he had children to take care of.

>>755357

I agree with all of this, I'm only saying that the previous poster was not at all lamenting his lack of success with women by stating negative opinions about modern women, which happen to be true.

>>755367

The exact same could easily be said of men. Men are by far no better than women, even worse in some regards. Why do you think you deserve a perfect wife if you barely even meet the standard of what a man should be yourself

>b..b..but I really am the perfect guy!

It's a fair assumption to make that anybody spewing MGTOW talking points and anime pictures on an anonymous internet forum probably has some deficiencies as a man

>>755379

Stop making assumptions. I never said that this wasn't an issue brought about by men as well, nor did I say I was in any way perfect or even deserving of a wife. If you want to start a fight, then go elsewhere.