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>>730897

I read it in Heiser's book, but here's an article I just found, also by Heiser:

http://www.biblestudymagazine.com/extras-1/2014/10/31/clash-of-the-manuscripts-goliath-the-hebrew-text-of-the-old-testament

>The Septuagint at times disagrees with the Masoretic text. The Septuagint has the height of Goliath at four cubits and one span, or about six feet, six inches.

>>730844

and what translation do you use? If it isn't giants, why do Baruch, Judith, Enoch, Jubilees, 3 Maccabees, Numbers, and several other books describe them as physical, literal giants? Let's also not forget St. Irenaeus, St. Ambrose, St. Justin Martyr, St. Basil the Great, St. Athenagoras, St. Clement of Alexandria, Eusebius of Caesara, Philo, and plenty more.

>>730832

The Watchers, or the fallen angels who took wives among men, were the pagan gods, and the Nephilim were their children, the demigods as per Genesis, Enoch, Jubilees, and the Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs.

>>730832

>Where the nephelim the ancient Greek/Norse/Eastern gods and demigods that pagan's worship?

Haha, no.

The pagan gods are the true gods, for they don't need weekly sermon and still persist.

You don't need to be told night daily that dogs piss on walls.

But you do have to be told night daily that:

Atheism is truth.

Communism is truth.

The Holocaust is truth.

Liberalism is truth.

The money system is truth.

Christianity is truth.

Islam is truth.

judaism is truth.

2000 years of so called conquest and the pagan gods are *still* in power.

Gods actually don't need humans to believe in them.

If anything, the god of the bible might be a giant who used to exist and tried to corrupt this world.

Of course he hasn't existed in a long time but his stories were still told.

Gods don't act mysteriously, you know?

The pagan gods of all their people still do the things they are doing, beauty, strength, justice, it's all still here.

But Yahweh? Acting mysteriously since forever.

Also, Yahweh wouldn't be recreated by anyone without the bible and continuation of the stories about him.

Thundergods and co, though? Oh, they come to even the most primitive of people. They arrive at these gods naturally without a single day of missionarywork.

>>731119

>>731120

>>731160

The face of paganism

>>731160

>None of what you've said in either of your posts are even remotely close to an argument, you just make baseless statements.

Wrong. If I made a baseless statement then missionaries would not be necessary.

>>731179

>The face of paganism

Watch out with those memes. One might turn them around and compare your dick mutilated Christianity to the very same European Christianity you rationalize your own beliefs with, which you fail to observe even on this basic level.

>>731175

>due to fear of being seen as Nazis.

Dumb reason and has been slowly eroded since every day jews do something they were said they were doing, making those statements true.

Obligatory:

Numbers of jews gassed by national socialists since the alleged holocaust: 0. Zero.

Numbers of penises mutilated by jews since national socialist Germany: millions

Numbers of animals slaughtered with inhumane kosher slaughter practices since NatSoc Germany: probably billions.

Boycotts against domestic gentile trade with the kosher label and prerequisite for jewish patronage: countless.

Instances of masquerading as whites of European descent by ashkenazim for the purpose of race baiting and other sabotage: countless.

Resources drained from gentile nations and people, including the alleged saviors of the jews, the Americans: many, many billions worth.

Numbers of chickens waved around in the ritual of kapparot that transfers sins from the jew onto the chicken: probably billions.

Numbers of oaths and promises voided which whites take seriously and at face value via the ritual of kol nidre: countless since it happens every year at yom kippur.

Amount of antiwhite propaganda produced and aimed at even their alleged saviors: countless.

Amount of atrocities committed against gentiles: countless.

Amount of usurious FIAT currency created, peddled and cultivated by jews: a figure that doesn't fit inside this comment due to the sheer number of zeroes.

Amount of meddling in foreign affairs despite usually being only 1-5% of the population: nigh infinite

Amount of marxism, bolshevism, globalism etc: infinite

Amount of kvetching in general: infinite.

And many, many, many other things that happened after the alleged holocaust, including the lie itself and all the atrocities against whites derived from that.

Now to the important tally:

Number of worries about jews voiced by gentiles based on actual things happening like genital mutilation et cetera legitimized by jews and golems: 0

Number of worries about nazis actively hunting, killing, persecuting, gassing jews despite none of that happenin legitimized by jews and golems: as many as there are claims made.

tl; dr:

jewish fear of persecution, which they deserve due to their heinous acts and despicable nature but is, sadly, not happening is routinely legitimized.

Gentile fear of the degrading, parasitical, atrocious effect of the jewish race in the light of their many, many actions which they commit daily is stamped away as irrational.

>>731123

>Redditspacing

It's not a counter.

>>731132

>d&c baiting this hard

Christianity says that Satan rules this world.

Why would exactly the same principle not apply to Yahweh in the shoes of Satan and the pagan gods, under their various names and kinds of intrinsic, self building worship being the real gods that defeated this false god.

Hence Yahweh "acting mysteriously" and all the sects suffering from so much degeneracy that people can't stop wailing about it?

And again, if I were talking hogwash then missionaries would not be required, if Christiaity is the self emergent truth for all, then no missionaries would be required.

>>731230

>Christianity never made claims of "self-emergent truth". It's called the "good news" for a reason:

>People have to actually hear "news" to know it.

Most fragile omnipotent and only one true faith faith, ever.

And, no, that doesn't make it more valid, again, it makes it the opposite, less valid.

There exists no truth in this universe that cannot be arrived at by alternative means other than what is canon today.

Even if we forgot all mathematics, it could be reborn with exactly the same rules and principles , just under different names.

The Bible, the one true words of the one true god, is not like this.

I'm not saying it's impossible that humans would return to the Christian ways exactly as they are, but even under different names it would be a direct violation of the "THESE are the words of God, not THESE".

Anyway, it would make sense for a malicious entity to say it is the real good boy and the real good boy is the bad boy.

If there were a world where all good people are understood to wear white robes, and all bad people wear black robes.

Would an evil person not wear white anyway, because they're evil and deceptive?

It makes the most sense that Yahweh was a rogue giant/adversary (they come in so many forms in the various heathen beliefs all over the world) that entered this world to make it its own?

But then got either defeated or just suppressed or banished, hence the "nothing is actually happening", while the real gods just do their thing, giving us *true* free will.

No commanded, personalized floods. No plagues. Nothing like that.

Yahweh doesn't do anything reliably, doesn't even judge or punish "sins" while on earth.

If a sinner sins and there is no other human around to perceive or learn of the sin, has the sinner really sinned?

In other words: Humans usually do the judging on behalf of Yahweh.

If 50 people went, one by one, into a remote forest and either praised Yahweh or cursed him, with nobody else around to listen.

These people would live completely ordinary life, with bystandanders completely incapable of knowing if they were sinners or not.

After all, some of the most evil people live fullfilled and long lives of prosperity while many good people live lives of suffering and destitude.

Sure, if you knew that a particular person went into the forest, and they would gain misfortune, then you might tell yourself that they must be one of the sinners and they are being punished for it, but that would really just be your own thoughts.

>>731227

>>731303

>your dick mutilated Christianity

WTF are you talking about, you retarded tranny worshipper?

Also

>reddit spacing

But this penis obsession that you pagans have is quite fitting, considering your 'gods' drank jizz.

>>731307

>WTF are you talking about, you retarded tranny worshipper?

Your lack of a foreskin.

>considering your 'gods' drank jizz.

Been a while since I had to post it.

>>731320

>Because you don't know by emergence? Wut?

Are you seriously suggesting that if, for some reasons, all current traces of all spirituality was erased from all minds of all people, that the Bible would be recreated 1:1 verbatim as it was in its original shape?

Do you consider this 100% likely?

Do you consider it more likely than people dreaming up thunder and harvest gods as they do all around the world, the "revelation" based religion had to parasitize?

Well, good on you then.

>>731560

>Your lack of a foreskin.

Its americans who cut foreskin, imbecile, not christians

>Been a while since I had to post it.

Regardless of this particular reference, non-Jewish historians such as Brit Solli, Hilda Davidson, Jenny Blain, David M. Wilson, Peter Godfrey Foote and Jacqueline Simpson have long confirmed the homosexual / bisexual / transvestite nature of Odin and his priesthood in their books.

Odin is mentioned as being the master of seiðr, a form of magic considered shameful for men to perform, so was reserved for women. It involved passive sexual rites. Odin's priesthood were, in fact, a "select" group of men who donned effeminate robes in rituals to dance together and imitate women, fondle each other behind screens and later bribe men from villages to perform sodomy on them as part of granting "magical powers." The habits of Odin’s devotees "involved such practices as to make people believe that Odin played the woman's part in the sexual act. In the Norse world such an invert was regarded with disgust, but also with apprehension, for it seems to have been believed that unknown knowledge and perilous psychic force might be gained by playing such a role" according to "The Viking Achievement" (1994) by Foote & Wilson.

Níð was part of a family of concepts which all have connotations of passive male homosexuality, such as: ergi or regi (nouns) and argr or ragr (the adjective form of ergi) ("willing or inclined to play or interested in playing the female part in sexual relations with another man, unmanly, effeminate, cowardly"); ergjask ("to become argr"); rassragr ("arse-ragr"); stroðinn and sorðinn ("sexually used by a man") and sansorðinn ("demonstrably sexually used by another man") (Sørenson 17-18, 80). A man who is a seiðmaðr (one who practices women's magic) who is argr is called seiðskratti (Sørenson 63).

Homosexuality was not regarded by the pagan Norse peoples as being evil, perverted, innately against the laws of nature or any of the other "baggage" about the concept that Christian belief has provided Western culture. Christian belief condemns both the active and passive roles of homosexual intercourse, whereas the pagan Scandinavians attached disapproval only to the male who was homosexually passive. Being used homosexually by another man was equated with cowardice because of the custom of sexual aggression against vanquished foes. This practice is documented in Sturlunga saga, most notably in Guðmundar saga dýra where Guðmundr takes captive a man and his wife, and plans for both the woman and the man to be raped as a means of sexual humiliation ["Ok var þat við orð at leggja Þórunni í rekkju hjá einhverjum gárungi, en gera þat vi Björn prest, at þat þaeligitti eigi minni svívirðing"]. (Sørenson 82, 111; Sturlunga saga, I, 201).

In addition to rape, defeated enemies were frequently castrated, again testified to in several places by Sturlunga saga. Grágás records that a klámhogg or "shame-stroke" on the buttocks was, along with castration, a "major wound" (hin meiri sár), ranked with wounds that penetrated the brain, abdomen, or marrow: the klámhogg was thus equated with castration as "unmanning" the victim, and classed with wounds that cause major penetrations of the body, strongly suggesting that the term refers to rape or forced anal sex such as was inflicted on a defeated combatant (Sørenson 68). For the Vikings, the rape of defeated male enemies was obligatory.

In the eddic Lokasenna, Odin taunts Loki for bearing children for eight winters, being a woman, and milking cows. Loki, on his part, taunts Odin–the master of seiðr–for wearing women's clothing while making prophecies.

Odin: "Thou winters eight wast the earth beneath milking the cows as a maid, and there gavest birth to a brood: were these womanish ways, I ween."

>>731560

>>731627

Loki: "But thou, say they, on Sáms Isle [Samsø] once beat (the magic drum?) like a Vœlva: in vitki's shape through the worlds didst fare: in woman's wise, I ween." (Lokasenna: 23-24)

The passage in the Ynglingasaga which describes Odin’s seiðr skills (learned from the Vanir) ends with the following:

"But the use of this magic [seiðr] is accompanied by so great a degree of effemination [ergi] that men were of the opinion that they could not give themselves up to it without shame, so that it was to the priestesses that it was taught." (Ynglingasaga: 7)

The term used in Ynglingasaga, "ergi" indicates the shamefulness of seiðr magic. In other contexts, this word and its derivatives are usually translated as lust or lewdness, specifically in the sense of sexual receptiveness. Another translation might be "desirous of penetration." The term seems, in fact, to be a close analogue of the Greek "eromenos."

Men used the word as an insult, accusing a foe of having submitted sexually like a woman. It is also used to describe Freyja who taught Odin the seiðr. What Loki actually accuses Odin of is not being merely "womanish," as it is usually translated, but of "args athal"–acting in a "sexually passive or receptive way." The context makes it clear that what he was doing was working women's sex magic.

There is evidence that transexuality or crossdressing had a recognized place in the religion of the barbarian period. Tacitus tells us that the Naharvali, a Suevian tribe, possessed a grove of "… immemorial sanctity. A priest in female attire (ornatus mulieribus) had the charge of it." In this grove twin deities called the Alcis and identified with Castor and Pollux were worshipped. There's also the well-known passage from by Saxo Grammaticus, in his "Gesta Danorum," describing how Starkad, having lived for some years with the Swedish royal family, returns to Denmark "for, living at Uppsala in the period of sacrifices, he had become disgusted with the womanish body movements, the clatter of actors on the stage, and the soft tinkling of bells." (History of the Danes VI:154).

Additionally, some of the Norse gods were capable of changing sex at will, for example Loki frequently disguised himself as a woman as previously mentioned. In one myth, he turned himself into a mare and after having sex with the stallion Svaðilfari, he gave birth to a foal which became Odin's eight-legged steed Sleipnir. This might also explain the Germanic völkisch movement's weltanschauung of hermaphrodites as "divine beings" as exemplified in Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels' "Theozoology" which along with a few other syncretic doctrines sparked the modern neo-völkisch Odinist / Odalist / Ásatrú movement.

tl,dr: pagans are faggots and so are you

Also, once more

>reddit spacing

>>731627

>non jewish sources

>>731630

>that men were of the opinion that they could not give themselves up to it without shame

>construction of homosexuality by Greenberg again

Off to a great start.

Anyway, I archived this thread, look forward to your complete and utter obliteration in the future, you disingenius piece of shit.

>>731781

>>731784

>>731803

>Posting in 3s

Well look who it is.

>>731120

>That God of yours you say is the creator of all reality was probably a normy giant.

>He has to be for me to justify worshiping the typical savage's god based on primitive people's lack of understanding of lightning.

Kek, Imagine being a bloke spending this much time begging for attention on a religious forum he he doesn't even agree with and being this much of a imbecilic hoot.

>>731895

(all of this response, just for me...)

>If you have any problem with this.

>If you want to say anything about this.

Dude, you're the one complaining to us here. If You have a a problem with us or actually have faith in what you believe, then go start and/or attend a mass/shrine/temple/etc of your faith.

A lot about being a Christian is finding a denomination that works for you and helping them grow through helping other communities. You probably should be spending your time helping your community rather than wasting your time complaining to Christians who're indebted enough to their faith that'll they'll go out of their way here to debate over minute denominational differences.