975b61 No.743369
like Salazar's state for example? (english subs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Mzcf0Ef6Y
1c41ad No.743370
The best christian regime was under Saint Louis IX in France
ac7667 No.743372
>>743369
Christian Libertarianism is the only way.
975b61 No.743373
>>743372
>Libertarianism
winnie the pooh off protestant jew
e5ed63 No.743375
>>743369
Papal council must be highest authority to settle disputes. Oh and people have to believe in God, which is the main problem now.
0d7408 No.743381
Parliamentary Republic with 3 chamber Parliament, third being Most Holy Synod led by Patriarch and Synod filtering potential candidates for election.
23b3e3 No.743402
Church and state must never be one.
975b61 No.743409
>>743402
>Church and state must never be one.
The Church and State HAVE TO BE ONE. Or your country isn't christian and you'll succumb to Jewish Tyranny. "Religious Freedom" is a Jewish subversive meme, stop falling to it.
0a9945 No.743410
>>743369
It would be subverted within two generations.
a9222c No.743411
>>743372
Based af
>>743373
Low iq statist
Tom woods is one of the good Catholics
0d7408 No.743412
>>743409
Guess you missed Moses and Aaron tandem and "render Caesar's unto Caesar" part when reading the Bible.
State and Church have to be separate but assisting each other, Just as Body and Soul. Google "Symphonia"
975b61 No.743415
>>743412
> The church isn't the state
> The church loses authority and the control of it's people
> people become even more vunerable to subversion
> people become degenerated and hedonist dopamine whores thanks to Jewish subversions
>Somehow, it's good
Yikes
a9222c No.743417
>>743415
How do you excommunicate someone if the relationship wasn't voluntary to begin with?
975b61 No.743418
>>743417
You don't, you force them to repent and serve a repentance. Or for very serious sins and crime, there is more severe punishment such as prison or death sentence.
a9222c No.743419
>>743418
Edgy, but totally distinct from the biblical concepts of excommunication and repentance
0d7408 No.743420
>>743418
If God wanted to force someone to do something, we would already be saved and not rotting in our shit and pus.
Or are you better than God?
975b61 No.743421
>>743420
There would never be a world without rules and there would never be a world without punishment for deviants. God gave free will to men, but that doesn't mean that they could do whatever they want and sin like they want.
60f434 No.743426
The only answer is a traditional monarchy or republic. Everything else is revolutionary and subversive
ecde67 No.743427
>>743369
Sure, the world really went downhill after the lost first world war.
But looking at the problem modestly, any worldly stateform tends to fall sooner or later. Because it is imperfect. No need to make a stateform to an idol.
I would prefer a monarchy, because it is a proven system and is asthetically and mystically pleasing, but that is not the important part. As long as it is christian at root, it will last a bit longer and maybe bring more to salvation. Democracy can work to if it is not so infested by liberalism and all its spawns like today.
d33f56 No.743432
Same thing as vatican city but with other countries
a6844d No.743433
this.
Despite being a Catholic I have tremendous respect for the Iron Guard under Codreanu.
275239 No.743436
>>743433
Didn’t the Iron Guard start venerating Codreanu like a cult leader, and after his death, start literally torturing and hanging Jews on butchers’ hooks as some kind of political statement?
a6844d No.743438
>>743436
>start literally torturing and hanging Jews on butchers’ hooks as some kind of political statement?
I am aware of that story, but as far as I know, there is no evidence to support the claim that they started hanging Jews on butcher hooks.
b359a0 No.743452
>>743409
>The Church and State HAVE TO BE ONE.
History has shown that to be horrible(and canonically illegal), if only because shitty leaders hide behind the Church, and pad their incompetence by invoking the will of God.
Also, the Church gets blamed for all the state's winnie the pooh-ups.
975b61 No.743453
>>743452
And it's retarded.
b359a0 No.743455
>>743438
It's kinda something everyone knows happened around these parts, since it was a big scandal at the time.
>inb4 communist propaganda
Not even. The closest bs legionaries try to pull is "we were friends with the jewish prisoners in commie camps, so it's cool"
As a personal comment, Codreanu's political ideals have always been feels that are good ideas, instead of anything practical.
"Our party will be, like, autistically restrictive to select the cream of the crop, and like super patriotic, and everyone will be hard-working and supporting the good of the State"
t.romanian
37d99d No.743461
>>743402
Salazar didn't create a "Church of Portugal", though.
Unlike some kings in Northern Europe.
d5c8e0 No.743463
>>743415
The Church literally has never been the same thing as The State.
Also
>implying that the church not being the same as the State means that the state can't criminalize sinful activities
01f8bc No.743474
>>743455
And yet there is litterly no evidence for it except the tired "it's a pogrom goy!" bullcrap. And I believe the only scrap of supposed "evidence" is in the hands a some jew academic that she references but doesn't have time to produce to people interested in it.
>Codreanu's political ideals have always been feels that are good ideas, instead of anything practical.
How exactly could he. Litterly everything he did was blocked by a corrupt government. He made work camps made up of iron guard to fix the neglected peasant areas and they make it illeagal saying its undermining the country.
>Our party will be, like, autistically restrictive to select the cream of the crop, and like super patriotic, and everyone will be hard-working and supporting the good of the state.
Seeing it was working for them quite well, till, you know, they were killed, imprisoned, brainwashed and generally did away with and anyone else who wasn't a commie shit.
975b61 No.743497
>>743474
>pogrom
Imagine being such a disgusting obscene and evil """people""" that you have to have a word that means "the goyim are going to kick us out of their land". Disgusting subverting people.
065703 No.743540
Based Portuguese brother.
b359a0 No.743561
>>743474
>And yet there is litterly no evidence for it except the tired "it's a pogrom goy!" bullcrap.
It was a national public scandal at the time.
The fact that the West got it off a newspaper report later is irrelevant.
>How exactly could he.
I'm talking in principle.
>Seeing it was working for them quite well
It was turning into a undisciplined shitshow.
>till, you know, they were killed, imprisoned
Which is partly because of them.
Codreanu became wiser and less bloodthristy while imprisoned, and urged his group to be patient and pray until a favourable situation came along, and the faction that was more loyal to him actually did that, but the guys under Trifa and Sima weren't, which sealed their fate.
eef859 No.743562
>>743372
Profit doesn't care about my religion and morals. So why should we base our society around it? Capitalism actively destroys morals because it needs to sell our vices as virtues. Apathy is sold as respect, impunity is sold as freedom, etc. It's actively evil.
659ec7 No.743563
>>743562
He didn't mention profit nor capitalism you stupid motherwinnie the pooher.
ddc761 No.743570
>>743369
Salazar was a brutal dictator who ran a murderous police state. Not sure why you would want that? Unless of course the alternative is:
>>743372
Lmao
275239 No.743576
>>743570
>Salazar was a brutal dictator
Sauce? Not bait, genuinely curious. Even among non-fascists (which is sort of an irrelevant point cause Salazar wasn’t a fascist but he has certainly developed fascist fanboys) I’ve heard that Salazar was a pretty good and benevolent leader.
01f8bc No.743578
>>743561
>It was a national public scandal at the time.
Yes, because you can't whip people up with lies.
>The fact that the West got it off a newspaper report later is irrelevant.
What point does that make. You can either prove it or you can't.
>I'm talking in principle.
So being Christian isn't practical.
>It was turning into a undisciplined shitshow.
In some ways but again it's hard not to when you're being MURDERED AND IMPRISONED.
>Which is partly because of them.
No. Its because a pack of bloodthirsty Jews and commies wanted Codreanu's head. Everything else is just bullshit after the fact.
eef859 No.743579
>>743563
His author is ancap.
c9d497 No.743581
>>743409
That's literally what caused the Protestant Reformation. Kings wanting to have power over both State and Church.
c9d497 No.743583
065703 No.743777
>>743576
Salazar never killed one person.
Even the commies in jail in cabo Verde had natural deaths.
8cf986 No.743840
>>743402
>Church and state must never be one.
So you place the American constitution above God's word? Your statement has no biblical basis. A christian government doesn't need to be an authoritarian regime.
8cf986 No.743842
>>743427
>But looking at the problem modestly, any worldly stateform tends to fall sooner or later.
This is because of good vs. bad people. Every law can become corrupted when 'followed' by wicked men. The more men there are who follow God's word, the healthier a civilisation will be.
0d7408 No.743898
>>743851
>The feudal monarchy, while admirable, right, and just
079809 No.743931
>>743846
>If this was a business, I wouldn't invest
>muh shekels
Fack off you protestant jew
217bd4 No.743949
>>743581
Wrong
That was a pre-reformation reality of the papacy
217bd4 No.743950
>>743840
>So you place the American constitution above God's word?
Show us from the Bible a mandate for merger between church and state
bbd5aa No.743955
>>743950
The kingdom of Israel.
217bd4 No.743960
8b72c7 No.743969
>>743955
also not a mandate, you've only shown an example of a system of government with control over religious practice that was established in spite of God's preference
0d7408 No.743971
>>743955
High priest and King had different roles. In fact, Samuel cursed Saul for usurping role of the priest, you moron.
bbd5aa No.743973
>>743960
That's an example of religion and state being together tigger.
bbd5aa No.743974
>>743971
You winnie the pooh moron, in medieval monarchies the King and the clergy had different roles as well.
8b72c7 No.743976
>>743973
Okay, I'm looking for a Biblical mandate to satisfy the point "God's word demands union between church and state"
Here's a counterpoint: the new testament churches were persecuted by the government, but satisfied every Biblical responsibility of the local church. How can this be without state support?
0d7408 No.743977
>>743974
And therefore, the state and church were separate and not merged. Assisting eachother, but not asserting dominance or assimilating (except papacy and several states within HRE). If you want Caliphate, Pooh thee well to Baghdad.
de0bfd No.743979
>>743977
>he doesn't want a catholic caliphate + white sharia
bluepilled as winnie the pooh
de0bfd No.743985
>>743984
ancap + christian morality is closer to ancom. literally nothing about capitalism is christian
8b72c7 No.743986
>>743985
define capitalism and explain
bbd5aa No.743988
>>743976
We weren't trying to prove that was in the bible. God doesn't demand anything. But history proved that such governments were much better for the caring of the souls than secular States.
>Here's a counterpoint: the new testament churches were persecuted by the government, but satisfied every Biblical responsibility of the local church. How can this be without state support?
Because the state wasnt Christian.
But in states were Christians arw a majority the church should be part of the governing of the country.
Examples why the opposite is bad we have the USA and western Europe.
de0bfd No.743990
>>743986
capitalism is the autistic desire to make sure you get as much material wealth as possible for your services or trades. if capitalism were a person, it would be the guy who doesn't want to split the bill evenly because he got less food than other people, essentially a kike.
if everyone was a good christian, there would be no need for money in the first place
8b72c7 No.743995
>>743990
Ok, that was unproductive
explain your position "nothing about capitalism is christian" under an accurate definition: an economic system based upon private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.
b359a0 No.744059
>>743578
>What point does that make.
That the whole "the Bucharest pogrom was some invention conjured out of thin air, and first mentioned by some foreign journalist weeks after" meme is bullshit.
In fact, with pic related(an apocryphal letter signed by slaughterhouse workers, denying the narrative), we even have a name for one of the earliest papers that reported on it, "Romania libera".
Also, read this:
http://www.buciumul.ro/2018/01/21/inedit-pogromul-de-la-jilava-adevarul-despre-ianuarie-1941-redeschideti-ancheta-dupa-76-de-ani/
It's well sourced, and has a lot of conclusions you might agree with.
>So being Christian isn't practical.
Christianity is full of canons and rules precifically made in order to make secular and ecclesiastic administration(any accusation is to be brought before the synod, all bishops need to be consecrated by multiple bishops, etc.) clear and conciliar, and not turn it into an idiotic shouting match between retards who's only argument is being the loudest in bragging that they are the only ones defending and serving the country/God, and anyone who disagrees is some jewish traitor that wishes to subvert them.
As a sidenote, some of these canons(81-84) specifically forbid clergy from being part of the gov. or army leadership, or vice-versa, as you are proposing.
>In some ways but again it's hard not to when you're being MURDERED AND IMPRISONED.
This predates that.
And even so, they went directly against Codreanu's wishes, doing violence and threatening Carol, which resulted in the king finding the perfect excuse to execute him.
That's what i'm getting at.
The Legion was a fractured, fanatical beast with multiple, large camps(+some breakway movements, like "Cruciada Romanismului") that were following their own radicalised paths.
That's a disastrous way of leading anything, long-term.
>No. Its because a pack of bloodthirsty Jews and commies wanted Codreanu's head.
The Legion was too unhinged for anyone to reason with or control.
The king imprisoned them, and made his own pseudo-Legion, Antonescu directly deposed them, Hitler advised Romania to get rid of them, etc.
b878d2 No.744062
>>743995
man doesn't own shit, all is God's
8b72c7 No.744076
>>744062
non-argument
I'm asking for a basic reasoning for this anti-capitalist position and all i'm getting are useless platitudes for misdirection
Read the parable of the talents again, Matt 25:14. We are the stewards of God's creation, so the discussion is how man ought to use his resources.
If you oppose private property, the alternative is public property i.e. state control of the economy. Is that what you're advocating? If so, I'd like to hear it
8b72c7 No.744078
>>744077
not me you retard illiterate
8b72c7 No.744081
>>744079
Did you claim that capitalism is not christian or are you just interjecting
b878d2 No.744087
>>744076
>so the discussion is how man ought to use his resources.
man ought to use his resources to glorify God and to uphold human dignity. there is no such thing as private or public property, everything belongs to God, even your body. yes, he has given us dominion over the earth, but we have a duty to use what he has given us in a way that honors him. if everyone understood this and was on board with it, there would be no need for money, and no need for a state to "own" everything, everyone would just share and work not for himself, but his neighbor. that doesn't mean you can't have your own house and shit.
8b72c7 No.744092
>>744087
> there is no such thing as private or property
>that doesn't mean you can't have your own house
textbook overspiritualization
nobody is rejecting that all of creation is ultimately God's
We have ownership as stewards of God's creation. We call that PROPERTY
61402d No.744251
>>743990
The Anglo-American Christian right disagrees with you.
85a058 No.744254
>>743436
But I'm sure he also had his flaws
8841f6 No.744316
>>743402
True, rather the state must be subordinated to the church.
8686f2 No.744356
81235c No.744396
Yes. Secularism eventually leads to atheism. When you're "free" to worship anything you like you're saying "it does not matter what the truth is, the truth is what you choose" You cannot be christian and relativist at the same time. As well as the idea of (((religious liberty))) it melts christianity pretty quickly. Liberal democracy is a cancer imposed upon the west. Most americans will disagree with me but the truth is that Americanist ideals are built upon the very values I criticize. It is a dead end created by what protestantism brought to europe - a never ending fracture. Secularism, democracy, the rule of money.
>>743372
>lolbergtarianism.
kek. I hope this is irony posting - upholding a selfish ideology with no morals whatsoever is literally what's wrong with the west.
60f434 No.744421
>>744396
Exactly. Anglo-american ideals have a anti-christian origin, like liberalism, hobbesianism, muh rights, muh liberty and so on. We christians must reject any anti-christian philosophy, specially those with enlightnement origins, since they completly destroy the faith and society.
21ff98 No.744573
>>744396
This. But it's a nice trick isn't it. You're still free to practice your religion, do all the ceremonies. pretend your a christian nation… but little by little it erodes any value of christianity, turns it into a sunday hobby, and by the time you make it to the supreme court, you better leave your christianity at the door.
21ff98 No.744579
>>744396
btw have you listened/read David Wemhoff? he's done a couple shows on Peter Hellands's yt channel and talks about this. How Americanism/liberalism conquers all and it'll probably remain until the 2nd coming.
81235c No.744811
>>744573
Precisely. first Christianity is respected, it is literally the religion of everyone except for few atheists, jews and """pseudointellectuals""". Then you have a debate on how many % are still christian. Then christianity is an important guiding principle but "nobody lives up to it anymore". THen you;re a backward moron for following it. Then """press""" start proclaiming you're already an atheist nation before it is even truth.
When it comes down this road long enough with enough """secular carols""" and commercialization of everything sacred then "christmas" gets to be "winter festival" or whatever.
The whole concept was built upon this presupposition to do this.
>>744579
Have you got a link? I really liked what Bishop Williamson had to say about it but I am afraid I cannot link to a specific show. His podcasts are worth listening to anyway btw.
>>744656
>give and live in hell created by satan's little helpers
lol
81235c No.744813
Isn't it funny how "being good christian" turned into "being nice". Whatever that means by liberal standards. Basically anyone can throw sh*t at you, everyone has an opinion on what you should/should not do.
Pro-tip: Never let people who are not christian define your faith.
de0fdc No.744838
>>744659
>It's not fantasy
Yeah it is.
Whenever this thread is made for the seventh time, it always turns into a political circlejerk about "muh pure incorruptible rough daddy state that will take care of those mean minorities and jews and women, without me having to lift a finger by actually being civically involved, or being a head of household that can actually educate and keep his family in line against the bullshit advertised in media"
81235c No.745088
>>744838
>it's a fantasy so give up. When pozzed culture destroys your people it's because you were not "good enough fathers"
lol. Yeah. isolated strong father figures will save the day especially if they got hands tied in a way they can get fined/ get they kid taken away from them if they object when his son comes to a realization he wants to cut his dick off. This is like next level lolbergtarian burgerism.
>It's a circlejerk because i dislike it
Seeing half of the catalog there are far worse threads anyway why whine about this one? Nobody forces you to participate. Go post in endless should I be cath or ortho threads if this thread is so bad.
e4d617 No.745109
>>745088
>it's a fantasy so give up.
Yeah, thinking a Munster-meets-Nazi-Germany-meets-Saudi-Arabia with a dash of economic nordic socialism, that is both incorruptible AND brutally repressive and aligns with your specific denominational beliefs is the only way your faith can exist is an effing retarded fantasy.
>Yeah. isolated strong father figures will save the day especially if they got hands tied in a way they can get fined/ get they kid taken away from them if they object
We've had a billion ideologies that imposed those same retarded measures across the past 2k years.
We shook them off like a bad case of fleas, in the long term.
>when his son comes to a realization he wants to cut his dick off.
Raise your kid even nominally right, and he will consider trans shit to be retarded, even if he told its actually ok.
>Seeing half of the catalog there are far worse threads anyway why whine about this one?
It's a thread done to death, and keeps flooding the first page from time to time.
43979b No.745367
>>744813
A good christian would be calling out the Jews.
81235c No.745386
>>745109
Can you compress more buzzwords into one sentence? hardly. Meanwhile your sentence does not say much to counter the arguments presented so far - it just says the opposite that;s all.
Your "model" is easily shattered by the state of America nowadays. The concept of "muh freedumz" does not work. Get over it. Furthermore liberal democracy as we see it imposes over people as any other "ideology" so claiming one's free in it is really puzzling to me..
If democracy lets you choose…then why cannot we choose not to live in democracy? This is literally a million dollar question for the whole west. You can choose…but only in what's presented to you.
>inb4 you can choose
no you cannot. In many countries you go to jail for having a wrong opinion. So much for "muh FREEEDUMBZ!"
Say what you want but there is no system that would approve its getting knocked out by another system. Therefore the line between "democratic" and "authoritarian" or "dictatorship" blurs. Anyone calls democratic what they prefer and uses "dictatorship" to smear opponents.
e79c29 No.745421
>>745386
Democracy (or mob rule) is and has always been totalitarian.
061588 No.745438
>>745109
>we shook them off
>we
81235c No.745448
81235c No.745449
>>745421
freedumz though.
I mean seriously guys, come on!
e4d617 No.745474
>>745386
>Meanwhile your sentence does not say much to counter the arguments presented so far - it just says the opposite that;s all.
I said your perfect little statedom waifu that dominates you just the way you like it, and bullies everyone else it doesn't like is a pie-in-the-sky ideal that would exist in an unstable equilibrium.
You went into an etymological rant about democracy and shit.
To which my reply is:
Your perfect little statedom waifu that dominates you just the way you like it, and bullies everyone else it doesn't like is STILL a pie-in-the-sky ideal that would exist in an unstable equilibrium.
Refute that.
43979b No.745583
>>745421
You mean manufactured consent ?
It's plain tyranny. Control the mind of the people with social engineering, and you'll make them vote against their interest, making the minorties (Jews,CEO,homosexuals,…) rule the majority, by (((talking))) about the morality of (((human rights))) or all the (((Refugees))).
And even then, they'll often do things on their own, sign things the people never wanted and never voted for, only because the people voted for one globalist shill instead of the other. And since the democratic voting system is so opaque, it's so winnie the pooh easy to (((cheat))) and never know about it.
Democracy is a joke…It's just plain tyranny with the ILLUSION of freedom,sovereignty,autonomy,will of the people and voting.
Christian Monarchy has to return and hold accountable Jews for their deeds.
81235c No.746040
>>745474
>waifu
lol
Monarchy had a much longer run than democracy thus was much more stable.
>ideal that would exist in an unstable equilibrium
Yeah so you're the based centrist - no idea is good at all because every syste, exists in "an unstable equilibrum" meanwhile the "strong fathers" as isolated resistance will save the day. lol. Has this not been a case with America?
Laissez-faire and americanism and God Bless America amirite?
81235c No.746041
>>745474
Every system bullies everyone it does not like. if you read my "ethymological rant" you will see I point this out. Every system does not want to be overturned.
You write a lot of useless words as "waifu" "pie in the sky" and frankly you sound like a complete faggot using this kind of rhetoric.
We get it. Your position is "everything is corrupted I am the smart centrist here to tell everyone they're wrong".
Well thank you for your highly sophisticated input into the debate again.
167971 No.746120
>>743570
Salazar wasn't brutal, an average American president does more killing in 4 years than Salazar occasioned in a lifetime. It's just that power comes with at least a little blood, but it's clear from his behaviour that he didn't really have a thirst for power, and had relatively humble objectives. The Carnation Revolution was worse than Salazarism for the prosperity of Portugal, and now it's back to sh*thole country status like it was under the 1st Republic.
ce7dcd No.746212
>>746041
>>746040
First of all, if you want to make it look like there are multiple people disagreeing, stop making posts in quick succesion that say the same thing, and have identical writing styles.
Secondly, you are missing the point.
Historically, in order for a system to not turn into a shitshow long term, you need 2 things:
a)A clear and peaceful transition of power.
I don't care if it's democratic checks and balances, the english system of Parliament being the final arbiter when deciding succesion, the ethiopian royal system of locking your relatives under tight control in the wilderness, or even the ottoman way of "kill all your siblings to secure the throne".
The last thing we need is installing the new government via Soviet Purges, or Nights of the Long Knives.
b)some way of constructive critique, and removing incompetents from power.
Now, it can come via limited turns and impeachment, the royal family quietly forcing a weak king to abdicate, or even the chinese "corrupt dinasties make the country implode, until a competent warlord unites it again"
Unfortunately, authoritarian regimes have a nasty habit of replacing discourse with saying that anyone that disagrees is some counter-revolutionary traitor that is a pawn for the imperialist bourgeoise/the jews/statists/whatever. The more incompetent the dictator, the more frequently that tactic is employed.
Are some of these methods i've listed above inneficient?
Yup, but it sure beats your "we are gonna wing it, but it won't mess up. It's gonna be awesome"
It's not about critiques of american liberals or whatever other whataboutism.
It's about analyzing your proposal in of itself, given historical precedents.
And given that analysis, it's obvious i have no assurance your state won't devolve into everything bad i've said above.
All you've said is "wouldnt it be awesome if we had a hyper-efficient state that aligns perfectly with my viewpoints, and takes care of everything i don't like, without me having to lift a finger?"
81235c No.746258
>>746212
>if you want to make it look like there are multiple people disagreeing
Seriously. Are you mentally impaired? You do not need even "identical writing style" to know I posted 2 posts there are IDs. If I was a faggot I would change IPs and have a different IDs to shill the thread.
Why the hell would I do that?
authoritarian vs democratic is mostly a false dichotomy as I have stated earlier. Democratic system keeps the inconvenient people at bay by jailing them too, just as "dictatorship" does. And yes..just for words/wrong opinions. Not even for actions. So exactly the same "nasty habit" can be claimed in any system.
>The last thing we need is installing the new government via Soviet Purges
where exactly did I say that? I just said that no system whatsoever agrees with its being overturned.
I did not critique "american liberals". you either misunderstood or try to misdirect
>All you've said is "wouldnt it be awesome if we had a hyper-efficient state that aligns perfectly with my viewpoints, and takes care of everything i don't like, without me having to lift a finger?"
No I compared "dictatorship" and "democracy". You just seem to be butthurt about threads where people dislike democracy so you just came here to bitch even about existence of this thread. I did not argue that I do not want to lift a finger. I am simply saying that "laissez faire" system does not work and that your "muh strong fathers" will not stop the decay not even if you shame them long enough. Why? because if wrong people hold all media majority of kids will be spoiled by the culture created.
Furthermore I am standing by my initial point that secularism is the first step to atheism of a nation. This is why secularism was created. And you can see it pretty clearly on the west today - especially the US.
bc83cd No.746471
>>746258
>authoritarian vs democratic is mostly a false dichotomy as I have stated earlier.
It's not about democracy vs autocracy.
It's about the fact that even as far as dictatorships go, your proposal is amateurish and sucks balls.
>Democratic system keeps the inconvenient people at bay by jailing them too, just as "dictatorship" does. And yes..just for words/wrong opinions. Not even for actions. So exactly the same "nasty habit" can be claimed in any system.
Yeah, that's called the Overton window.
But there's a difference between the guy with the swastika on his face calling for genociding everyone being barred from politics, and "I found out you made joke about Supreme Leader. I execute you and send your family to Gulag".
The moment criticism of leadership policy becomes synonimous with treason to the State, your state is gonna become idiotic.
>where exactly did I say that?
You didn't.
That's the problem.
Any system, be it autocratic or democratic, that doesn't have clear rules on organisation or changing governments is gonna turn into a drama filled factionalist warfare, like you see in third world countries, or shitty cults.
>You just seem to be butthurt about threads where people dislike democracy so you just came here to bitch even about existence of this thread.
Mate, i specifically told you it's not about defending democracy, but about your idea being vague and prone to abuse.
I explicitly showed you ways in which various regimes, autocratic or not, tackled these problems.
You lack any of these solutions.
>I did not argue that I do not want to lift a finger.
But you put your hopes on some uncorruptible messianic state that will fix everything.
Learn how to wage culture warfare, both from a position of power, and from one of weakness.
>because if wrong people hold all media majority of kids will be spoiled by the culture created.
And my point is, even in such a system(which has been the norm for many christians throughout history), your children are likely to not embrace that culture, if your internal culture, as a family, and as christians, is solid.
>This is why secularism was created.
It was made by paranoid protestants that feared the gubment is gonna be couped by catholics, and will make the RC the state religion(see pic related).
0961cd No.746476
>>743840
Under the constitution, states were allowed to have a state religion up until a 1940s ruling by the supreme court. This whole separation of church and state is a meme forced by atheists and libertarians.
217bd4 No.746480
>>746476
SCOTUS makes rulings on the constitutionality of cases and no amendment on this topic came after the bill of rights, so it was never permissible in the US for states to establish a religion
81235c No.746632
>>746471
>But there's a difference between the guy with the swastika on his face calling for genociding everyone being barred from politics, and "I found out you made joke about Supreme Leader. I execute you and send your family to Gulag".
Yeah. people who criticize immigration policy/have wrong opinions in UK/Germany are exactly the "guy with a swastika on his face calling for genociding everyone". You are deluded if you think so.
>Pic related
America is a failed experiment
1376f9 No.746649
>>743372
Anarcho-papist gang
90296d No.746844
>>745367
Truthfully isn't Jewish behavior necessary, if not for their behavior and actions we never would've got the redemption and eternal life with Jesus' sacrifice.
16ce78 No.747062
>>746471
>see pic related
>find out its not the truth
8fcd19 No.747192
THE BEGINNINGS OF LEGIONARY LIFE
Four lines marked our small initial life:
1. Faith in God. All of us believed in God. None of us was an atheist. The more we were alone and surrounded, the more our preoccupations were directed to God and toward contact with our own dead and those of the nation. This gave us an invincible strength and a bright serenity in the face of all blows.
2. Trust in our mission. No one could be presented the smallest reason for our possible victory. We were so few in number, so young, so poor, so hated and detested by everyone, that all arguments not based on fact, pleaded against any chances of success. And yet we went ahead thanks only to the confidence in our purpose, an unlimited trust in our mission and in the destiny of our country,
3. Our mutual Iove. Some of us had known one another for some time, having formed close friendships, but others were youngsters, freshmen or sophomores in college, whom we had never met. From the very first days an ambience of affection between us all was established as if we were of the same family and had known each other since childhood.
The need for an inner equilibrium was obvious in order to be able to resist. Our common affection had to be of the same intensity and force to match the wave of hatred from outside. Our life in this nest was not cold, official life, with distance between chief and soldier, with theatrics, rhetorical statements and assumed airs of leadership. Our nest was warm. Relations between us were absolutely casual. One did not come in as into a cold barracks but as into his own house, among his own family. And one did not come here just to take orders, but one found here a ray of Iove, an hour of spiritual quiet, a word of encouragement, relief, help in misfortune or need. The legionary was not asked so much for discipline, in the sense of barracks discipline-as for propriety, faith, devotion and zeal for work.
8fcd19 No.747193
4. The song. Probably, because we had not started out on the, road of reason by setting up programs, contradictory discussions, philosophical argumentations, lectures, our only possibility of expressing our inner feelings was through singing. We sang those songs in which our feelings found satisfaction. "There, High Up on a Black Rock" Ştefan the Great's song, the melody of which, it was said, had remained unchanged from his time to this, from generation to generation. It is said that at the sound of this melody Ştefan the Great triumphantly entered his fort at Suceava 500 years ago. When we were singing it we felt alive with those times of Romanian greatness and glory; we sank 500 years back into history and lived there for a few moments in touch with Ştefan the Great and with his soldiers and archers. "Like a Globe of Gold," the song of Michael the Brave; Avram lancu's song; "Let the Bugle Sound Again," the march of the Military School of Infantry in 1917; "Arise Romanians" written by Iustin Iliesu and Istrate, which we proclaimed as the Legion's hymn. To be able to sing, one has to be in a certain state of spirit, an inner harmony. A person bent on robbing somebody cannot sing, nor can one who is about to commit some other wrong; nor he whose soul is consumed by envy and hate of his comrade; nor he whose soul is devoid of faith. That is why you, legionaries of today and tomorrow, anytime you feel the need to orient yourselves in the legionary spirit, must retum to these four lines of our beginning which constitute the basis of our movement. The song will be a guide to you. If you are not going to be able to sing you must know that a sickness gnaws at the depth of your spiritual being or that life has filled your innocent soul with sins; and if you cannot rid yourselves of these sins, you ought to step aside, leaving your place to those who can sing. Pursuing our life on the above mentioned lines we set out to act from the first days. I designated leaders, who received and gave orders. We did not start out by engaging in some spectacular actions. As we were faced by some problem, we set out to solve it. Our first action was fixing the room in our Home in which the icon of St Michael the Archangel was kept. We whitewashed it, we scrubbed the floor, The legionary girls began sewing curtains. Then legionaries wrote down several maxims I collected either from the Gospels or from other writings. They embelished our walls. Here are some of them:
"God carries us on His victori ous chariot."
"Whoever wins…. I shall be his God."
"He who does not have a sword, let him sell his cloak and buy one."
"Fight bravely for faith."
"Avoid carnal pleasures, for they kill the soul."
"Be vigilant."
"Do not destroy the hero that is in you."
"Brothers in fortune… as in misfortune."
"Whoever knows how to die, will never be a slave."
"I await the resurrection of my Fatherland and the destruction of the hordes of traitors," etc.
In a week's time our headquarters was set up.
Our second action was of a different nature: it pertained to,what our attitude should be toward outside attacks. We decided not to respond to them; which was extremely difficult for us all, Our moral being was being ripped apart. But this was the time of heroic endurance. Another action: no one is to try to convince anybody to become a legionary. The customary sleeve-pulling and fishing for members always displeased me. The system was and has remained contrary, even to this day, to the legionary spirit. We shall state our point of view, simply. Whoever wanted to join, would come. And will join, if he is accepted. But who was coming? People of the same spiritual essence as ours. Many? Very few. In Iaşi, one year later, there were only two or three more than the first day. In the rest of the country however, there were more who were joining as they learned about our existence. All those approaching us were characterized by two distinct lines clearly visible:
1. A great correctitude of soul.
2. The lack of personal interest. Among us, one could profit by no benefits. No promising prospects opened up. Here everybody had only to give-soul, wealth, life, capacity for Iove, and trust.
Even if one who was an incorrect individual or was motivated by some interest joined, he could not remain with us, for he could not find here a propitious setting. He would automatically leave, a month, a year, two or three, retreating, deserting or betraying.
8fcd19 No.747195
bf0322 No.747271
>>744059
>That the whole "the Bucharest pogrom was some invention conjured out of thin air, and first mentioned by some foreign journalist weeks after" meme is bullshit.
Never said it so stop stuffing words in my mouth. I said it was invented out of thin air in Romania. The whole pogrom is bullshit. The highlights being that those put on the hooks were also stamped as "kosher", and Legionnaire women stripping jew men and smacking their dicks around.
>As a sidenote, some of these canons(81-84) specifically forbid clergy from being part of the gov. or army leadership, or vice-versa, as you are proposing.
I've never proposed anything of the sort.
>This predates that.
No it doesn't. From the beginning the corrupt government always used a heavy hand against them.
>The Legion was too unhinged for anyone to reason with or control.
You mean the jews and commies couldn't coopt them for their own use.
e4d617 No.747275
>>747271
Will debate the rest later.
>You mean the jews and commies couldn't coopt them for their own use.
tigga, if even effin' Hitler says you are a loose canon, you def. are.
bf0322 No.747278
>>747275
So Im suppose to trust Nazis now? The guys jews make up even more wild accusations about.
>Will debate the rest later
You haven't done so great so far so I won't get my hopes up.
e4d617 No.747280
>>747278
>So Im suppose to trust Nazis now?
When it comes to far-right movements, i think old Adolf might be a good reference when he says a movement is too autistic, yes.
bf0322 No.747283
>>747280
Or, let me see….maybe the iron guard under Codreanu weren't useful to his plans and instead of backing a group that won't go over to your side to the detriment of their own country,(which seems like the Romanians didn't want to go back to servitude under foreign powers again) and instead say they are crazy and back a horse that will do what you want when its convenient.
From what I remember Germany only wanted Romania for their oil and other resources for their own end so I'm not going to take anything they say as an impartial opinion. Also, going "look at old jew skin lamp Mcgee over here, don't you want to take his opinion on things to heart" doesn't jive well with the bullshit your trying to sell.
e4d617 No.747288
>>747283
Or maybe they managed to piss off both a butthurt king that went full dictator?
And after Codreanu got arrested(which was a kangaroo shitdow), they started chimping out to throw around their weight, despite the fact that he told them specifically not to do that?
Fast-forward to Antonescu's junta, they started flexing their muscles around him, despite the guy not liking to take shit from anyone, and then started to assasinate people they didn't like.
So of course Antonescu threw them out the first chance he got.
It's not about jews or anything, it's about the simple fact of a group acting however they wanted around leaders that didn't like folks not collaborating with them, and doing that shit multiple times.
It's not a conspiracy, but simply what happens when you are dumb and tactless in politics.
bf0322 No.747292
>>747288
>It's not about jews or anything
And thats where your wrong, you can bullshit your way with this mad dog crap but it doesn't convince me one bit. Just like the pogrom propaganda doesn't convince me. Come on, prove to me that legionnaire women reenacted jew erotic fanfics. All this started because you couldn't take me not excepting "it was a scandal in these parts" as proof of anything.
c7a21e No.747586
e4d617 No.747706
>>747271
>The whole pogrom is bullshit.
You have massive physical damage to plenty of synagogues and jewish quarters, as well as graves in the forests.
>The highlights being that those put on the hooks were also stamped as "kosher", and Legionnaire women stripping jew men and smacking their dicks around.
What kind of dumb logic is this?
That's like saying the gulags were a nice place to live because preteen brothels were a sensationalistic meme mentioned in some books.
>No it doesn't. From the beginning the corrupt government always used a heavy hand against them.
Well, when you threaten the king, act however you want, assasinate political leaders that oppose you, and try to force Antonescu's hand by making him appoint legionfags in every political post, of course the governments(multiple) don't like you.
The legionaries didn't get arrested or purged by some commie decree, they got kicked out by the king and the leader of the war period military junta, with the blessing of the Fuhrer.
The entire saga of the Legion isn't a tragic story of people that didn't do nuffin getting purged by commies and shit, it's what happens when you try to push people(Carol, Antonescu) that don't like getting pushed, and getting your teeth kicked in as a a result.
bf0322 No.747784
>>747706
>You have massive physical damage
To alot of things I would hazard to guess. And I wouldn't doubt they started shit as well seeing jews were over represented in the commie shitbirds running amok as they like.
>What kind of dumb logic is this?
If the jews want to cry wolf then you can't expect anyone to believe them. Its those absurd stories that you and them expect people to take as Gods honest truth only makes me not believe them even less.
>of course the governments(multiple) don't like you.
And you can't expect anyone to take it and be amenable to a corrupt government that not only sold out its people but murder, torture, and imprison them for the most flimsiest of bullshit.
>by some commie decree
no, by jew lackey decree.
>with the blessing of the Fuhrer
Apparently he gave the blessing to kill the jews so I don't get why your getting your panties in a twist because iron guard supposedly killed the jews.
>it's what happens when you try to push people(Carol, Antonescu) that don't like getting pushed, and getting your teeth kicked in as a result.
So the moral of the story is you want me to take away is to bow to evil men and do as they say.
Honestly seems like you have way more sympathy for the corrupt government and those who benefited then those actually being oppressed. Don't like the peasants being exploited? To bad. Don't like bands of commies backed by Russia having a free hand in your country? To bad. Want to help the peasants by creating work camps? To bad. Don't like getting the ever loving shit beat out of you for creating work camps? To bad. Want to participate in the "democratic" process like any other group without being bard from entire cities you are trying to run in? To bad. You don't want government and commie thugs barring people to vote? To bad. And on, and on, and on.
If you honestly can't look at the history and the absurd escalation of violence from the begining and say, "well they got what they deserve" or "they started it" then not only do I not give one little bit on any subject you have a opinion about, but makes me think you yourself are a commie shitbird yourself. Or sympathetic with the cause atleast. Makes your mad dog crap make more sense.
>inb4 you called me a commie so you lose
I don't care, your morals and intention here are subject seeing its so important for you to carry water for those you do.
bf0322 No.747788
>>747706
>it's what happens when you try to push people
Then why do you care what the legion did? People being pushed seems to be an excuse to do as you like.
e4d617 No.747901
>>747784
>To alot of things I would hazard to guess. And I wouldn't doubt they started shit as well seeing jews were over represented in the commie shitbirds running amok as they like.
Ah, good, so we went from "nothing ever happened" to "yeah, it happened, but they totally deserved it"
>If the jews want to cry wolf then you can't expect anyone to believe them. Its those absurd stories that you and them expect people to take as Gods honest truth only makes me not believe them even less.
Again, were gulags actually nice places to live because America had an interest in passing off unverified weird anecdotes in those books?
>And you can't expect anyone to take it and be amenable to a corrupt government that not only sold out its people but murder, torture, and imprison them for the most flimsiest of bullshit.
Lots of movements with good intentions experienced that.
Still doesn't make it right.
>no, by jew lackey decree.
Ah yes, Carol, Antonescu and the Nazi Party.
Those legendary philosemites.
>So the moral of the story is you want me to take away is to bow to evil men and do as they say.
No, the moral is, if you try to winnie the pooh with stubborn politicians like that, especially once you've gotten into power, the politicians are gonna winnie the pooh you harder.
>Honestly seems like you have way more sympathy for the corrupt government and those who benefited then those actually being oppressed.
I believe Iorga, Armand Călinescu and Antonescu were much more useful to the country than them, and the first 2 getting murdered for standing in their way is a tragedy, yes.
>Don't like the peasants being exploited? To bad. Don't like bands of commies backed by Russia having a free hand in your country? To bad. Want to help the peasants by creating work camps? To bad. Don't like getting the ever loving shit beat out of you for creating work camps? To bad. Want to participate in the "democratic" process like any other group without being bard from entire cities you are trying to run in? To bad. You don't want government and commie thugs barring people to vote? To bad. And on, and on, and on.
Did they do that?
Yes, and it was very commendable.
Then again, so did Pablo Escobar.
Frankly, it doesn't matter what their underlying philosophy was.
Their entire political platform could have been "getting stray dogs adopted". Any group that did the shit they did(trying to take complete control by force, threaten and murder politicians, etc.) to do so, in any gov., would have ended up outlawed and in prison.
Yes, even if the gov started it at the beggining.
>If you honestly can't look at the history and the absurd escalation of violence
Well, yes, Duca's arrest decree was a bad thing, but if you wanna continue one-upping each other in an insane cycle of vengeance and assasinations for a decade onwards, that's bound up to end up ugly, and stopping it becomes very important.
>but makes me think you yourself are a commie shitbird yourself. Or sympathetic with the cause atleast. Makes your mad dog crap make more sense.
Yup, this is PRECISELY the stuff i hate about them, or any other far-right/left ideology that uses this retarded rhetoric of "you disagree with me? Well, that means you a secret member/stooge of the corrupt international commies/jews/capitalo-imperialist russians/americans that exploit and rob the little guy, while we did (insert act of charity) to lift them up".
I assume you would have sent someone to threaten or shoot me, too, if given the chance.
And yes, i would have arrested you for it, and curtailed your activities, even if you had good intentions, the system was unfair to you during your rise, and we both want communism to fail, simply because it's a completely normal reaction on my side.
bf0322 No.748057
>>747901
>Ah, good, so we went from "nothing ever happened" to "yeah, it happened, but they totally deserved it"
No I said a pogrom never happened. If a jews death without context means a pogrom happened then I guess the United states commited a pogrom when they executed ethel and julius rosenberg. Even if the iron guard went after only communist they would get a higher then normal jew count.
>because America
We aren't talking someone in another country thousands of miles away making these acusations, we are talking people in the country making them who are known liars and manipulators who take their stories to unbelievable levels.
>Ah yes, Carol,
Got it on the nose buckaroo.
>Antonescu
is a useful pawn of
>Nazi Party
who cared not one bit for the Romanians and left it so Communist could sweep in and takeover.
>stubborn politicians
I think you misspelled "corrupt". Or were you try to spell "evil". You want to take this relativistic approach while not taking in the actual things happening on the ground at the time.
>Yes, and it was very commendable.
But the hell with them cuz I got water to carry for the other guys
>wanna continue one-upping each other
No, when a corrupt government goes full tilt at you from the very begining it can't be considered tit for tat. I understand that you want to frame it as such but again, I couldn't care less for your thoughts on it.
>you a secret member/stooge
Well, if you want to carry water for them and use the same "mad dog" projection they always use then I'll have to call a spade what it is.
>I assume
Yes you do bud, glad you can finally admit it.
>you would have sent someone to threaten or shoot me
No, I think I could deal with you when you ran around with your black clad buddies.
>the system was unfair
Again, if that's what you think happened to Codreanu and the iron guard then your an idiot trying to smooth over history because you just have an irrational hate for them. You want to frame it as crazies vs. your average milktoast government, to make it look like they were justified in doing as they like.
e4d617 No.748227
>>748057
>No I said a pogrom never happened. f a jews death without context means a pogrom happened
Ah, yes, syngagogues just happened to get looted and burned, and jewish people just happened to end up dead in Bucharest and the forest during their little chimpout.
>We aren't talking someone in another country thousands of miles away making these acusations
It's irrelevant.
Any nasty incident will have some guy stating the perpetrators were doing some incredibly specific crazy thing while doing it, in some random book.
A weird anecdote(btw, i've never heard of your little story involving jewish genital abuse in my life, so i don't know where you took that from) doesn't change anything.
>Got it on the nose buckaroo.
Not really. Carol was an antisemite(despite having a half-jewish mistress), and as for the last 2, you are already sliding from your previous point.
>I think you misspelled "corrupt". Or were you try to spell "evil".
No, i'm saying stubborn, as in countering the Legion's proposal of "fill every gov position with Legionaire's, or else!", with his own counter-offer.
>But the hell with them cuz I got water to carry for the other guys
Listen, mate, Al Capone and Escobar were also very active in their communities, helping the poor, doing charity, keeping gang violence away, etc.
That doesn't justify their other actions.
>No, when a corrupt government goes full tilt at you from the very begining it can't be considered tit for tat.
Ok, let me make it clear for you, since it's very clear your reading comprehension sucks.
The Legion did 4 idiotic things that had direct negative consequences for them:
-Threatening the King;
-Not listening to Codreanu when he told them to stay put and not riot while he was in prison, knowing that'd be a perfect excuse to execute him;
-Openly assasinating leading politicians;
-Trying to strongarm Antonescu;
>use the same "mad dog" projection they always use
Even a broken clock is right sometimes.
>No, I think I could deal with you
Sure, but if after trying it, you end bleeding in a ditch, with your skull cracked, don't act like you didn't bring it on yourself.
>when you ran around with your black clad buddies.
I don't even know what that's supposed to be a reference to.
>You want to frame it as crazies vs. your average milktoast government
No, i'm putting it as people that wouldn't even listen to their own leader!
047a5d No.748255
>>748227
>Ah, yes, syngagogues just happened to get looted and burned, and jewish people just happened to end up dead in Bucharest and the forest during their little chimpout.
Yep, but I'm going to use your argument, that they started shit so it's of no consequence what happened to them.
>It's irrelevant.
Nope. If a communist or jew tells you the sky is blue you take a couple days to think it over if it's true or not. Then you take a couple days to figure out what scheme they are trying to pull.
>No, i'm saying stubborn, as in countering the Legion's proposal
Oh, I didn't know they were in negotiations when they were getting the shit beaten out of them for creating work camps. Silly me.
>That doesn't justify their other actions.
But it does justify everyone else's actions I guess.
>The Legion did 4 idiotic things
No, it seems that the things they did wrong was either not being commie shitbirds (seeing they had a free hand to do as they like) or not being corrupt lickspittles for the ruling government. Everything else is just your bullshit.
>don't act like you didn't bring it on yourself.
War has consequences, but it's funny because the only ones who exemplifies this in this situation were commies and jews who still whine and boo hook about it.
f6b5d6 No.748340
>>743570
The only people I find saying this are communists. Most of the incidents I've seen regarding the issue had to do with him quelling the communist fevour out of his country.
Which honestly I don't blame him for.
047a5d No.748342
>>748227
>Even a broken clock is right sometimes.
Yes, about themselves. The projection part should have tipped ya.
e4d617 No.748389
>>748255
>Yep, but I'm going to use your argument, that they started shit so it's of no consequence what happened to them.
Well, atleast you are honest.
>Nope. If a communist or jew tells you the sky is blue you take a couple days to think it over if it's true or not. Then you take a couple days to figure out what scheme they are trying to pull.
Or you could look out a window and see just how blue the sky is.
>Oh, I didn't know they were in negotiations when they were getting the shit beaten out of them for creating work camps. Silly me.
I love how you mix the timeline to no end, citing early 30's police abuse with late 40's commie rule, to avoid actually saying anything, when i'm inquiring pretty specific questions about very specific incidents between April 1938 and January 1941.
It's like you don't have an actual argument, instead repeating the same vague platitutes about "coruption", "commies", "jews" and "lackies" strung together.
You have chronic avoidance of even simple ass questions, like why didn't they listen to even Codreanu, or where did that dick smacking meme come from?
Now, can you answer atleast those very simple, non-political questions without going how the corrupt police be keeping the legionaire man down?
047a5d No.748409
>>748389
>Well, atleast you are honest.
Don't need to be honest when u can use your disingenuous argument.
>Or you could look out a window and see just how blue the sky is.
Wow, flew over your head that one.
>I love how you mix the timeline to no end
You mean what you've been doing this whole time?
>It's like you don't have an actual argument,
Again, what you have been doing this whole time. Your only argument is "I think they're a-holes so screw them" and excusing everything anyone else did to get their.
>like why didn't they listen to even Codreanu,
Because getting rounded up for prison camps to be tortured and killed isn't something to go quietly to.
>or where did that dick smacking meme come from?
The sick minds of the jew.
>Now, can you answer atleast those very simple, non-political questions without going how the corrupt police be keeping the legionaire man down?
If you want to play down what the legion and those that didn't hate their guts faced then no you toothless coward.
047a5d No.748432
>>748409
>like why didn't they listen to even Codreanu,
>Because getting rounded up for prison camps to be tortured and killed isn't something to go quietly to.
And he told them that while the kangaroo court was still going on and they didn't get it in their heads to try to break him out when there was still a bit of hope to beat it. Once he knew he was never going to leave the prison alive I doubted he cared once they started rounding them up in mass.
fe2a83 No.748637
>>748432
>And he told them that while the kangaroo court was still going on and they didn't get it in their heads to try to break him out when there was still a bit of hope to beat it.
Nope, he told them that specifically after he got imprisoned, to pray, and how "patience is a Legion virtue".
>>748409
>The sick minds of the jew.
Yeah, sure, but where did you read it?
Couldnt find any references to such a thing, either in english or romanian.
bf0322 No.748657
>>748637
>Nope, he told them that specifically after he got imprisoned, to pray, and how "patience is a Legion virtue".
Ok, the site isn't working so I did some more looking into it. I was right but for the trial right before the last one which were back to back. He told them to hold their crap if he was sentenced to less than six months in prison for the first trial because he wanted to set an example, but he ordered them to defend him if the government decided to attack him. Then when he was sentenced in the second one he told them to not start crap at the prison like trying to break him out. Not some blanket order to stand down completely and bow to them.
Even if it wasn't your assertion that it was the reason for Codreanu's death is crap as well. Codreanu didn't want them to have a legitimate reason for them to kill him. Not one of your "they're a-holes so we can do as we like" excuses. They were never going to let him go. It wouldn't matter what the iron guard did and they were probably pissed to no end that they didn't make a move to break him out so they would have a reason to kill him.
>but where did you read it?
https://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/nebraska/9780803220645/
Apparently from this book. Wasn't that hard to find. Just plugged the keywords in Google.
A commie shill threw that bull at me before. If you want to spend money to learn more lies to believe then be my guest.
e4d617 No.748790
>>748657
>Not some blanket order to stand down completely and bow to them.
Trifa's faction went full Taliban, though.
>Not one of your "they're a-holes so we can do as we like" excuses.
No, that's your apologia for them.
>Apparently from this book.
Page? And at least a non-paywall link to access it?
bf0322 No.748825
>>748790
>Page? And at least a non-paywall link to access it?
You want me to write a dissertation and pay you to grade it as well while I'm at it.
e4d617 No.748837
>>748825
If you stake a claim that X is from Y book, you better provide some collaborating evidence that that book contains X, and not just:
>Umm…it's here. What? Well, of course you can't see it, but trust me, it's in that 700-page book, somewhere.
bf0322 No.748861
>>748837
Coming from the man that thought "it was a scandal around these parts" was good enough for me. I'm not paying to read some shit book some lie originated from.
>Well, of course you can't see
No, you can see it, I gave you a link straight to the source. Go look for a free pdf or something and stop putting your own laziness on me.
f96850 No.748867
>>748861
>No, you can see it, I gave you a link straight to the source.
That's not the source.
Sources have chapters and page numbers.
Even in theology, we say "Hope is an anchor of the soul-Hebrews 6:19" not "Hope is an anchor of the soul-it's in the Bible, winnie the pooh you if you don't have a copy"
You just gave the most generic book about the Holocaust in Romania you could find, that is purposely innacesible behind a pay-wall, and expected me to consider it proper scolarship.
>Go look for a free pdf or something and stop putting your own laziness on me.
Looked for it, anon.
Couldn't find any, since the book is niche.
If you can't prove it came from that book, or say where you first read it, or alteast find any mention of Legion genital smacking in popular culture, i can only conclude you pulled it out of your ass.
bf0322 No.748875
>>748867
>You just gave the most generic book about the Holocaust in Romania you could find, that is purposely innacesible behind a pay-wall, and expected me to consider it proper scolarship.
And yet "scandal around these parts" somehow is proper scholarship.
>or say where you first read it,
Already did. A commie shill brought it up. Tried to make out that the legion was just frustrated(men and women) for Jew dick.
>i can only conclude you pulled it out of your ass.
That's where I think the majority of what you say comes from
f96850 No.748880
>>748875
>And yet "scandal around these parts" somehow is proper scholarship.
Well, at the start, i believed you were proposing the cliche "the original source is an american news clip from weeks later" story.
> A commie shill brought it up. Tried to make out that the legion was just frustrated(men and women) for Jew dick.
Ah yes, some random "commie shill" was trolling you in 2018 in a forgotten corner of the Internet, so he's part of the conspiracy.
bf0322 No.748890
>>748880
>i believed
Couldn't care less. If that was the best of your scholarship, assuming what I was saying and declaring it was such, me actually giving a specific book puts me leagues above you.
>trolling you in 2018
2017
>in a forgotten corner of the Internet
If you call this place forgotten.
>so he's part of the conspiracy.
Yes, commie shills are such a rarity that it has to be a conspiracy.
f96850 No.748895
>>748890
>me actually giving a specific book puts me leagues above you.
I didn't make specific claims on this one, though.
You did.
>2017
Ah, so much better.
>Yes, commie shills are such a rarity that it has to be a conspiracy.
A tankie saying some crap specifically to trigger you is just that.
bf0322 No.748902
>>748895
>Legionnaire women took part in the pogrom; all survivors noted their involvement in the torture, and some of the worst acts of abuse were at their hands. According to the witnesses, Legionnaire women stripped Jewish men and hit their genitalia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legionnaires%27_rebellion_and_Bucharest_pogrom
Holy shit. You didn't look did you. I took literally a minute to find the book. Now a quick Wikipedia search comes up with that. And if you don't have the reading comprehension or to lazy to even look it's under "the Bucharest pogrom" section.
(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST) bf0322 No.748903
>>748895
>I didn't make specific claims on this one, though.
No you didn't, but you did make a claim and tried to prove it by saying"it was a scandal around these parts".
Maybe be less lazy in the future.