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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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debedc  No.726250

Where is that story when Abraham is saved by angels after being thrown into a furnace by Nimrod for smashing all his father's idols? I could've sworn I read it but now I'm looking back at Genesis and cannot find it. I've been looking for it all over the Bible but I can't find it. I swear though I read it! Am I just remembering something wrong? It has been a while since I've read the Bible through and I'm just getting back into going to church and stuff. I have read the whole Bible but as said it has been a while. Does anyone know the source of this story?

97d02f  No.726254

That's from the Quran lol


97d02f  No.726257

>>726254

I mean it might have been stolen by them from us but it's definitely not in the Bible. Could be a church tradition or jewish oral tradition idk


debedc  No.726261

>>726254

Oh shit really? Huh… Ok then.


97d02f  No.726272

>>726261

They most likely stole it from jewish oral traditions tho, like many stories in the quran. St. Paul cites at least one jewish oral tradition (rock following children of israel in the desert) so we know that at least some of those traditions are legit. so the story with the furnace may still be authentic.


f22def  No.726273

That just sounds like a mix-up of the story of Gedeon in Judges 6:25-3, and the story of the three youth in the furnace in Daniel 3:1-30, and, considering the deuterocanonicals/apocrypha, the story of Abraham destroying idols in Jubilees 12:12-14, elaborating on what is said in Genesis 11:28.


d6235e  No.726280

>>726250

As others said, it's in the Quran. However, the source is a Jewish Midrash named Genesis Rabbah that was written sometime in the 3rd-5th century. Basically, Midrash is Jewish commentary on a verse in the Bible, using a mix of other Bible verses, Jewish oral tradition, Jewish law, and a bunch of other stuff. Here's the passage in the Genesis Rabbah, which is commentary on Genesis 11:28, "And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees."

>Terah took Abraham and gave him over to Nimrod. Nimrod said to him: Let us worship the fire! Abraham said to him: Should we not then worship water, which extinguishes fire? Nimrod said to him: Then, let us worship the water! Abraham said to him: Should we not then worship the clouds, which carry the water? Nimrod said to him: Then, let us worship the cloud! Abraham said to him: If so, Should we not then worship the wind, which scatters the clouds? Nimrod said to him: Then, let us worship the wind! Abraham said to him: Should we not then worship the human, who withstands the wind? Nimrod said to him: You are merely piling words; we should bow to none other than the fire. I shall therefore cast you in it, and let your God to whom you bow come and save you from it!

>Haran (Abraham’s brother) was standing there. He said to himself: what shall I do? If Abraham wins, I shall say: “I am of Abraham’s (followers),” if Nimrod wins I shall say, “I am of Nimrod’s (followers).” When Abraham went into the furnace and survived, Haran was asked: “Whose follower are you?” and he answered: “I am Abraham’s!” So, they took him and threw him into the furnace, and his innards were burned and he died and predeceased Terah, his father. This is the meaning of the verse (Gen 11:28), “And Haran died in the lifetime of his father Terah.”

The Quran copies this story, but rewrites it "We" in this story is Allah

>"And We had certainly given Abraham his sound judgement before, and We were of him well-knowing when he said to his father and his people, 'What are these statues to which you are devoted?' They said, 'We found our fathers worshippers of them.' He said, 'You were certainly, you and your fathers, in manifest error.' They said, 'Have you come to us with truth, or are you of those who jest?' He said, 'No, rather, your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth who created them, and I, to that, am of those who testify. And by Allah, I will surely plan against your idols after you have turned and gone away.' So he made them into fragments, except a large one among them, that they might return to it and question. They said, 'Who has done this to our gods? Indeed, he is of the wrongdoers.' They said, 'We heard a young man mention them who is called Abraham.' They said, 'Then bring him before the eyes of the people that they may testify.' They said, 'Have you done this to our gods, O Abraham?' He said, 'Rather, this - the largest of them - did it, so ask them, if they should be able to speak.' So they returned to blaming themselves and said to each other, 'Indeed, you are the wrongdoers.' Then they reversed themselves, saying, 'You have already known that these do not speak!' He said, 'Then do you worship instead of Allah that which does not benefit you at all or harm you? Uff to you and to what you worship instead of Allah. Then will you not use reason?' They said, 'Burn him and support your gods - if you are to act.' Allah said, 'O fire, be coolness and safety upon Abraham.' And they intended for him harm, but We made them the greatest losers. And We delivered him and Lot to the land which We had blessed for the worlds," (Surah 21:51-71)


2cbd14  No.726310

>>726250

I know what you're talking about too, there was a Veggie Tales episode about it.


df798c  No.726313

>>726250

I read it in a book about rabbinical traditions. It's a jewish tale, it's not in the Bible.

If it's also in the Quran, Muhammad took it from the oral tradition


a4539f  No.726318

>>726254

>>726257

>>726272

>>726280

>>726313

And when Our verses are recited to them, they say, "We have heard these stories before. If we willed, we could compose the like of it. They, are nothing but legends of former peoples.'

Qur'an 8:31


97d02f  No.726320

>>726318

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:8


ef975e  No.726441

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>>726318

Yeah haha momo stole loads of stuff from Jewish legends. The funniest thing is that the oh so typical Mohammedan retort when you criticize Momo in general is that

"Oh really? Funny you say that, because during Mohammed (pbmwx 3.0 HD 4k)'s time, even his worst enemies would say that he is truthful and honest"

And i'd be like hahaha really? Even in your own Quran it states that during his time people were accusing him of being a plagiarist.

*Crickets


917a13  No.726664

>>726661

2/7 apply yourself


eddfbf  No.726666

>>726661

Lmao remember when you were banned from /islam/ for claiming to be a prophet?


d6235e  No.726669

>>726661

Okay, we actually were able to find the passage from the Quran and the passage from the Mideash it is plagiarized from. Could you possibly post the passage from Greek philosophy that Paul plagiarized from, and then the passage of Paul? Remember it needs to be something that isn’t found in the rest of the Bible


917a13  No.726672

>>726665

How can i be a crusader when i have never been on a crusade :^)


97d02f  No.726676

>>726672

This expression indicates a saracen's confusion and lack of understanding. When confronted with something he cannot understand or respond to, saracens mumble "muh crusaders" or "muh Paul mothawinnie the pooha". This is usually followed by guttural sounds and detonation of explosive vests.


8942a2  No.726680

>>726250

You’re thinking of Daniel 3 but you have a really strange recollection of it.


97d02f  No.726682

>>726679

*explodes*


9b2b66  No.726754

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>>726250

>when Abraham is saved by angels after being thrown into a furnace by Nimrod for smashing all his father's idols?

#shit-Christians-believe-that's-not-in-the-Bible

We could make a parallel book on this shit

eg; God helps those who help themselves

Yeah, thanks Franklin.


9b2b66  No.726755


d60834  No.726983

Sounds like the book of Jasher, which is a Jewish text.




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