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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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8e2692  No.745245

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndT_zViYIvM&feature=youtu.be

Why is Peterson such an utter idiot who contaminates Christianity with his mediocre modern nonsense?

9bca0c  No.745247

>>745245

Modern understanding of Christianity has been nearly destroyed with memes and subversion. People have recently recognized this so now there's a demand for prophets. The establishment knows this and sent occult wizard Peterson in as controlled opposition to indoctrinate the goyim into occultism.


e500db  No.745254

the eternal boomer strikes again


17a610  No.745337

>>745245

Blame Jung and all the other disciples of the enlightenment


4d8e07  No.745347

>>745245

I like both DBH and JP.


5ec624  No.745351

How can anyone endure his faggy voice.


08e6cd  No.745365

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>>745245

He's jew.


800cde  No.745366

>>745365

His wife sure is


3b060b  No.745496

Because our clergy are weak and ambigous, so a pop version of Christianity is more attractive than the official one they preach


f39258  No.745511

>>745508

He's not a Christian at all.


96488b  No.745614

>>745508

He's definitely not a Christian even if he may be sympathetic to it and tries to create a new interpretation of it.


96488b  No.745615

>>745245

His university lectures are interesting, but his boomer-tier book tour is already played out and boring.


c4b68d  No.745675

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>>745245

>universality vs evolutionist


9435c8  No.745678

>>745675

also

>democratic socialist vs classical liberal


87e570  No.752504

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>745247

>The establishment knows this and sent occult wizard Peterson in as controlled opposition to indoctrinate the goyim into occultism.

This is 100% correct, and he actually calls himself a Christian while doing this. He is teaching something that is fairly close to what Freemasons believe, that the gospel of Jesus Christ is a metaphor for humans being perfected by Lucifer. He reveals this in his book Maps of Meaning.


e04872  No.752510

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>>745245

Doesn't matter if he is Christian or not, by now he brought countless souls to Christianity, more than the entirety of /christian probably ever done.

Mark 9

38 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”

39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me,

40 for whoever is not against us is for us.

41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward."

Surprising that in a Christian forum there would be people against Peterson.

>>745615

Agree, he should go back to his Bible series. I havent been following him since the book stuff started.


c18113  No.752512

>>752504

I agree with you, Jordan is by far the most perversive force in Christianity nowadays.

I'd say even more than the EP, the Pope, all the big faces, etc. At least the former openly say they have no interest in maintaining it, Peterson is downright subversive with his Gnosticism.

Jung said Christ and AntiChrist are two sides of the same coin. No wonder JP actually thinks Good and Evil, or Order and Chaos since he does not even believe in Good, are opposites and he convinces young men of eating his dualistic fruit without them having the mental barriers to protect themselves. At least the former know they are hypocrites, JP is not. He just hates God.


c18113  No.752513

>>752510

Christianity is not nominalism, satanism is.


53e2bd  No.752516

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>>752504

Damn, that makes Jordan Peterson far worse than I originally thought. I was simply annoyed back then because of his lukewarmness and his belief that the Bible is all metaphor but if this is true regarding Freemason influence he is far worse and damaging than I thought.


87e570  No.752519

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>>752512

>Jordan is by far the most perversive force in Christianity nowadays.

Agreed, and it's no coincidence he is being given a worldwide platform by our enemies. I think he may have been chosen by them to begin the introduction of the world religion. Pic related is the banner from his subreddit.

There are a lot of people who think Peterson is helping bring people to Christianity and therefore it does not matter what he personally believes, but the problem is that that is not Peterson's goal. If you go speak with his followers (such as on his subdreddit) you will find that many of them are well aware of Peterson's Gnostic/New Age doctrine, that they consider it to be a good thing, and they (and I assume, Peterson) believe that those who do find their way to true Christianity after consuming Peterson's content have missed the point.

Peterson believes that he is a prophet who was given special dreams that foretold the apocalypse, as well as a dream that told him to prevent that apocalypse by spreading his ideology of "individualism" (he wrote about this in the introduction to his book 12 Rules for Life). He is under the influence of demonic forces, and I believe our enemies are taking advantage of his delusions to push forward their objectives of destroying Christianity and replacing it with something else.

>>752510

Peterson is not casting out demons in Jesus' name, he is preaching an antichrist doctrine in Jesus Christ's name. That is the definition of being against Christ. It is incidental if anyone found their way to true Christianity and became saved because they watched one of his Bible videos. For how many people has he become a stumbling block to true faith?

>>752516

It really is that bad. In fact, it's worse.


c18113  No.752647

>>752519

JBP loves Origen, who was condenmed for rejecting historicity in Genesis. So does every modernist today, they love the guy. Origen pushes and non literal genesis, he's the perfect modernist wet dream.

The EP has stirred controversy on the historicity of the anathemas to push marcionism.

>But is not only on this point that the deranged err and go astray from the straight road (such impiety would be intolerable in comparison with [the other] evils), but they also make myriads of other statements contrary to the Tradition of the Apostles and the Fathers. They throw out the planting of Paradise, they do not want Adam fashioned in the flesh, they object to the moulding of Eve from him, they reject the utterance of the snake… (Synodical Letter 2.4.3: Profession of Creation)


4444bf  No.752712

>>752519

What utter nonsense to suggest there are ulterior motives for a man who actually brings the generation of people who need Christ the most into His hands by teaching them about absolute truth and the value of their existence. Have you ever even listened to a full 2 hour lecture from Peterson or just 5 minute segments on YouTube?

Where are you getting the idea that people who like him believe in a modernist doctrine and think modernism is good? I can't wait to see your leddit and twitter screencaps.

> Peterson thinks he is a prophet

Please give me a citation. How could someone who is "not a Christian" believe themselves to be a prophet?

My journey to Christ started with jbp videos and I ended up a Catholic who believes in the catholic doctrine, not a modernist. If he is the anti-christ like you say then he's terrible at his job.


cdc7fb  No.752714

>>752712

>modernist doctrine and think modernism

He's a classical liberal and Jungian. For some reason, tries to push good things about Nietzsche as well. These are all modernist.

At best, he'll lead you to a sense of individualism. But don't give him the credit of leading you to Christ.


4444bf  No.752719

>>752714

> These are all modernists

So? I can quote people who aren't catholic and still present catholic theology. Same for any church.

I think it's important to discern the different talks and series he does before claiming they all have the same effect. Maps of Meaning was a great series and opened my eyes to the undeniable truth of the bible. His political presence brought a lot of hope to Canada and he actually went and spoke against the compelled speech laws that are being written. The later bible series he did I don't like and don't watch. I'm not defending it. I don't think it's fair to say he does so much damage when the rest of what he's done is great.


cdc7fb  No.752725

>>752719

>So? I can quote people who aren't catholic and still present catholic theology. Same for any church.

>

>I think it's important to discern the different talks and series he does before claiming they all have the same effect. Maps of Meaning was a great series and opened my eyes to the undeniable truth of the bible. His political presence brought a lot of hope to Canada and he actually went and spoke against the compelled speech laws that are being written. The later bible series he did I don't like and don't watch. I'm not defending it. I don't think it's fair to say he does so much damage when the rest of what he's done is great.

I'm not talking about mere quotes. They are practically PILLARS of modernist thought and make up it's very foundations. Maybe Jung the least of them (who was overshadowed by Freud and a bit more esoteric).

The only thing Peterson has done is told you are a faggot and need to take a bath (i.e. think for yourself/individualism). That's all well and good, but it isn't leading anyone to God. Liberalism is the very reason things got gay to begin with. He's only rewinding back one step. He's a bit like those sad folks who are nostalgic about the "90s" or something. To find Christ, we transcend all of it.


4444bf  No.752753

>>752725

We are not talking about the same person. You are describing a made-up personality. You aren't even considering the entire outcome or the type of person who needed to hear it. There is none good but God so why do you act like I think Peterson is a perfect man?

> to find Christ we transcend all of it

At least we agree on something.


14081c  No.752792

>>752712

>My journey to Christ started with jbp videos and I ended up a Catholic

Duh whole world doesn't revolve around you dude. If he brings 1 to christ out of 100, where's he bringing the other 99?


87e570  No.752807

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>>752712

>What utter nonsense to suggest there are ulterior motives

The motives aren't ulterior, his doctrine is explicitly anti-Christ.

>a man who actually brings the generation of people who need Christ the most into His hands by teaching them about absolute truth and the value of their existence.

Peterson does not teach "absolute truth". He rejects Jesus Christ, which is a rejection of absolute truth. In fact, Peterson is a relativist:

https://archive.fo/aOcYL

<Events as they occurred are only factual but not necessarily true. True is a judgment call and is therefore open to interpretation. The claim of ‘something's’ validity can only be made when one can see ‘the bigger picture’ — the wellbeing of humanity or ‘life’ itself. Only then can we know if something is true rather than just factual or ‘materialistically true’. - Peterson

>Where are you getting the idea that people who like him believe in a modernist doctrine and think modernism is good?

Peterson teaches an anti-Christ doctrine that is very similar to that adhered to by the Freemasons and other Luciferians, read his book Maps of Meaning or watch the embedded video in this post >>752504 which cites the exact pages from that book. Some of his followers are aware of this doctrine and believe it is good, while many have not looked past the surface of Peterson's teachings and do not understand the corrupt foundation on which he has built his house.

>Please give me a citation.

He explains his prophetic dream about how he was shown how to save the world in the introduction to his book 12 Rules for Life. In his book Maps of Meaning he wrote about his dreams about the apocalypse that haunted him for months (dreams which included imagery such as bipedal dogs serving him the cooked flesh of his cousin).

>How could someone who is "not a Christian" believe themselves to be a prophet?

The Bible calls them false prophets. A good example of this is in 1 Kings 22, where the king Ahab has four hundred false prophets, and by listening to them he is destroyed. False prophets are inhabited by false spirits, in Greek akathartos pneuma ("unclean spirit" or literally "unclean breath"), and when they speak they spread the false spirit to others (if those who hear the false prophet's words do not test the spirits and accept it).

The Bible teaches us how to test the spirits:

<Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God; for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit which does not confess Jesus is not of God. This is the spirit of antichrist, of which you heard that it was coming, and now it is in the world already.

<1 John 4:1-3

Jordan Peterson does not confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, nor does he confess His death and resurrection. In fact Peterson teaches that the gospel is a metaphor for Lucifer perfecting human beings and turning them into gods.

>My journey to Christ started with jbp videos and I ended up a Catholic who believes in the catholic doctrine, not a modernist.

I'm glad that you heard the Lord calling you name and were saved. This is not however evidence of Peterson producing good fruit, it is evidence that God can turn curses into blessings. God uses the machinations of our enemies against them.

>If he is the anti-christ like you say then he's terrible at his job.

I didn't say that he is the Antichrist, but he does have the spirit of the antichrist, as described in 1 John 4:1-3.


fa91e9  No.752816

>>752807

Now I have the morbid desire to read that book…


87e570  No.752832

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>>752816

PDF attached; it's mostly impenetrable word salad. It opens with this Bible passage (also pic related):

>I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. (Matthew 13:35)

You will find gems such as this: Peterson affirming that Christ is a metaphor for the "sun god", and calling communion an "awful ritual":

> Christ’s body (represented, in the communion ritual, by the “ever-resurrecting” wheaten wafer), is the container of the incarnated spirit of the dying, reborn and redemptive deity. This “body” is ritually devoured – that is, incorporated – to aid the ritual participants in their identification with Christ, the eternally dying and resurrecting (sun) god. Construction of this awful ritual meant furtherance of the abstract conceptualization of a permanent structural aspect of (every) human psyche – the heroic aspect, the Word – as active, individually doomed, yet mythically eternal, destined to tragic contact with threat and promise of unknown, yet constant participant in the creative adaptive redemptive process

>page 144

This is an anti-Christ doctrine.


974209  No.752844

>>752816

Curiosity can be a grave vice. You know what's wrong with what he has to say well enough, there's no reason to go reading that filth.


fa91e9  No.752866

>>752844

That’s why I admitted it’s a Nordic one…

>>752832

Yikes…just, yikes!


fa91e9  No.752867

>>752866

*morbid


974209  No.753003

>>752866

There's nothing interesting to actually be found. The actual interesting part is just that Christians would ever think of him as positive. He's a generic mason think gnostic enlightenment homo. He doesn't have any "secrets" man wasn't meant to know, he just has recycled deceit.


4444bf  No.753093

>>752807

>>752832

I will consider that I'm in a minority and re-evaluate the material I looked at, and his other stuff. I find it hard to believe that all this simply flew over my head but I won't rule it out.


87e570  No.753428

>>753093

That's very humble of you. The reason why it's hard to pierce through Peterson's deception is because he is an occult wizard. He has deceived many, but the Word of God exposes him for what he is.




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