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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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84a961  No.744670

December 19, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – It is no secret that probably a majority of Catholics in the United States who consider themselves faithful to the Church's magisterium and traditions are at the same time adherents of what is properly called neoliberalism, a position that calls for an economy with as little regulation as possible, a political stance known in the United States as conservatism. However, the main tenets of this understanding of politics and economics not only are not rooted in Catholic thought, they are in stark contradiction to it. They are products of the 18th-century Enlightenment, in fact they are a species of liberalism, as is recognized in most countries of the world, where that term is used to designate the Enlightenment view of society that arose in rebellion against the Christian civilization of the Middle Ages.

This is a viewpoint about both politics and economics, for it is the political question which underlies the economic. In fact, they concern one of the most fundamental questions about government. Does government exist only to restrain and punish evildoers? Hence does it have little or no positive role to play in society? Is it correct to say, as a contemporary adherent of this view, Fr. Robert Sirico, expressed it, "So long as individuals avoid forceful or fraudulent actions in their dealings with one another, government is to stay out of their business"? (Acton Notes, vol. 8, no. 1, January 1998, p. 1)

In contrast to this view, Catholic thought recognizes a positive role for the state, as we can see in the writings of the Roman pontiffs on social matters. Pope Pius XI, in his 1931 encyclical Quadragesimo Anno, discussing the earlier encyclical of Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum, rejects the view that governmental authority is limited only to restraining or punishing evil doers.

With regard to the civil power, Leo XIII boldly passed beyond the restrictions imposed by liberalism, and fearlessly proclaimed the doctrine that the civil power is more than the mere guardian of law and order, and that it must strive with all zeal "to make sure that the laws and institutions, the general character and administration of the commonwealth, should be such as of themselves to realize public well-being and private prosperity." (no. 25)

And more recently Pope Paul VI, in his Apostolic Letter Octogesima Adveniens of May 1971, wrote,

Political power, which is the natural and necessary link for ensuring the cohesion of the social body, must have as its aim the achievement of the common good. While respecting the legitimate liberties of individuals, families and subsidiary groups, it acts in such a way as to create, effectively and for the well-being of all, the conditions required for attaining man's true and complete good, including his spiritual end. (no. 46)

Of course, the Church has never advocated a statist or totalitarian society. It is one of the unique aspects of Catholic thinking on the social order that it rejects both the notion that the unrestrained selfish strivings of sinful humanity necessarily promote the general welfare, and on the other hand, that the primary responsibility for the ordering of economic life rests with the government itself. Instead, regulation, as much as is feasible, should be undertaken by lower and smaller groups or bodies charged with promotion of the common good. This is the famous principle of subsidiarity, a principle, however, often misunderstood to mean that for-profit entities should be the main actors in an economy.

If one reads Pius XI's two great encyclicals that deal with economic matters, Quadragesimo Anno and Divini Redemptoris, he will see that the pope is calling for a revival of something like the medieval guilds, not of course in the sense of limiting technology to the level of the Middle Ages, but in order to call into being organizations or societies whose aim is to ensure that the economy functions both efficiently and justly. These modern guilds or occupational groups would have as their aims the prosperity of their own industries, the provision to the public of a quality product at a fair price, and the just remuneration of everyone involved in the production process.

(cont)https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/why-the-popes-had-a-problem-with-free-market-capitalism

2efe4b  No.744693

File: 83ca2048be9dd05⋯.jpg (25.78 KB, 624x294, 104:49, jews and papists.jpg)

>>744670

>Why the popes had a problem with free market capitalism

Pic related is why


793067  No.744699

The church of Roma has pretty much assert itself in terms of authority, just read about the Easter controversy in the early church, and one of the ways you can establish dominance power over people is the manipulation of economics. You should read the Rerum Novarum if you really desire to understand more about the Catholic market.


774170  No.744701

>>744670

Thats because the Pope Franny is a filthy commie.

https://spectator.org/the-communist-cardinals-of-pope-francis/


53220e  No.744707

>>744693

Jews invented capitalism and capitalism is why jews have so much power over the modern world. Capitalism is gay and jewish


4eee63  No.744709

>>744707

The hyper-globalist/"free" trade we have today is not capitalism.


5979c7  No.744711

>>744707

capitalism is the default status of trade between two people before an oppressor third party interjects, like the state


5979c7  No.744712

>>744710

alex jones tier argumentation


53220e  No.744716

>>744711

>capitalism is when people trade things without the guberment

so capitalism never existed?

>>744709

>TRUE CAPITALISM™ HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED

communist tier argument mate what we have now is pretty much capitalism just not your utopian version of it


d9d458  No.744718

If not capitalism and if not socialism then what?


32808a  No.744721

>>744716

>so capitalism never existed?

As I just said, capitalism in every situation is the default and it is only with state oppressors that you cease being "capitalist"


53220e  No.744723

>>744718

begome distributionist :DDDDDDDDDD


d9d458  No.744724

>>744723

why is it different from socialism tho?


32808a  No.744726

>>744714

I'm not conflating you with alex jones, I'm saying that your line of reasoning makes unhelpful broad strokes based on a series of minority opinions to make this convenient narrative, like alex jones does


4eee63  No.744730

>>744716

Look at the USA before the '90s if you want to see capitalism.


32808a  No.744732

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>744730

>>744716

better, watch this on Hong Kong


bd7274  No.744842

>>744718

I'm an ordoliberal, so…maybe that?


30c5f5  No.744848

>>744718

Socialism is fine without the philosophical aspects that usually accompany it (atheism, materialism etc)


af93d8  No.744850

>For, indeed, although the socialists, stealing the very Gospel itself with a view to deceive more easily the unwary, have been accustomed to distort it so as to suit their own purposes, nevertheless so great is the difference between their depraved teachings and the most pure doctrine of Christ that none greater could exist

>QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS, Pope Leo XIII


96f097  No.744855

>>744848

Socialism is not fine as its predicated on theft


f1420a  No.745817

Because Jews made the free market and American is the Jew's/Masons' greatest creation.

Besides its a cancer because it doesn't care about the fellow man.

An example it's the health care in the US something that never existed in Europe.


f56472  No.745830

>>745817

European healthcare is arguably worse. Do you remeber what happened to Alfie Evans?


087c67  No.745857

>>744721

Capitalism needs property rights that are acknowledged by 99,9% of people, which requires some third party to officially state them, and with a monopoly of violence to prevent it from spiralling into settling ownership with AK-47's.

Buying a bike or doing a random job off Craiglist(which may or not be stolen, or illegal) is at best proto-capitalism.


c7a459  No.745859

>>744712

Reddit tier rebuttal.


f1420a  No.745877

>>745830

winnie the pooh brits. They will pay.

although that has nothing to do with health care. Euthanasia wasn't approved in my country thankfully winnie the pooh Northern Europe. They'll pay


2edcc6  No.745894

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-labor-mobility-problem.html

>To realize the full benefits of free trade, there can be no limits upon workers moving to where they can be most efficiently employed. It doesn't matter if you don't speak Ukrainian, if your family doesn't want to relocate to Morocco, or if your ancestors have lived in Eindhoven for hundreds of years. If it is more efficient for the airline to fly from Belarus or Rabat, then you must go and live there or lose your job to a more cost-effective Moroccan pilot.

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/12/darkstream-free-trade-is-evil.html

>I'm not merely making the case that free trade is bad for the economy, or that it is bad for America, I'm making the case that it is quite literally evil and integral to Satan's master plan for the destruction of Man.


40d5d2  No.745895

>>744670

It basically goes like this.

Capitalism - rich few own means of production.

Communism - state owns means of production.

Distributism (Church approved system) - every human owns his own means of production.


32df1d  No.745928

>>745877

>although that has nothing to do with health care.

It has literally EVERYTHING to do with a state run healthcare system. FFS that hospital is known for doing garbage like this all so they can harvest organs

You have to remember, it was the state that signed Alfie's death sentence.


c11714  No.745999

>>744709

No, that's where you're wrong. Capitalism is formulated in such a way with a "free market" that eventually wealth clusters in the hands of a few who they buy your governments so that they will scrap tariffs and then offshore your job. Capitalism is as vicious a failed experiment as Marxist-Lenism imho, but people are too propagandized to realize it.


b734db  No.746000

>>745999

You're confusing capitalism with globalism friend


af93d8  No.746002

>>746000

>>745999

Free market capitalism leads to a constant churn, but there are no free markets in the world. Government intervention leads to all the problems (such as licences, intellectual property laws, regulations), especially what's known as "crony capitalism".


835cfd  No.746008

Stop being lolbertarians. It's a system without morals, completely incompatible with Christianity


f1420a  No.746030

>>745928

Because some Jewish politicians approved the killing of sick people.

Those sick winnie the poohs.


c11714  No.746125

>>746000

There is no difference between capitalism and globalism brother Christian, globalism is just the capitalist endgame, to destroy free markets and rule us in an authoritarian manner through our wallets. Please un-brainwash yourself.

>>746002

All capitalism eventually becomes crony capitalism. The world is not an abode of righteousness, so eventually the dictum that money is power bears it's crooked fruit and that's all there is to it.


c11714  No.746128


69a43f  No.746152

>>746008

>libertarianism is a system without morals, completely incompatible with Christianity

justify this


69a43f  No.746155

>>745857

You're conflating property rights with enforcement. Example: babies have a right to life despite governments actively sponsoring their murder. The bible affirms individual ownership of property without mention of the state's involvement.


2edcc6  No.746167

>>745894

Why has nobody read this? It literally shows that free trade is globalism.


69a43f  No.746182

>>746167

All you've shared is two an assertion and two links to hour long videos

here's a rebuttal to the first quote: free trade doesn't mandate that every worker must achieve maximum efficiency, only that there isn't a central planner organizing the economy in favor of laissez-fare


2edcc6  No.746192

>>746182

>a rebuttal

Nah. Not gonna accept that.


89d204  No.746217

>>746192

I'd be happy to read the argument presented in the two lectures if you want to summarize it


8fa7d5  No.746225

>>744670

>It is no secret that probably a majority of Catholics in the United States who consider themselves faithful to the Church's magisterium and traditions are at the same time adherents of what is properly called neoliberalism, a position that calls for an economy with as little regulation as possible, a political stance known in the United States as conservatism.

Most Catholics are nominal at best and do not seriously think about politics. To call conservatism within the U.S. simply neoliberalism is vague and disingenuous.


087bae  No.746445

>>744724

Because it’s not Materialist, right?




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