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We are saved by grace and faith alone, and not by actions nor works. All fall short of the kingdom of God (every man, woman, and child has sinned before except for Christ, who was God) and cannot be redeemed through any work. The blood of the slain Christ shelters all from sin.

So basically, 1 is correct, 2 is gnostic crap. Those who do not have faith in the factual event of the resurrection will surely perish eternally.

As “bad” as it sounds (it’s not bad, it’s just because most people believe in gnostic god), the “bad” Christian is favored over the “good” non Christian.

>>730356

What that tells me is that I must know fear of God or I do not go to Heaven. I can say I am scared now, though not of

Him, but in my inability to believe in Him.

>>730361

are you reprobate? If not, you have every ability to believe

Read Matthew 18 as it pertains to faith in children, and having faith "like a child", even "little children"

I'm sure you have more intellectual capacity than a 6 year old. The gospel is really simple, believe in Jesus!

Quoting the Catechism of the Catholic Church, faith is: "a personal adherence of the whole man to God who reveals himself. It involves an assent of the intellect and will to the self-revelation God has made through his deeds and words." (CCC 176)

Accordingly, when we use the word faith in this way, we are talking about more than just an awareness of God or an acceptance that God is real. For faith is a giving of one’s self to God, assenting in both “intellect and will” to what God has revealed.

>>730348

Act as if Christian morality is real, even if you do not believe in God.

Basically, yes.

Look at the prophesies and historical evidence for Christ's resurrection. Combine that with the philosophical and scientific proofs of God, and you have 100% proof Christianity is true.

>>730356

How much faith do you need to be saved? There are people who believe that it could be possible, maybe that Christ died for us, bit they still live pagan lives and worship their pagan God's, and there are people who are absolutely convinced with all their hearts and minds that Christ is Lord, and live holy lives marked by good works. Both have faith, but one has very little, and one has a lot. And people usually have a level of faith in between those two extremes.

So where is the threshold of faith that you need to be saved? Is the pagan's salvation just as assured as the holy man's salvation? Or is there a line between those extremes?

Can I just say "yeah. God may exist. Jesus may be his son. My sins may be forgiven." And go on with my life, or does their have to be an intense emotional and intellectual exertion to be saved? And exertion that needs to be constantly maintained and guarded?

>>730400

This is kind of a "How much hay do you need to make a haystack" question.

Even if 2 was correct, how good do you think you'd have to be to get rewarded with eternal paradise? It's not a "well, I didn't kill or rape anyone and I gave to charity once" situation or 51% good situation, it would be a full time devoted every moment of your life to others perfect score type situation.

I'll take number 1.

>>730401

Not really. Because what a stack is isn't hardly defined.

But salvation is well defined. You are in heaven or you are in hell.

There is no spectrum with salvation at one end and damnation at the other. Its binary. So it stands to reason that there is a threshold that needs to be crossed

>>730348

Sorry to ask but how are you unable to believe in God 100% because of your autism? Because belief is like saying statement A is true or false. There is no between. Same thing for the existence of God either He exist or not.

BTW you can't "buy" your own way to heaven by your own works. Because compared to your sins, your works are "filthy rags" (Isaish 64:6). And God sent Christ to die for our sins because no one can go to heaven on his own. If one can go to heaven on his own then that means Christ died for nothing.

If you want physical evidence for the existence of Jesus, look for Roman historians. One of those evidence is The book Annals book 15 chapter 44.

Also if you want biblical sources on the existence of God then study His prophecies. They're there partly to validate His existence and show us that He is truly God

>>730400

Look up the parable of the sower and the seed & the wheat and the tares(Matthew 13)

Also if you believe that Christ died for us and worship Him, how can you also serve the pagan gods? For no one man can have two masters

Well I believe in OSAS, so I'm going to save as long as you accepted Christ as Lord and Savior you're going to heaven. But some anons here might disagree

>>730348

To achieve salvation, you must truly believe that Jesus is God and that He died and rose again for us. Not to be rude, but I see you’re a skeptic. Try and look up the skeptic’s prayer online and pray it to God to help your faith. By faith alone is one saved; your actions can’t get you into heaven, although you should act kindly to others.

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>>730372

I am not sure what reprobate means in regards to this discussion, but I do not believe so.

>>730437

I fully believe that Jesus existed and performed the deeds described in the bible. However, the reason that I have trouble believing that God exists, or at least cannot comprehend so easily, is that He is not in front of me the same way that another human being can be. I can hug a family member, but not so much with God. But, as I said, I 100% believe Jesus existed and did what was described.

>>730458

Do you confess with your mouth and heart that the Lord Jesus Christ is your Saviour?

>>730465

When? Like right now? I can and I would believe it.

>>730488

I should mention, I was baptized already, and I do state (nowadays) that I'm Christian. It just popped into my head that the Holy Trinity, although they're all one, I believe in Jesus moreso than the Father and the Holy Spirit. It made me think about believing in one means you believe in the whole, or if I misunderstand the concept of the holy trinity.

>1. You can only go to Heaven if you believe in God.

/thread.

If you deny him, He will deny you too.

>>731244

Isn't there a passage in the bible that states that if a non-Chrstian offered a Christian water, they would receive His gift? I took that to mean 'even if you aren't Christian, if you behave as a Christian, you'll be treated as a Christian.'

>>730361

>>730495

Developing an understanding, and a more complete belief of God, is the same as getting to know any other person. It doesn't happen overnight, you have to spend time getting to know Him - pray and read your Bible, and spend time with other Christians.

You said that you have an inability to believe in Him, however you demonstrated that this isn't true when you said that your inability to believe scares you. If you were truly unable to believe then you wouldn't feel that fear, and you wouldn't be here asking the questions that you're asking. Your belief is developing, and your understanding of things like the Trinity will develop as you mature in your faith - there isn't an on/off switch that makes you go from atheist to devout Christian in a split second, so don't worry about not having a full understanding of everything right away. Things will be revealed to you as you go along and grow in your faith. Continue to pray for understanding

>>731251

Let me phrase it in another way:

Say I feel like I believe He is real. Let's say I am using my soul to believe in Him. Then I have my brain saying 'well, from what you've learned throughout your life, it doesn't make sense.' It casts doubt. It's like my souls says one thing and my brain says something else. If they're separate, I would hope they can achieve reconciliation, but if they are the same, I feel like I'm damned to never move past that. Basically, how much of what I believe do I really believe, or is it only out of fear due to my autism causing me to over-analyze and overthink things?

>>731263

Yeah I get what you're saying. It's normal to be unsure at the start, and everyone will have doubts, some even feel doubt when they've been believers for a long time. Based on what you've learned in your life, some things won't make sense right now. But remember that you're still learning, you're always learning throughout your life. You might feel like you'll never move past that stage, but you will move past it if you persevere. Like I said before - read, pray and spend time with other Christians. If knowledge of God is something that is interesting or important to you, then you'll naturally seek it out and things will eventually fall into place.

It's easy

John 3:36

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

If you believe in Jesus alone as your saviour, then uou go to Heaven. If you don't believe then you burn

>>731513

I see there is a movie for The Case for Christ. Would it be acceptable to watch that?

>>731532

Movie is good. Thought it is more about Lee Strobel's journey from Atheist to Christian. Being a movie it can't pack all the information you'll find in his book

>>731846

Well, lust is odd. I only masturbated to drawings and the written word, so I did not look at physical females. The things I looked at were not illegal or required much effort to reach. It had no victims, so to speak. I liked what I saw, and heck, in some ways it was capable of making one feel like improving. I rarely felt guilt for what I was looking at, but felt more guilt at masturbation controlling my life in some ways.

Regarding Jesus, isn't there the cloth with his imprint on it? I have seen some screencaps posted on this very board that had rather detailed analysis about some historical and geographical aspects of the New Testament.