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>>727678

Schitzophrenia may sometimes be the result of demon possession, but it is dumb to think that there is no medical aspect to the condition. Demonic forces cause all kinds of sickness, but they may do it by driving you into a place you will contract that disease. Demons are not magic, they have to use method just like everybody else other than God.

I have a cousin who is schizophrenic, and he started showing symptoms after he became addicted to methadone. Now did the methadone induce the disorder? Yes. Did demons tempt him to start using with knowledge that it would do this to him? Probably, its what he says happened anyway, and I have little reason to doubt him while he's on his meds.

Also sage for low effort b8.

>>727726

>Also sage for low effort b8.

Not baiting. Why would you think this is bait?

>>727678

Scizophrenia is a split of consciousness, which is often prompted by conflicting drives within the human psyche.

This world demands much from us, very often to surpress who and what we really are in order to fit in. There is a self projected outwards and a self that we truly are. These are not the same and often in conflict with one another.

When you observe scizophrenic people what you'll notice is that they are very stubborn and rigid in their beliefs and values. This rigidity causes their personality to fracture on the lines of their inner conflicts.

You don't often see more flexible people developing schizonphrenia, because they can develop an understanding of their conflicting desires and manage to integrate and prioritize them through self-reflection, and end up living a somewhat authentic life.

In fact, integration therapy is often very successful for schizophrenic people, who eventually end up merging their multiple personalities into a single integrated consciousness.

Yes, they are demons. This wouldn't have been a question a while ago, people knew what was going on. The whole "chemical imbalance" theory of (((mental illness))) has very little evidence to support it at all. There's actually a book where it's shown how it's a bunch of bunkum actually. All they noticed was if we give person drug A, they seem to have some side effects. So they just went with it. I mean say I'm really worried because my spouse beats me every other day and I feel terrible and someone is like oh smoke some meth you'll care about it less - yeah that might work, I might be more ambivalent to the situation cause I'm methed out. Then they say oh well you had an imbalance in your brain so you need to take this prescription of meth for your issues. This is what (((mental health))) is. Don't buy into it. Sure if you're in a very severe state, a bit of meds can help you but it is not treatment. Pray, fast, attend Mass, find a good spiritual director. The Lord will help you.

>>727887

Thank you. I’ve been suffering from mental illness for a long time and I think it is spiritual but my parents forced me to take meds anyway which I’ve now become dependent on. I’ve always been too afraid to seek spiritual help in person for the deep issues because it’s embarrassing and my parents really don’t want to hear about it.

Sometimes when I realize I'm alone in my consciousness,

>>727914

What did he mean by this?

>>727734

My apologies if you're sincere, but it just seemed a little too low effort to be genuine.

>>728003

My home is cuckchan. This kind of op is common there. All the long ones are usually shill pastas.

>>727678

Depends on what's meant by schizophrenia

>legitimate medical schizophrenia, no

>Hollywood type schizophrenia, yes

>>728021

>Hollywood type schizophrenia, yes

I'm not sure what this is. What's the difference?

>>728029

Schizophrenia breaks down into a few definable categories

>delusional

<literally detached from reality, think a guy who believes he's Napoleon

>paranoid

<everyone is out to get them, they're obsessed with cameras and eyes, usually they just hole up somewhere so no one can watch them

>catatonic

<literally just a catatonic body for hours, days, weeks, etc. at a time for no reason

None of these are even close to how a demoniac would be, unless it's the glamorized schizophrenia that you see if movies or tv. That, fits demonic possession to a T is most cases.

>>728041

Go back to /x/, or lose your heatheness ways.

>>728054

>heatheness

What are you talking about?

>>728037

These all fit demonic activity, but you have to realize that you can put yourself in states that let demons access you easier. Being detatched from reality is disassociation, which happens as well in deep states of prayer, but can occur other ways. Even in Cloud of the Unknowing, it's written that demons appear and try and attack you more when you're pursing that form of contemplation, since it's a lot easier for them to interact with you when you're not paying attention to your corporal senses. Some people find it easier naturally to enter such states, and without the strong guidance of the Church and God, you can easily be deceived by demons, who also commonly appear as holy or good things.

Paranoia is the same thing, demons can insert loads of different thoughts into your head, and if you are more susceptible, you run with it.

Demons interact with you on a daily basis, it's not just being a totally possessed person.

Most of the time the issue is purely psychological; the mind is fighting against itself due to some imbalance. Imagine your mind like a king's court full of lords and advisors. The role of the king is to listen to and accommodate everyone, but remain the sole authority; lords and advisors shouldn't be fighting or arguing in the royal presence, nor seeking to usurp the throne. Using this analogy, try to be the king of your own court. Pay attention to what happens in your mind, but weigh what comes via good sense.

Demonic possession is real but extremely rare. After all, why would a demon need to force chaos on someone if in their own state they are chaotic? If, per chance, you truly are possessed, it is worth seeking a priest (Catholic or Orthodox – either have the tradition to deal with these things) and explaining your predicament. They will probably tell you to seek a doctor before performing the rite of exorcism just in case, for exorcising healthy people is deeply inappropriate.

The psychological and spiritual are not mutually exclusive realities; both exist and both must be paid their due attention.

>>728198

This image displays a highly dysfunctional, immature sort of person in need of serious help.

t. an INTP

>>728208

How do I get help?

>>728230

Seems like a good idea. My illness seems to get bad when I stop doing healthy habits and routines like hygiene.

>>728198

Is there an INTJ version of this?

>>728405

Is there really a need? Isn’t an INTJ just an INTP that actually finishes things?

>>728407

Finishing things is not something I associate with myself.

>>727887

No one in the thread should listen to this. I took this advice once I realized I had mental problems and it almost destroyed my life. But ever since I started taking medicine it has vastly improved.

>>728607

I’ve been on meds for a long time. I’m still developing problems so I think there’s something else they can’t fix going on.

>>728607

>>728633

I think the use of meds in our society is completely over blown. I'm not dismissing your personal experiences, if it helps you then by all means do it.

But from my own life I have only fond set backs from taking meds. I HAD bad depression (life threatening at times, attempted suicide atleast twice) and anxiety. The only reason why I say I "had" was at a certain point in my life I decided to completely change things around to best improve myself. I started to see that the depression I faced came with my life situation and social status. Luckily for myself I had an oppertunity to leave the area I was in and took full advantage of it. I started eating healthier, exercising more, and motivating myself to extinguish the bad thoughts that would enter my mind.

It took a while to get to where I am and the change didnt happen over night, but it did work. I have no need for any sort of mental health medication and my positive outlook on life has increased 10 fold. There are times where i dip into the dark side, but I find it much MUCH easier to pull myself out with the skills I have learned.

I can understand the concept of being medically depressed, maybe theres a miswiring or something of the such, but the amount of "depression" in see in society is completely blown up by people being complete basement dwellers and subscribing to a social norm they are not ment for.

I posted a video that came into my life after I fixed myself up, but I feel it really brings to light my understanding of what depression is and gives reason to my suggestion of it being 'curable'

>>728706

Also I realized you might not be talking about the same problem I am talking about, but I feel it helps regardless. Whenever i see (((mental health))) talk I always assume it's about depression. Either way this is an excellent video.

>>728606

>can't really relate to this

whoopee

No, Man is not just a soul and neither is it just a body.

So all of Man's illnesses must have both a spiritual and material component to it.

>>727678

A friend of mine, professional psychologist, once told me that schizophrenia is not having imaginary friends. Schizophrenia is friends having imaginary you.

>>728896

>Schizophrenia is friends having imaginary you.

W-what does this mean. If I have a spirit I see claiming to be my guardian am I its imaginary friend and schizophrenic?

>>727678

Childhood imaginary friends are normal, but those that appear in adulthood are a sign of demonic oppression. Schizophrenia is also a sign of demonic oppression, and you should probably get an exorcism.

>>729250

I was refused exorcism.

>>729411

Probably because your problem is medical, not spiritual.

>>729412

My doctor changed my meds and this morning my head was buzzed and ringing so bad I had to lie down in agony for half an hour. Should I yell at my doctor?

>>729418

No you should *tell* your doctor.

>>731384

here is some info

http://www.schizophrenia.com/research/hereditygen.htm

keep it mind there are alot of good treatments today, so don't be too scared or upset