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>>746292

I'll bite …

>the temple being rebuilt

Christ is the temple

>weapons of destruction being destroyed

Death was conquered

>dead rising

Lazarus

Anything else?

>>746315

/thread

>>746292

It's not like Jesus showed up for 3 years, fulfilled everything possible, and disappeared. Jesus still acts in the world by His Spirit, so the prophecies began to be fulfilled at His nativity but their fullfilment will only be complete at the eschaton. It's not only "they'll be fulfilled during the second coming" but "they're being fulfilled right now".

Now, with that said,

>>746315

already addresses those. Surely you have other objections than those extremely basic ones.

>>746315

These are satisfactory answers anon, thank you. I'll copy and paste a few more that I've found:

>Isaiah 1:26: "And I will restore your judges as at first and your counsellors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City."

>Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance (Isaiah 2:4)

>The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:11–17)

>The "spirit of the Lord" will be upon him, and he will have a "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)

>Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)

>Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)

>All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)

>Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)

>There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)

>All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)

Still waiting on the zombie apocalypse, too.

>The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)

>Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)

>The people of Israel will have direct access to the Torah through their minds and Torah study will become the study of the wisdom of the heart (Jeremiah 31:33)

To be honest I haven't looked into the verses referenced by most of these so if they're innacurate or something please correct me.

>>746322

Whoops accidentally left a bit of text in there from the one of the lists I copy and pasted, excuse that please some of those lists were pretty confrontational and had an anti-Christian bias, I apologize in advance.

>>746322

Do you not realize that several of the prophecies in the Prophets are specifically eschatological? What do you think the Day of the Lord is?

Some of these, like Isaiah 26:19, are understood to be about the eschaton even in Jewish theology.

>>746331

Jews still say that the messiah is supposed to be a mortal religious leader who will not die and come back during the end of times but will fullfill the prophecies during his lifetime, where in scripture they based this off of I'm not entirely sure. Jews also tend to say that God's law is eternal and God isn't prone to whimsy such as the following:

Genesis 17:9, Exodus 12:14, 12:17, 12:24 12:43, 13:3, 27:21, 28:43, 29:9, 30:21, 31:17, 34:27, Leviticus 3:17, 6:22, 7:34-36, 10:9, 10:15, 16:29, 16:31, 16:34, 17:7, 23:14, 23:21, 23:31, 23:41, 24:3, 26:46, Numbers 10:8, 15:15, 19:10, 19:21, 18:23, 35:29, Deuteronomy 4:40, 5:29, 12:28, 18:5, 28:46, 29:28-29, 32:40

>>746322

If you want my honest opinion, you're looking a little too hard at the whole thing. You're worrying about words instead of ideas, missing the forest for the trees. Did Jesus fulfill the Messianic prophecies? Yes. Did Jesus fulfill the lawyer's minutia? …

>>746364

Incidentally, are you looking at an English Bible for these verses or have you studied Hebrew and the language of Torah?

>>746369

That's interesting, I'll think about that, thanks anon.

>>746371

English Bible

>>746315

>Lazarus

And likely many thousands of others.

>50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

>51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

>52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

>53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Dead people rising everywhere.

Thank you all for the answers you have given me, I really do appreciate them. I do have one more burning question still sort of left unanswered however. Is there any particular part of the OT/Hebrew Bible that foretells Christ's second coming? I know of Isaiah 53 and Daniel 9:26, but a mention of anything else I may have forgotten or have looked over would be very kind!

>>746292

>Jesus doesn't fullfill many of the Messianic prophecies mentioned in the OT, particularly in Isaiah

>particularly in Isaiah

What of Isaiah 53?

>>746431

Oh yes, that was my mistake. I do recognize Isaiah 53 but wasn't thinking about it during the time of writing the OP. I was more thinking about the other prophecies in Isaiah. Please excuse that blunder, I apologize.

The weapons being made into plowshares and resurrection of the dead are eschatological, related to the millennial reign that hasn't come yet and the end times

>>746425

"Joy to the world" is about the second coming and is based on psalm 98

>>746425

And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.

Zechariah 12:10 ESV

John referenced this in his gospel in 19:37.

Zechariah chapters 12-14 are all about the Day of the Lord.

Merry Christmas everyone! Thank you all for your wonderful answers, they are exceptional and I obviously have much more studying of the Bible to do. Speaking of that, I did come upon two verses that lead me to ask another question, I hope they aren't getting annoying at this point.

These verses being Matthew 16:28 and Mark 13:30.

What is Jesus referring to in Matthew 16:28? The Transfiguration that follows? His resurrection? Or his Second Coming? If it's his Second Coming then there are obvious problems right? And what does Jesus mean by this "generation" in Mark 13:30? At first glance these verses seem to be contradictions and discredit Christ's legitmacy, but I'm sure there is an explanation and I'd be very grateful if anyone would tell me it.

>>746679

Matthew 16:28 most likely refers to the transfiguration (in the next chapter) or the resurrection according to other people.

As for Mark 13:30 this generation means the generation of Christians, in a way to comfort the disciples, telling them they would fail and the generation would still be alive at the second coming. We shouldn't think of this generation as a literal generation of a few decades otherwise the Epistle of Peter wouldn't make sense

2 Peter 3:3-4

>Knowing this first: That in the last days there shall come deceitful scoffers, walking after their own lusts, Saying: Where is his promise or his coming? For since the time that the fathers slept, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

2 Peter 3:7-10

>But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of the ungodly men. But of this one thing be not ignorant, my beloved, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord delayeth not his promise, as some imagine, but dealeth patiently for your sake, not willing that any should perish, but that all should return to penance, But the day of the Lord shall come as a thief, in which the heavens shall pass away with great violence and the elements shall be melted with heat and the earth and the works which are in it shall be burnt up.