/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>How will my priest ever be able to look at me again?

Normally since he isn't supposed to see how you look like during the confession. DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LIVE, APPARENTLY, but you'll be able to figure it out when you go to confession. If they don't make it private in there, you should receive the sacrament anyways, though.

Then repent to God directly or a priest from a church (building) that you don't plan to attend.

>>744555

Go to a church that uses the screen of anonymity like it's supposed to.

I'm not Catholic guys, should have clarified that. I'm catechizing at an Orthodox Church. There is no screen of anonymity.

>>744564

Get lost baptist heretic.

>>744555

Jesus Christ man.

Go to a church were the confesional booths have some kind of anonymity window and let it be a parish that you don't plan to attend.

Don't worry the priest won't kill you nor he call tell anything to the cops. If he is a city priest with more than 50 years of experience I'm sure someone beat you already.

The priest can't tell shit to nobody or even hint it. Even if it was the confession of a child.

Be strong brother. Christ gives you a second chance if you ask him. Go grab it.

Like St. John Chrysostom said: "be ashamed when you sin, not when you ask for forgiveness".

>>744566

Go to a monastery, brother.

>>744566

Then become Catholic then or confess to the orthodox priest since its still valid, but you need extra balls for that.

>>744564

I mean, as near as I can tell, if a person can even conceive of the possibility of repentance and contrition before God, if a person can even consider the possibility of seeking God and living a Godly life, they are by definition not a reprobate. A reprobate will never repent, will never desire to repent, does not want God and will never want God.

>>744570

Btw don't convert to Catholicism just because you are afraid of confronting a priest.

>>744566

Go out of town and confess there. The important part of confession is that you confess your sins fully and completely, and if you're uncomfortable doing that in front of your own priest then it's better to go to another.

>>744574

If that's an acceptable thing to do in Orthodoxy I'll definitely do it.

>>744571

>27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

>28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; (Rom. 1:27-28 KJV)

Why did God give them over to a reprobate mind?

to do those things which are not convenient

What are those things which are not convenient?

homosexual intercourse (men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet)

Next question is for you:

Can you do those things which are not convenient if you are not a reprobate?

>>744577

> And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge

that seems like a pretty crucial point tho. I do want to retain God.

>>744580

then why did you commit homosexuality?

>>744581

Didn't you ever sin?

Everyone sins some more than others. What's important is that they repent.

I don't get the Baptists. What is they're church? A club of the elect? A club of the superior human beings? The Church is an hospital for the souls. Sometimes terminal cases show up and still we need to save the souls of those patients.

>>744581

I had been raised on a false conception of God, and rebelled against it. It took me a long time to find the true God, the Christian one. I don't offer that as an excuse though. I was almost diabolically prideful (still am to a large extent). Even if I am a "reprobate", I still ought to do what's right now that I know better, even if I'm still damned. Surely you wouldn't disagree with that?

>>744582

I have sinned, but I'm not a reprobate.

Yes the church is a club of the elect, sharing the gospel to make more of the elect. You are superior as a result of your being saved. You cannot become a member of a Biblical church without indication of faith by baptism.

>>744583

As far as I can tell, one of the following possibilities needs to be true for you to become saved

-repbrobate isn't a permanent status

-you're not a reprobate because your act didn't qualify as one of "those things which are not convenient"

-you're not a reprobate because this passage isn't prescriptive of all homosexuals

obviously, a man raped in prison by nigggers is an unwilling participant and is not a reprobate

additionally there is a clear progression of romantic contact (hug, kiss, etc)

personally I can't say that romantic kissing between men sounds like Romans 1:27

>>744586

Yeah, but my question is: even if I am a reprobate, shouldn't I do the right thing anyway, repent, accept Christ, and live a Christian life, even if I will be damned?

>>744586

Who needs a doctor? The healthy one or the sick?

And besides there are no sins that deny your salvation if you repent. It's completely anti biblical and anti Christian the baptist view of the "reprobate"

>You are superior as a result of your being saved

But thanks for proving my point that those cults are just expressions of people's pride. The Jehovah witness also believe that they are saved.

>>744588

"You are superior" compared to your former self

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: Neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers: Nor the effeminate nor liers with mankind nor thieves nor covetous nor drunkards nor railers nor extortioners shall possess the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:11

And such some of you were. But you are washed: but you are sanctified: but you are justified: in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of our God.

Even Saint Paul says that the liers with making also know as faggots, will not go to heaven. But he says that some of them used to be faggots but can still be saved by Christ.

>>744590

Then why can't faggots who repent be saved?

>>744587

if we're operating on the same definition of a reprobate, it would be impossible for you to accept Christ. I'm tempted to say based on your testimony this evening that you are not a reprobate. Did your actions match romans 1:27?

>>744588

it isn't a baptist distinctive

>>744592

>it isn't a baptist distinctive

Lutherans and Anglican derivates don't believe in that.

Calvinists maybe?

>>744581

Cool pharisaism, bro.

BAPTISTS BTFO

>>744591

>Then why can't faggots who repent be saved?

Of course they can.

It's like this isn't even a Christian forum. Feels more like Autistic Pharisees Club.

>>744596

Yeah, let's the stoke the fires of rivalry between the different branches of Christendom. Let's act like violent sports fans about the whole thing.

>>744597

That's what I was arguing.

Some protestants apparently believe than once a faggot who can never go to heaven, repentance will not save you which is completely against the bible

>>744599

>you can never

Fixed.

>>744599

I think we're talking low-church Evangelicals from the American South here, like that pastor Anderson guy.

They're imbeciles. They derive their indentity and morality from action movies and Fox News.

>>744602

great strawman building my guy

>>744602

But isn't pastor Anderson a baptist?

>>744603

What's your definition of reprobate then?

A true reprobate is someone who is a faggot, fornicator, [insert random mortal sin], that dies without repenting. Those are the reprobate since their faith is sealed and they go on a eternal vacation to hell.

>>744603

you can not simultaneously have salvation and be a reprobate

> Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? (2 Cor. 13:5 KJV)

>>744604

Haha yeah man for sure. It has totally been the position among all branches of Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Protestantism in the last centuries and millenia that "Once a faggot, forever hellbound."

Honestly I can't conceive of this kind of idiocy originating anywhere else but in America.

>>744610

I'd be happy to read church fathers on your side of the reprobate doctrine

>>744607

There is no sin that turns you into a reprobate. The reprobates are the ones who denied God and/or didn't repent before death.

What I mean is that God is always open for forgiveness otherwise Paul wouldn't forgive those corinthians he mentions in 1 cor 6 9-11.

If you or I die in our sin then we are reprobates like the devil and those who follow his footsteps.

>>744609

>passing the test.

Yes Jesus will judge everyone that's the test.

Everyone who is in hell is a reprobate in God's eyes per definition.

>>744611

He who sins is a reprobate. Committing homosexual acts is a sin - but there are many other sins, and they all condemn one to hell.

Focusing on homosexuality as if it were the "reprobate" sin par excellence is a strange mixture of pharisaism and tacky machismo.

>>744612

>There is no sin that turns you into a reprobate.

Right it goes the other way

In order to do certain sins, you must be given over to a reprobate mind

>>744555

>worn women's clothing

I had to wear some 12yo girl's panties in the morning after I got so drunk that I went to the toilet without dropping my pants so the shit fell out on the hallways and I also pissed through my pants.

We've all been there Anon.

>>744566

You could go on a pilgrimage and confess your sins to some hieromonk.

>>744616

Who knew that sometimes people do stupid shit and then regret their actions?

Hell even Adam and Eve regret the shit they did and God to forgive us from that sin came in flesh to save us. And their sin was worse then faggotry, it completely changed the human nature.

And God didn't created them with a reprobate mind. God only created good things. What men does wrong is entirely up to him, since he is free to do wtv he wants.

>>744616

The inordinate focus on the word "reprobate" and on Paul's association of it with homosexuality does come across to me as an "orthodox" justification for not extending to homosexuals the Christian love we are enjoined to extend to all.

Reminds me of Calvinists saying we should not love Arminians because there's this Psalm where God says he hates sinners. Which according to them makes it okay for us to hate sinners.

Redneck exegesis, basically.

>>744617

A-anon why were you drunk in a 12 yo girl's house?

Your name isn't Muhammad right?

>>744619

Basically, you're not addressing the argument or the relevant scripture.

Romans 1 is the topic of our exegesis. If you accuse me of committing eisegesis the onus is on you to provide the correct reading

>>744623

All I'm saying is that if one repents for his homosexual acts, God will forgive him. Do you deny this?

>>744592

> Did your actions match romans 1:27?

I don't know what you mean by that. I said in OP I commited a homosexual act.

>>744618

Are you challenging the statement "In order to do certain sins, you must be given over to a reprobate mind"?

>>744627

I think his point is that putting Homosexuality as literally worse than the Fall of Man is a bit of an Overkill.

>>744555

> How am I supposed to confess this? How will my priest ever be able to look at me again?

Regarding this, I'm pretty sure most priests have heard a lot of messed up confessions. If you confess this stuff to a priest, he will probably not be shocked. And it is their job to hear confessions. The church is a hospital for sinners.

I was raised Evangelical. There was this one retreat when I was a teen where at one point we were supposed to pray and, if willing, confess our sins to one another. I was embarrassed about my sins (stuff like jacking off to hentai). I was talking about this with a pastor. He told me he had done way worse stuff than that. He was raised in a farm. He had sexually penetrated some animals as a teen.

My sins were light in comparison. This brother in Christ had the generosity of telling me about the gross sins of his youth to make me feel better. We're all wretched sinners and God is eager to forgive us all.

>>744631

I'm in agreement, I'm only trying to square what I read in Romans 1

>>744577

The idea that God allowing a person to fall into sin is somehow him giving up on them is absurd. By that logic, the jews who were made blind and drifted into heresy would be unsaveable either. I genuinely have no idea how people were able to extrapolate reprobation doctrine from Romans 1, and I'm particularly confused as to why it seems confined to the subjects of Romans 1.

>>744555

God can always forgive you; He and the priest have probably heard worse in their time. You’ll be alright :)

>>744555

You can confess at a different church you never attend to. Either way, I think the real issue will be having the priest overlook some of your sins and not call the police over it.

>>745865

If orthodoxs have the same rules as catholics not even under torture the priest can reveal the confession of a 5yo kid.

Just do it. You likely confess in church before the Lord and the priest sits to your side. I've done it. Make a list. Remember, the awful thing is what you did, not the confessing of it. Come out clean.

>>745886

Yeah, i know that. It's just a possibility, I have heard stories about some priests gossiping about certain confessions they have received, which seeing as how priests aren't exactly immune to sins, I would say it remains a possibility.

>>745865

>>745918

There's also the possibility that I might report this thread to the FBI. I mean, I'm not bound by confession …

If you can post it here without fear, then you can confess it without fear.

>>745921

Yeah, there's really no excuse to it, better to confess openly about your sins than suffering eternal damnation because of it.

>>744566

>>744696

If y'all are getting baptized, you shouldn't need to confess those sins because the mystery of baptism washes away all guilt of sin. Any sins you commit post-baptism will need to be repented for and confessed.

NK you winnie the pooh boong

>>745918

In the Catholic Church at least one can count with his finders the number of times that happened since the very beginning.

Confess to Christ, not to a priest.

>>744620

Oh yeah, forgot the context.

It was at a camp of my (former) youth group.

I was in a safe environment surrounded by pretty responsible people and I was never big on alcohol so this was ideal to see how it feels to be drunk.

First and last time I ever got drunk, but a nice experience in a sense that I can now safely say it's for degenerates.

This was also before I converted by the way.

>face to face confession

YIKES!

>>746102

I know the normal way to do it is private but the fact is real Catholics have become a small minority even within the clergy.

Most confession booths are gone, the ones that are still there aren't even in use anymore let alone regular confession hours where you could just slip in in private.

>>744619

>Calvinists saying we should not love Arminians

Wut. You just made that up

>t. calvinist

Orthotards suddenly realise the benefits of anonymous, frequent confession: the thread

>>750264

No, i'm not. Which would get you to second guess committing a sin more:

Huddling away with a priest to confess your sins, or confessing to Jesus and the congregation?

I can assure you, all the Christanons on the board struggling with fapping would stop immediately if they knew they had to confess their sins to the grandmas and the qt3.14s in the congregation as well as Jesus.

>>744603

>For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against

<all ungodliness

>all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. <Wherefore

>wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

<for this cause

>For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

<which are not convenient;

>Being filled with

<ALL unrighteousness

>all unrighteousness,

<fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

<Therefore

>therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

<thou that judges doest (the above listed)

Romans 1:18-2:1

Apparently you think homosexuality is not convenient, but the other sins are.

>homosexuality worthy of death

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 KJV

>worthy of death

And if a man have committed a sin

<worthy of death,

and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Deuteronomy 21:22‭-‬23 KJV

<a homo hung from a tree is accursed of God

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians 3:13 KJV

>>750267

Yet God instituted it to be private.

>>750276

Yet, early church fathers instituted public confession in accordance with Acts 19.

>>750287

Citation needed on first argument and people can agree to voluntarily make their confession public.

>>750293

Even more of a reason to bring back public confession.

>>750295

Are you STILL so focused on "the shame people will have", that you can't see the secondary problems that will arise, and those that might arise, if you banned private confession?

>>750344

>Did I say "ban private confession"?

> all the Christanons on the board struggling with fapping would stop immediately if they knew they had to confess their sins to the grandmas and the qt3.14s in the congregation as well as Jesus.

>If they HAD to

Besides your argument falls apart then because if private confession is still allowed, then Christanons would just move to private confession and nothing you said would happen.

In which case,

>Starts losing argument

>Insults the opponent with stuff like "learn to read"

>>746084

>letting kids get wasted at youth camp

I'm appalled. More so than I was at OPs post.

>>744565

>Go to a church that uses the screen of anonymity like it's supposed to.

What church is that?

My priest had me confess face to face, with the rest of the congregation maybe 10 feet behind me.

Ortho priests don't give a hoot.

>>744593

That pic should be our banner, tbqh

>>758656

What the hell? Reported.

>>744555

confess with confidence. you will be forgiven. you speak of your struggles with pride, and how you are scared to confess to your own priest, but I cannot think of any better means of destroying your pride than confessing. if your priest judges you rather than helps you to heal, then he will face judgement for that. dont be afraid.

>>744555

Just tell him you're a liberal, he'll figure out all the shit you've done without needing to say it.

Uh… Are you baptized?

>>769988 (checked)

Kek

>>770120

>It seems you like the Orthodoxy

I seem to have misrepresented myself - I just like Orthodox iconography because of a similarity to my own visions.

I'm trying to become Catholic.

>I got some good news for you. If you go to your nearest parish and tell the preist that you want to begome. He will make you a catechumen. Stick with it, absorb the church life and before you know it he will give you an actual confession before you get baptised, thus washing away all your abhorrent sins.

I've discussed certain issues already with priests, so I've already confessed to everything significant except the CP. They even said they'll baptise me.

I talked with them over email, but I used my real name and told them where I live.

>I hope you are sincere in your conversion and I will pray for you

Thank you. I'm getting an odd sense of deja vu.

>>770205

>Im confused, did you confess over email or in person?

Email.

>I know it'll be tough mustering up the courage to confess that, but you gotta power through it. It's the only way to be washed of all your sins. I believe in you, friend. You can do it.

I can do it. My only concern is people thinking I did more than I jusf said - I didn't. I feel so, horrifically bad over the CP. Everything else I'm mostly over - I confessed my worst sins (Female hormones and crossdressing) so I have the courage. I'm just worried if they'll think I still look at CP.

>>770206

>The fact that you knowingly withheld confessing a mortal sin and did so without being baptized means that the sacrament was invalid on two fronts

It wasn't so much a confession, as it was a general overview of my worst sins. I would want to tell them about the CP in person.

>You're still in a state of mortal sin. Get baptized. NOW.

I was told I would have to wait until fall to begin RCIA. If I got baptised by non-Catholics, would that be cool?

I figured I'd go to Mass as soon as possible (Work and transportation gets in the way,) and start RCIA and everything would be good.

>If you deem it necessary to remain anonymous, AFTER you're baptized, you may go to a totally different parish, hopefully one with an enclosed and partitioned confessional, and make a confession there

I get the feeling that admitting the CP to a priest and then sticking with him proves that I'm really repentent and not a filthy pedo trying to hide.

>>770351

>If I got baptised by non-Catholics, would that be cool?

Not if you want to be Catholic, no.

>I figured I'd go to Mass as soon as possible (Work and transportation gets in the way,) and start RCIA and everything would be good.

This seems like the best course of action, but check with multiple priests to be certain.

Also, pray every single day begging God that you may not die before being baptized and confessing.

>I get the feeling that admitting the CP to a priest and then sticking with him proves that I'm really repentent and not a filthy pedo trying to hide.

If that's your personal conviction, that's fine, but it's not required to be absolved. Priests are under very strict rule of confidentiality, so the repentence needs to be true in your heart first and foremost.

>>770376

>Not if you want to be Catholic, no

Thought so. It felt like I should do it all through the Catholic church for a sense of completeness.

>This seems like the best course of action, but check with multiple priests to be certain

I asked two priests from two churches, and they both told me the same thing; start going to Mass, ask in person about RCIA so in the fall they'll know me and know I'm interested and sincere.

>Also, pray every single day begging God that you may not die before being baptized and confessing

It's what I've been doing. While I waited for them to reply, I told God that I desperately wanted baptism so I could be saved.

To be honest, I kind of feel like RCIA is a jerk-a-round, but if that's what God commanded his church to do, I'll go through it. I just desperately want baptism.

>If that's your personal conviction, that's fine, but it's not required to be absolved. Priests are under very strict rule of confidentiality, so the repentence needs to be true in your heart first and foremost.

I fear that if I just show up and confess and never come back, the priest will think I still look at CP.

if I keep coming back, it's obvious that I'm not trying to hide - the priest I confess to will know that I keep showing up, so obviously I'm not afraid of anything.