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>>742622

You do realise that Russia is a massive country and that it took 300 years to colonise it all.

Protestants also converted more of the world than Orthodoxy, but as a Catholic you cannot consider Protestantism closer to the the truth than Orthodoxy.

This evangelism is mere historical and geographical coincidence.

>>742626

I'm not here to clash. I'm asking a genuine question. The subject of this topic is not the flaws of the catholic church. So shut up with your stupid memes.

>>742628

>You do realise that Russia is a massive country and that it took 300 years to colonise it all.

Yeah, a massive country with less population than France in the 19th century, that makes a lot of orthodox ahah.

>This evangelism is mere historical and geographical coincidence.

There is no historical and geographical coincidence, all is part of the divine providence.

And it seems strange God didn't want orthodoxy to convert more people. It's like he wanted only catholicism to fight against proties in order to let catholicism win. God letting the apostolic monopoly to catholics.

So why didn't you evangelize like catholics did ? God ask us to convert all nations.

>>742622

>why you othrobros only convert Russia and nowhere else?

Ukraine is rightful Russian clay confirmed! CIA tiggers BTFO!

>>742622

>converted America

Woo! Prots no longer responsible for the endless and bloody wars in the ME anymore! Thanks cucklics!

>>742635

>There is no historical and geographical coincidence, all is part of the divine providence.

Just like how there was a protestant reformation in Catholic countries endangering the souls of millions, but none in Orthodoxy.

>And it seems strange God didn't want orthodoxy to convert more people

We do, its hard when you go out to convert and end up being killed, instead of going to a technologically backward world ad killing off most of the natives.

>So why didn't you evangelize like catholics did ? God ask us to convert all nations.

We do, but we end up being killed instead of doing the killing (intentional or not).

These are the kind of threads, the kind of topics and the kind of answers which are pullitme away from attempting to kindle again the love I once had for God…they make me hate humanity, Christianity and myself in a devastating way.

>catholicism, which converted america

um what

do you mean like 18th century spanish missions?

>>742638

>TIL

Sup, reddit.

Because Orthodox countries were landlocked and couldn't colonize. These catholic countries didn't send that many missionaries to lands they didn't own. Orthodox countries weren't as economically powerful as Spain, France and England came to be.

Also, half of Orthodoxy was engulfed by Islam during the high middle ages.

>>742664

Sorry if I didn't made clear in the Op I'm not here to be hostile but to seek truth.

>>742662

>Just like how there was a protestant reformation in Catholic countries endangering the souls of millions, but none in Orthodoxy.

Islam ?

>We do, its hard when you go out to convert and end up being killed, instead of going to a technologically backward world ad killing off most of the natives.

What are you thinking about with native or you being killed ?

>>742650

But Russia had Siberia in 1683 at least. So they could have evangelized Asia, they had access to the east cost (and to the west cost before also, through the Baltic sea).

>>742667

No, in the 16th century. And catholic french evangelized the Canada.

Also, why did the Ethiopians or Coptic didn't evangelized Africa ?

I heard an orthodox said they didn't proselytized because they don't have the fioloque. Et thus the father only is responsible for the spirit that is already present in the world before the coming of Christ. Which I understand like it would mean there is already the spirit in other religions.

>>742680

nice deflection too bad that doesn't change anyting

>>742775

when you say something like "catholicism converted america" the natural implication is that you're talking about the nation-state, the US

Instead the US is ~50% protestant despite our situation of overwhelming foreign immigration

>>742862

I think this is exactly what OP is asking. He's not saying that you sat down all day and only cared about yourself.

>>742869

The same can be said for your post.

Until recently the Orthodox has been violently suppressed by godless Communists. That's your answer.

>>742951

It's not that way at all in the American south. It's common for someone to say "no I'm not Christian, I'm Catholic". Are you European?

The baptist name comes from the practice of believers baptism, as opposed to pedobaptism, and it is explicitly not viewed as a sacrament

>>742959

I'm a Texan too. Are you in the valley and it's all mexican?

I have several times knocked on a door in Texas to share the gospel and the response is "no, I'm catholic"

>>742664

You're on an imageboard.

>>742775

>But Russia had Siberia in 1683 at least

You do realize exactly what Siberia is right? It is practically a wasteland, it is not a place that you travel easily across in 1684, 1784, 1884, and it even proves to be difficult terrain today unless you fly. The "west coast", by which I assume you mean the coast along either the Bering sea, Sea of Okhotsk, or the Sea of Japan, is also not navigable for several months out of the year due to ice. The Russians did colonize and evangelize Alaska to some success though. Furthermore in the east, the route via the Baltic directly passes through territories that the Russian Empire has long enjoyed terrible relations with. How exactly is one supposed to maintain an empire abroad if his ships are constantly refused passage? Simple, he does not.

tl;dr you're retarded and wrong on every dumb point and implication.

>>742622

Imagine a fishbowl the size & shape of a basketball.

Now imagine a tennis ball floating on the surface with the upper part of the tennis ball exposed to the air.

According to St. Gregory Palamas this is a model of the earth. He says that there is no need to evangelize other people and places since they are underwater. Volume 4 of the Philokalia.

>>742622

Probably because there were no Greek or Russian expat communities in those countries

>>742622

Both the Byzantine and the Russian Empires evangelized. The results of the Russian missions are not visible only because most of the converted lands are still part of Russia. On the other hand, the Orthodox nations did not have access to seas and oceans, so only now we are able to start a global scale evangelization. Which is interesting: while all other main Christian denominations seem to be in decline, the Orthodoxy is in rise and building new temples.

>>742628

>Protestants also converted more of the world than Orthodoxy

Not really, unless you mean converting the farmland or something.

>>743033

No need to insult. I am just asking genuine question. I'm not trying to advance any opinion or point of view. I just try to understand.

I think you got some points.

>>743107

That's interesting, but what does this mean exactly ? Do you know why he want to oppose evangelization ? Is that all he say or we can know of his opinion on this ?

>>743344

>Both the Byzantine and the Russian Empires evangelized.

From what I understand, russian evangelized in the east or in Siberia, what are you thinking about exactly ?

>>743505

>Japan, China and Iran.

They evangelized these ?

>>743383

Yes really

Name one non-western country with a greater Catholic presence than protestant

>>743529

Poland?

>>743525

Well, that seems interesting, I will have to look on this. Thank you for the info.

>>742776

>I heard an orthodox said they didn't proselytized because they don't have the fioloque.

Who the heck told you that?

>>743566

are you the same guy who posted this in Ortho thread?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWB7vAxmAQ8

You have to realize that from an Orthodox point of view, every Christian country save the Orientals, Nestorians etc was Orthodox. This includes, England, Germany, France, and Spain. In that effect, Orthodox Christianity did remarkably well when it came to evangelism.

After the schism, Orthodox missionaries converted not only Russia but also Georgia but also Serbia, Bulgaria, and others.

After the Fourth Crusade the Roman Empire ceased to be a meaningful geopolitical force, and all of Orthodoxy was swamped by the muslims and steppe peoples. It's great that Russia became a mighty world power in the 1700s, and the fruits of Russian evangelism were Orthodoxy's spread into North America. It is thanks to Russia that Orthodoxy has a meaningful organizational presence in America today.

I think it did pretty well tbh.

>>743530

Poland is not exactly non-western we are catholic country since 966 AD

>>743529

aslo i recommend you lurk about Moravian Brothers in Herrnhut, they did and still doing a great job