/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>744430

Ask God to help you and forgive you and stop judging yourself, you're not in a position to judge, not even yourself. If you have a setback, don't have an opinion about it, just pray to God for help again. Over time you'll let it go without even really trying.

God bless.

>>744430

I've never had an addiction so I don't know how it feels, but if it's something that feels absolutely uncontrollable, try praying to Jesus Christ every time you feel the urge to smoke,

Galatians 5:1 "It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery."

Jesus didn't just free us from sin, he freed us from any form of slavery, including addiction. You have been redeemed with the Blood of Jesus Christ and as you keep thinking that in your prayers I'm sure Jesus will help you. You belong to Jesus, not to tobacco. I'll try to remember you in my prayers

>>744431

>>744436

Thank you

>You belong to Jesus, not to tobacco

Thanks anon, that's really nice.

Hi OP, I’ve tried to quit many times. I too always fail, but I have learned some things. The first is you just have to quit. I know that sounds obvious but the only word that needs to be said to tobacco is “no”. Cold turkey is imo the best way to quit, but some people find it easier to slowly stop themselves over time. If you decide to go cold turkey, don’t kiss your last one goodbye, you don’t want to leave any room to miss it. You have to learn to hate smoking. I’ve come to drink a lot more coffee when I go without, it’s better than replacing the addiction with chocolate bars and ice cream. I advise you not to replace it with any vapor products either. The whole idea is just to flip the switch and call it. Yes it is almost impossibly hard but that’s what we get. The first week is the hardest and it gets easier and easier. Just know you are addicted for life. Flip the switch and just quit. If you keep doing this you’ll learn how to cope with the withdrawals and find those little kinks that work. But a bag of dumdums and some toothepicks, I’ll pray for you. Let’s try to kick it before the new year.

>>744440

I would like to add that you cannot beat yourself up when you fail. This is very important. All that matters is you continue to try quitting. Failing is an organic part of the addiction and recovery and it’s best to accept that instead of getting suckered in self defeat and then despair. God loves a valiant heart so don’t give up.

No smoking get for OP

>>744444

Based. Now OP has to stop

>>744440

Yep, I've trashed all the tobacco I've had, gonna go cold turkey from today.

>>744444

Nice :)

I don't get smoking. It's like punching yourself in the face and sniffing glue because it feels nice at the moment.

down in the dust, >>744430 lie's prostrate

revive him as >>744444 's word has guaranteed

witnessed

no excuses now, op

>>744537

From the Catechism:

>2290 The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. Those incur grave guilt who, by drunkenness or a love of speed, endanger their own and others' safety on the road, at sea, or in the air.

>2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law.

>>744733

I’m not preaching that one should feel guilt over failing to recover from any kind of depravity, whether it be nicotine or /d/ garbage. Guilt is what drove Judas to an hero and not seek repentance. Satan can drive you to sin and then use the guilt of the same sin to keep you from forgiveness. However, man must not confuse guilt with repentance. A man must hate the things that make him sin, and it is better to live in pain than in sinful comfort. Excessive use of tobacco is no different. You have a certain level of control over emotions that come with failure, you can choose to learn from your mistakes or ruminate in your misery. Also the platform on which these conversations happen is completely irrelevant; in a way, you get more honest conversation here.

>>744764

>I just think it could be much worse

It could. And by engaging in vices you can reach that low.

Now dunno about the state of OP or however, but stories of stealing form someone to get money for a addiction aren't rare.

>>744764

Oh for sure, if quitting slowly over time is what works then by all means. The intention of the heart is what matters most in the morality concerning the spirit and the will here. Though the will may not be strong enough to cease smoking instantly on its own, the desire and intent to quit and stride toward it speaks its own about the condition of your heart. Better to move an inch closer to Christ over a year than run in circles over a week, no? Those catechism references I posted only state that excessive use of tobacco is indeed sinful and you have to quit. How you go about doing it is up to you. Just don’t forget to rely on God’s Grace, you can’t do it on your own no matter what route you decide to take. As for the /d/ stuff you brought up, remember that God supersoaker’d the world once before due to mass depravity. The depravity you see here isn’t much different than the wickedness of Babylon. Different century, same spirit. Try to be more humble and not say “well he faps to centaur vore and I just smoke therefore I can justify my smoking” or anything of the sort; sinning is sinning and it’s pride that motivates one to think the illusion that one is better than another because they have sinned in a different way.

>>744430

Look for someone in your church to help you quit smoking. Most likely a few around that can support and uplift you.

In the same boat too, I'v smoked for some 12 years, started with regular cigarettes, passed on to hand rolled tobacco where I could get the best bang for my buck.

I was able to somewhat stop smoking and vape instead, for about an whole year, but only did it because of exercises and how smoking winnie the poohs it up badly.

So I started smoking again this year about the same time when I stopped working out, and the habit came strong again. Feels bad, I was lying to my now ex-gf too.

But to make it all worse, went through the very painful breakup, I also realized my porn addiction and now trying to get over it, all the while struggling to fill my time with good things and find a job for my career.

>>744760

This.

Just get your "dope" high from elsewhere not-drugging-yourself related. Play sports for a while, exercise, volunteer. It gets much easier after a while.

>>744430

You first need to ask God to help you

I got addicted to benzos for a bit when i was 16 and I just cold turkeyed it. It might not work for everyone but for me cold turkeying seemed to work pretty well. I have awful self control but somehow i managed to keep myself away from benzos till the withdrawal went away.

If you live with someone you can ask them to hold you accountable. You can have them throw away any cigarettes they find or something

Also keeping yourself distracted can really help.

>>744436

>I've never had an addiction so I don't know how it feels,

Maybe you're addicted to feeding your pride.

>>744430

forgot to add but if its only hookah that you are smoking getting rid of the bong would probably help

>>745000

He probably means that he's never been addicted to a substance

>>745002

Substance addictions are no different mentally than any other addiction.

Smoking isn't a sin

>>744430

Try vaping to quit smoking. It’s safer and cooler than cigarettes.

>>745298

Gluttony and self harm are both sins. Smoking a cigarette once in a while is no worse than eating a chocolate bar; The addiction to smoking is not the same as this. By all means, demonstrate your mental superiority and encourage people to continue killing themselves.

It destroys your body, and not just your lungs but essentially all your organs, and negatively affects your vascular systems and has a number of negative psychological effects. The money you spend on a pack of cigarettes profits the people who illegally add additional chemicals into the papers, filters and tobacco to keep people hooked. The tobacco industry is responsible for millions of deaths.

After seeing a number of addiction threads here, whether it be for smoking or porn or what have you, I’ve noticed there is a serious lack of people who have even a high school level education in psychology, let alone the amount of you idiots who would actually have the nerve to protest a notion that is nothing but beneficial for a person, and completely ignoring the entirety of the spiritual and theological implications of addiction. Shut your mouth before you encourage people to continue committing the slowest form of suicide. As if quitting isn’t hard enough without your ignorance. Did you even see the catechism quotes in the thread or are you just another Protestant who can make up his own rules? Keep smoking goys, it’s not a sin according to pastor jim here.

>>745300

I did it and it went for a while, the first time I jumped head in to vape and managed to go nearly a year or more without smoking regularly.

You really do manage to wear it off and even go a full day with feeling like vaping, but I think there's something bad with keeping the habit and nicotine use.

Since in all that time I still felt like having real tobacco every once in a while, and behold, back to smoking full time again in the last few months.

Besides that I wonder what else /christian/ thinks about vape.

>>745320

>>745308

>Smoking a cigarette once in a while is no worse than eating a chocolate bar; The addiction to smoking is not the same as this.

>I think having the occasional smoke is just fine.

I think you both agreed with this point here, the problem I see however, is for someone who has been full blown addict, smoking more than one regularly for several years of his life, having just one cig is a big temptation into falling back to the habit, and such is the way with any addiction.

>>744430

>help, I smoke, how do I get rid of this problem

Stop smoking.

>no, my brain says it's cool and it wins

You're winnie the poohed then, enjoy your lung cancer.

>can't God help me?

No.

>why not?

Because it doesn't concern a deity.

>but he loves me

He loves your soul, not your physical body. He keeps the soul with him, not your physical body.

It's up to you to treat your body right.

>>745380

Inhaler? Is that like super vape?

>>745397

Nah not the nicotine inhaler, he ended up diagnosed with asthma after using vape, it's the asthma inhaler.

>>745380

>I do use the gym 5 times a week.

Check my post above, this was literally the reason I stopped smoking and went to vape, because I was always getting out of breath and wasn't improving in that regard.

Soon after I stopped my efficiency went to another level. And fair enough, when I stopped going to gym regularly I got back to smoking as well (progressively though).

>hookah

Even thought it tastes better and feels lighter, it is actually much worse for your lungs, the water vapor only makes it smoother, but still carries all that solid coal ash to your insides.

>My friend has some health issues after using vape for a while, he now uses inhaler.

I hardly think vape can cause asthma of any kind, the medium used is the same, glycerin.

Most likely he had the possibility already but only came to be aware after using vape, eg, it would me much worser for him if he actually smoked.

>>744430

1. Get rid of the hookah.

2. Do stuff that crowds out smoking.

3. Pray.

Maybe try Chantix, there are side effects.