[ / / / / / / / / / / / / / ] [ dir / ausneets / christ / hydrus / misr / sw / tenda / vg / vichan ]

/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Email
Comment *
File
Password (Randomized for file and post deletion; you may also set your own.)
* = required field[▶ Show post options & limits]
Confused? See the FAQ.
Embed
(replaces files and can be used instead)
Options

Allowed file types:jpg, jpeg, gif, png, webm, mp4, pdf
Max filesize is 16 MB.
Max image dimensions are 15000 x 15000.
You may upload 5 per post.


The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

File: 4d743a93941eab8⋯.jpg (49.92 KB, 500x333, 500:333, Fr George Rutler.jpg)

3d8a95  No.744524

Priest: ‘The Vatican has become a theological Chernobyl’

NEW YORK, New York, December 20, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – The Vatican has become the equivalent of nuclear catastrophe in terms of its theology, a noted priest scholar said.

Father George Rutler, citing a number of Pope Francis’s statements and acts, including the pope’s recent pronouncements on the death penalty, said the Church’s highest office is diminished when its obligations to the perennial teachings of the fathers are neglected, and the faithful are also “at risk when they are offered confusion and superficiality in place of systematic thought.”

“In short,” Father Rutler said, “the Vatican has become a theological Chernobyl. We are in dangerous territory.”

Since capital punishment relates to natural law, he wrote, rejecting it as fundamentally wrong could affect any part of natural law.

Rutler, a priest of the Archdiocese of New York as well as an author, columnist, and broadcaster, wrote about Francis’s comments made on Monday to a Delegation of the International Commission Against the Death Penalty in a column for Catholic World Report.

When one reads the pope’s spontaneous remarks on varied topics today, “The quality of reasoning and information of facts is so fugitive, that frustration yields to sheer embarrassment,” he wrote.

Rutler cited for example in lead-up to his discussion of the pope’s death penalty remarks Francis’s comments to youth in Turin in June 2015. The pontiff had gone all over the map in listing concerns to the young people, he said, in an address that Reuters termed “a long, rambling talk about war, trust and politics.”

“While constrained by respect for the Petrine office,” Father Rutler said, “and aware of the strains that imposes, it is distressing to look for a train of thought and find only a train wreck.”

“That has to be the impression after reading the Pope’s remarks to a Delegation of the International Commission Against the Death Penalty,” he added.

Popes “in past centuries” ignored “the primacy of mercy over justice” in using the death penalty, Pope Francis stated Monday, also calling capital punishment an “inhuman form of punishment” that is now “always inadmissible.”

The pope had put aside his prepared speech during the private audience with the group, speaking to the anti-death penalty delegation in unscripted remarks. After the meeting, the Vatican provided the prepared address to reporters, also noting it had also been given to participants.

‘The progress of the doctrine of the most recent Pontiffs’ and ‘the change in the conscience of the Christian people’

The pontiff’s prepared remarks ran through his varied appeals over the years in favor of abolishing the death penalty.

The remarks referenced Francis’s recent change to Catechism of the Catholic Church, which he said, “Now expresses the progress of the doctrine of the most recent Pontiffs as well as the change in the conscience of the Christian people, which rejects a penalty that seriously harms human dignity.”

In August of this year, Francis changed the 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church promulgated by Pope St. John Paul II, replacing n. 2267 of the Catechism with new text to say that the death penalty is “inadmissible” and that the Church “works with determination for its abolition worldwide.”

(cont)https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/priest-the-vatican-has-become-a-theological-chernobyl

e77f65  No.744550

He is partially right, but the pope didn't say that the death penalty is an evil act or a sin.

He just says today we shouldn't do it, which I disagree in some situations.

But yeah, the level of confusion of the laity is comparable to the Arian crisis or the reformation.

Just like Paul VI said:

“… We would say that, through some mysterious crack—no, it’s not mysterious; through some crack, the smoke of Satan has entered the Church of God. There is doubt, uncertainty, problems, unrest, dissatisfaction, confrontation.

“The Church is no longer trusted. We trust the first pagan prophet we see who speaks to us in some newspaper, and we run behind him and ask him if he has the formula for true life. I repeat, doubt has entered our conscience. And it entered through the windows that should have been open to the light: science.”

“… It was thought that, after the Council, sunny days would come for the history of the Church. Nevertheless, what came were days of clouds, of storms, of darkness, of searching, of uncertainty … We tried to dig abysses instead of covering them …”


e77f65  No.744551

"that there has been an intervention of an adverse power.  Its name is the devil"


b3360f  No.744694

>>744550

the smoke of satan is the theory of evolution (doubting the bible), industrial revolution (producing excess wealth) , , liberalism (people wanting freedom from moral constraints) beginning with the reformation (doubting the Church).

It was always going to be a struggle against that array.


f2ecda  No.744757

>>744550

Women who have had abortions should be given the death penalty.


71e0cf  No.744759

>>744694

>theory of evolution (doubting the bible)

>beginning with the reformation (doubting the Church).

Bad news for you anon.


e77f65  No.744822

>>744757

This tbh


ab237c  No.744823

>>744759

what's the bad news?


f22881  No.744858

>>744823

Well IT'S not the Good News, I'm afraid.


913990  No.744872

>>744823

The Church does not strictly oppose evolution, only its usage by people to doubt God. I am afraid Church documents such as the Catechism will state as such.


ad4c65  No.744885

>>744872

Yep. The church is fine with evolution as long as it doesn't make people disregard dogmas like the historical existence of Adam and Eve and the Fall.

Pius XII talks about it in Humanis Genaris.


ad4c65  No.744889

>>744885

Well any good Catholic must reject theories that speculate about human origin like hard-core evolutionism.

Neo Darwinism is in fact against the Catholic doctrine and it must be rejected no matter how many "proofs" corroborate the theory.


f960f3  No.744895

>>744889

The “proofs” are mostly fabricated anyway, or gravely misinterpreted.


ad4c65  No.744920

>>744895

I wouldn't say outright fabricated, but yeah they are gravely misinterpreted.

Those interpretations have a (((purpose))) though.

Anyway that's why I wrote proofs between quotation marks


664d65  No.745955

>>744694

>doubting lies and corruption was the start of social implosion

You what?

>>744524

<honestly cant wait to watch the 'one true "church" that dah debil will neber prebail against' rip itself into peices onces and for all


1b3bf4  No.745991

CHERNOBYL VETERANS JOIN DUTY


7aef7e  No.745993

>>744694

Broadly right, ironic though that the theory of evolution discredits human reason generally and not religion in particular. According to it we have no foothold in the universe, thus hedonism is all that becomes sensible, even though religion may have evolutionary benefits.

Frankly the Vatican has had a bad Pope, big deal. If you want to see some heavy radioactive contamination, try Anglicanism. It's so degenerate it literally would take 1000's of St Nicholas' to beat the bullshit out of it.


e77f65  No.746034

>>745993

>would take 1000's of St Nicholas' to beat the bullshit out of it.

Kek. Well its Christmas so it might happen.




[Return][Go to top][Catalog][Nerve Center][Cancer][Post a Reply]
Delete Post [ ]
[]
[ / / / / / / / / / / / / / ] [ dir / ausneets / christ / hydrus / misr / sw / tenda / vg / vichan ]