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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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68a694  No.730725

Are orthodox feminists like catholics ?

Are everyday orthodox/orthodox authorities feminists ?

I know there is the "new feminism" in catholicism with saint edith stein, popes like John XXIII, Paul VI,… calling for gender equality like in education and access to the same jobs. There is also the new "doctor of the Church" instaured by (now saint) Paul VI (breaking 1 tim 2:12 and Corinthians 14:33–35). So the superiority of the man is not defended, instead the discourse is clearly in favor of equality in everything.

Are orthodox pozzed like catholics ?

sad right now.

7bbeb3  No.730963

If Constantine V didn't turn it into Iconoclasty, no tyrant will pervert it. And they ccan't because Holy Tradition is above and beyond hierarchy. But I worry for the future because the modernists are destroying language itself. There is no argument for Tradition with the modernists because they define it as they see fit. This is a problem of the modern human soul itself before it is a "authority" question as you put it. There is no escape until (or if) relativism itself is destroyed and again becomes absurd to the Laity.


4709ac  No.731241

>There is also the new "doctor of the Church" instaured by (now saint) Paul VI (breaking 1 tim 2:12 and Corinthians 14:33–35).

How come you tigger? There always were female theologians.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_of_Ávila

This woman surpasses all of us in dignity and intelligence. Of course she deserves the title.

Nowhere it is said the that title could be only applied to men only.

Most women aren't smart but we must appreciate one when we find her.

>So the superiority of the man is not defended,

St. Paul says man and woman are equal in dignity. What he says is that woman should obey to they're husbands, and that's what the church continues to teach, telling women there are gender roles and that theirs is different than men's.

Take your shit to /pol/ if saying you are thinking of becoming ortho just because we don't make women our slaves.

Either you're a Catholic or orthodox or even a protestant because you believe in the truths revealed by that denomination or if you are trying to join a church that lines up with you political ideals you're on a free fall to hell.


38c623  No.731243


68a694  No.731418

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>>731241

Ahah.

The new "doctors of the Church" I talked about are the recent females that have been granted the title of "doctors of the Church". Do you know that catholic title Mr. catholic ? The first women who received this title is st teresa of avila, so I certainly know her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_the_Church

Problem is the fact the Church acted with caution back then, and didn't made women doctor of the Church. Why ? because :

>"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet." 1 tim 2:12

Of course there can be exceptions of women being good theologians, but exceptions are now shown as normals, but the path of philosophy is masculine and the catholic Church has forgotten that. All traditions are clear on that, and the christian one of course too.

>GREGORY THE GREAT : “Woman is slow in understanding and her unstable and naive mind renders her by way of natural weakness to the necessity of a strong hand in her husband. Her ‘use’ is two fold; animal sex and motherhood.”

Gregory the Great, in P.G. 59, 268.

>SAINT THOMAS AQUINAS : "But man is yet further ordered to a still nobler vital action, and that is intellectual operation." Summa theologiae, I, Qu 92, Art 1, responsa

>SAINT JOHN CHRYSOSTOM : "The woman taught once, and ruined all. On this account therefore he saith, let her not teach. But what is it to other women, that she suffered this? It certainly concerns them; for the sex is weak and fickle, and he is speaking of the sex collectively." (1 Timothy, Homily 9).

>"were great characters, great women and admirable…. Yet did they in no case outstrip the men, but occupied the second rank" (Epistle to the Ephesians, Homily 13)

I won't post every father of the church on this, it would be too long.

The catholic church promoted 36 saints to the title of doctor of the Church, strangely no one where women until 1970 with Paul VI, known for his egalitarian views. Since then, there have been 3 other women in the list (out of 5 new doctors). Understand it all goes with the new narrative dating from like saint John XXIII of the equality of the genders. But the genders are not equals.

What do saint Paul say :

>1 Corinthians 7-10 : "A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason a woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head, because of the angels."

See the difference ? Understand why we say "Father" or "Son" when we talk about God ? Because it is the best analogy we have, because men reflect better God.

Fathers of the Church all said this. Men is the image of God and women the glory of men, but IN THEIR RESPECTIVE ROLE coming from this immense inequality, they will find equality in Christ. Gender role inequality being a corrective, a just punishment.

> telling women there are gender roles and that theirs is different than men's.

The catholic Church comes with the time in regard of gender egalitarianism :

The Vatican II Pastoral Constitution “The Church in the Modem World" stated, "With respect to the fundamental rights of the person, every type of discrimination, whether social or cultural, whether based on sex, race, color, social condition, language or religion, is to be overcome and eradicated as contrary to God's intent" (No. 29).

Yet women have always been discriminated in all traditional countries, in all christian countries. And Fathers of the church defended this distinction of gender role.

>Take your shit to /pol/ if saying you are thinking of becoming ortho just because we don't make women our slaves.

I just want to become orthodox because it seems they better defend the holy Tradition and don't fall for the world.


68a694  No.731420

>>731418

For the Vatican II quote, fundamental rights include practically everything in the Church language. Access to the same jobs and the same education is included. So men are not allowed to discriminate on these. That's clearly feminist.


b6fde8  No.731426

>>731241

This again

Polite sage


68a694  No.731620

>>731426

You play the ostrich to the Tradition, that's precisely what I reproach to modern catholicism.




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