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>>745408

But it's always liberalism disguised as conservatism. It has astonishingly confused theology. Pious XIII's mentor was supposedly a traditionalist but all of a sudden was an all-inclusive muh guys liberal. Complete trash.

>>745420

What is your denomination, anon? As a Catholic, I found it an incredibly offensive. The church is supposedly dying of old age (both literally and figuratively), everyone is gay, the Pope is an atheist, Pious is either an austere asshole or a liberal in a conservative's skin. Really bad. It had a couple of kino moments but that segment with Pious XIII dressing up and donning the papal tiara to address the college of cardinals was so out of place it hurt.

>>745423

That is one of my major gripes. They aren't tasteful at all, it's all filthy smut. And the parts in Africa with the nun defrauding the spades was complete nonsense.

>>745550

>They also gave us the catholic wet dream in terms of a pope, don't know if this was the idea or per accident.

Nah, I can't agree at all. His growing homo acceptance is disturbing and the atheism stuff is extremely distasteful.

>>745543

Non-denom. But let me break the show it down for you.

Spoiler warning, I guess.

>As a Catholic, I found it an incredibly offensive

You shouldn't, it was a honest show that showed the good, the bad and the ugly of Catholicism and it's wasn't that bad of a picture that people make it seem.

>The church is supposedly dying of old age

How? Cardinals have to be old since you have to earn your stripes to get there.

>everyone is gay

That one cardinal was gay and a fornicator and he got slaughtered by the Cartel boss.

>the Pope is an atheist

He wasn't. He literally could talk to God and miracles happened. He told people he was atheist to check their reaction and judge their own fate. It was explained to me by someone else since I didn't notice it at first either. At worst you can blame him for lying he was an atheist.

>Pious is either an austere asshole or a liberal in a conservative's skin

That's just nonsense. He acts like an asshole to other assholes and him being liberal is bull. He was considered too conservative even by his conservative peers.

>Really bad

8.4 rating on IMDB.

Honestly, I think you have no taste and you're way too stuck up about your faith that you don't understand all that much.

>>745544

What the hell are you talking about?

>That's like saying that by virtue of being White

I was talking about him not being a Hollywood bloch, but an European director as you can get. Race has nothing to do with anything here.

>>745665

>Non-denom.

Figures.

>That's just nonsense. He acts like an asshole to other assholes and him being liberal is bull. He was considered too conservative even by his conservative peers.

You're wrong, anon. The Bible is quoted exactly one time and it's to excuse the poor poor homos. These arguments came from the mouth of a supposedly traditionalist catholic. It's all nonsense. The way he treated the monks was abhorrent, the way he shunned the nun that was going to cook for him was completely uncalled for, Pious testing his cardinals but being more of a politician than a priest was repulsive, also the way that the season ends with fatty being unable to escape her situation felt like a jab at the faithful.

>8.4 rating on IMDB.

Literally meaningless.

There were some kino moments to be sure despite all the nonsense. And when the first word uttered came at exactly 7 minutes in, I was tricked into thinking I was in to watch something really special. Unfortunately that was not the case.

>>745665

Also, whoever 'enlightened' you about the Pope not being an atheist is completely wrong. This is something that Pious XIII even confesses in his private moments. He's a prideful asshole, not eve the least bit didactic about it, just a political Pope that is maneuvering in a political Church.

Also, something that irks me was the supposed 'scandal' of him consorting with a young girl when he hadn't even took his priestly oath. So stupid.

>>745864

Well, that is certainly a fair point. You can only do so much with sets, shooting the series in locale really made it pop in a good way. I also liked the Italian performances for the most part except his secretary or marketing manager or whatever and the reality TV bimbo that was interviewing the supposed miracle worker. The camera work felt very European in a very good way too and the scenes had a naïvety about them that made me excuse the complete absurdity of the set up (like the rollerskating children at the heliport thing).

The worst part was Africa. My brain cells died on that soil.

>>746005

>Implying someone's faith is false because they don't like the same TV series you do

>xD

No further response is necessary.

>>746006

I guess not.

Complaining that a TV character is just such an asshole, though you clearly don't understand the plot, call people who try to explain it to you weak believers, keep ignoring what other people say and implying some kind of superiority while yourself being a similar type of asshole that you complain about.

That really is nothing to scuff at. Know that you do more damage to your denomination that the show does though.

>>746012

>call people who try to explain it to you weak believers

I went through dac877's posts and I'm afraid I can find no example of him doing that, which would be the ONE thing you would be able to hold up as a argument in this post.

Other than that, not understanding the plot of a TV series does not mean someone's faith is false so those accusations are to be disregarded.

>>746005

>I'm sorry you didn't like it, but you "critique" is just borderline juvenile.

Not only did you needed someone to explain the show to you, you criticise others based on your newfound understanding of the show and call them juvenile. You can like plebeian entertainment all you want, it is no concern of mine, but your apology of the show is preposterous since it actively disregards the very obvious theme of an atheism coming to Christ.

>The camera work was phenomenal, what are you talking about?

You lack reading comprehension.

>xD

Reminder that 8ch is an adult webzone.

>>746012

>weak believers

This has nothing to do with faith, in case your non-denominational sensitivities have you confused this is just a TV series. If you premise one's faith in one's appreciation of smut surely then you are the one that is found lacking in this conversation. Refrain from making any further insinuations of the kind if you please.

Bumping because I forgot this beauty.

>who is the most important contemporary artist

This show has all sorts of degeneracy.