/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

Jail? No…maybe to a mine, breaking rocks and getting lectured why the sin they committed is among the worst. If you are homosexual and accept that as a challenge and live a chaste life, not causing scandal, praying and living a Christian existence, you are my brother in Christ.

>>725412

Nope.

>Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

Christians are told by God to outnumber them:

>And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

>>725413

When it comes to choosing between faith and lust (desires of the flesh) you are to choose one. Stop perverting the gospel. You cannot be gay and Christian, it is literally one or the other.

Thing is, no Christian is gonna throw you off a building or lock you up in a jail cell for being homosexual.

>A man cannot serve two masters.

No, nobody should be improsoned on the basis of being sinners alone, but when that infringes upon this rights of innocent parties you should. It’s why you can legally jerk off and harm yourself but you can’t go rape someone

Leviticus says to execute them, so let's do that

>>725419

>I choose my lust… I'm weak and a slave to my desires, . I'm sorry.

>I'm sorry

…ok

>At least I vote right wing and I'm against abortion, that's something right??

I guess. I mean it's something. Whatever that means.

>but there are christians who think differently…

Yea. And the ones who want to murder someone or throw them in jail for being homosexual are not Christians.

>>725417

Lets do what Jesus says instead.

>Love thy neighbor as thyself

>gay thread

>anime reaction picture

I say it's jail

>>725412

Of course not.

Those gays who publicly pronounce their "lifestyle" need to be sentenced for treason.

Those who are accidentally found out need to be barred from work in official positions of the Church and the state.

Remember kids;

Authoritarianism gives you a free kingdom, while totalitarianism gives you tyrannical fascism.

>>725424

Read the New Testament.

Jesus paid all those debts. Now to rid the earth of evil you go to Christ himself. He paid the price of homosexuality/all sin (the price of death) through his death (by being the sacrfice) and ressurection (born again as a new person).

He didn't abloish the Laws, he fullfilled them all.

Now your righteousness is by faith, not works.

Read the New Testament then comeback and tell us what the Old Testament says to do.

Christianity is a religion of Faith, not Law.

>>725423

You're absolutely wrong if you think love thy neighbor and Leviticus are contradictory. In fact, the verse "love thy neighbor" is found in Leviticus right before the the command to execute faggots. God obviously doesn't think they are contradictory if one is said right before the other.

>>725429

>Jesus came to usher in a new age of total anarchy

Read Romans 13 and tell me how you can square it with your no punishment for crime philosophy.

>>725430

The purpose of the Law is to expose the sins of mankind. The purpose of Christ is to fullfill the Law becuase no human can completely fullfill the Law like God requires.

Jesus comes, fullfills the Law, pleases God. Now all mankinds debts to God are paid through Jesus Christ. But you must have Faith and believe that Christ is God in the flesh and that he has paid your debt.

It isn't a one time thing either. It's a daily thing. Having faith and believing in Jesus Christ, who he is and what he has done for humanity, day by day. You fight against unbelief, fear, the impulsive nature of your flesh (animal nature), cowardice, etc. daily, for the rest of your life.

>For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Not by works but by Faith

Christianity is a religion of Faith, not Law.

>>725429

>>725433

This sounds more like hippyboomerism than traditional Christianity. But it sounds a lot like modern Christianity because it's basically become a hippyboomer cult.

>>725431

I never said no punishment for crime.

There absolutely must be punishment for crime.

Jesus didn't come to usher in a new age of totalitarianism either.

>>725434

Wth are you talking about? That is the core of Christianity and always has been.

>>725433

>The purpose of the Law is to expose the sins of mankind

Wrong, the purpose of the Law is to create order and protect the innocent from the damage criminals want to cause. You're talking about salvation while I'm talking about having an orderly and safe society that promotes goodness.

>>725436

Then a government can punish the sodomite and administer the death penalty which is in the purview of romans 13.

>>725412

Of course not OP, don't be silly. I think fags should get the death penalty

>>725412

Gays should find God and repent

>>725436

>Jesus didn't come to usher in a new age of totalitarianism either

Ironically he did. He said that he will rule with a rod of iron when he returns.

>>725423

>preventing someone from ravaging society isn't a mercy

lol ok bud

>>725419

>At least I vote right wing and I'm against abortion, that's something right??

No, no it's not. You're a winnie the pooh sex pervert cumfiend orgasm addict you subhuman, you're more treacherous than a Jew because you would murder your own mother if it meant a better orgasm, and you represent an existential threat to civilization.

>>725429

>>725433

Read Luther's Against the Antinomians, and stop justifying sin

>>725441

They already knew of God, but they rejected Him, so God gave them over to a reprobate mind.

>>725447

>implying they know

If they knew, they wouldn't be into sodomy and sin

no of course not! Jail is full of gay people they should probably be executed so that they don't commit anymore sodomy!

:^)

>>725439

…the Law does both, keep order and exposes you to your sinfullness.

Keeping order is a given. It's exposing your sinfulness (the fact you need to have Laws in order to know that something is good or evil) that gets overlooked.

You need the Law to know that stealing is wrong. The fact that you don't know that it's wrong is the proof of your sinfulness.

It's the knowledge of good and evil. And it's the Law that teaches you what is good and what is evil. But as a Christian you do not live by the Law you live by Faith in Christ Jesus.

>the government can do whatever it wants

Well no shit. It's going to do what it wants regardless of what the Bible says.

>>725446

I'm not justifying sin.

Only God is holy. All are sinners. Even Christians, for none are without sin.

Everyone is born into it.

I'm (and it is very clear) talking about the salvation of Jesus Christ.

You must die everyday to sin. It is a daily battle that can only be won with and through Jesus Christ.

Are you guys new?

>keeping gays alive

heh

>>725450

>For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

>>725457

>Implying this is referring only to sodomites

Let's just kill everyone

>>725453

>You need the Law to know that stealing is wrong

No you don't. Telling us right and wrong is not how the law exposes our sin. It exposes our sin by exposing us as wicked sinners. Because the law condemns us all as evil sinners, it shows us our need for Christ, because without a surrogate lawkeeper, we are condemned by the law.

>It's going to do what it wants regardless of what the Bible says.

What does the bible say about sodomy?

>>725454

You absolutely are justifying sin because you're reproving us for preaching the law, saying "Christianity is a religion of faith". This is exactly what the old Antinomians did. Christianity is just as much a religion of law under the new law as it was a religion of faith under the old.

>>725459

You're moving the goalposts

>>725415

>You cannot be gay and Christian

indeed; that why I said "homosexual" and not "gay". Like someone who has an inclination to heavy drinking stays away from alcohol, so someone who has an inclination for homosexual attraction must stay away from anything which would make him stray from God's commandments. Having an inclination is not a sin, but a "being prone to" a sin, and if God allows that challenge in our life He also gives us the helps we need to win over the temptation and our weaknesses.

t. a guy who suffers from SSA

No of course not. They should be put to death

>>725461

Anon, nowhere in the bible is written "Execute X sinner because of Y sin".

Can you stop trying to justify your lust for blood?

>>725468

Genesis 9:6

Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Of course not. Sending them to prison would be terrible all around. You would basically be subsidizing their degenerate "life"style since they would be surrounded by other homosexuals. And because they carry so many diseases, they would need their own special prisons away from other criminals, costing citizens even more. Not to mention, it would only push them even further away from God.

I'm not advocating killing them, but imprisonment isn't a good solution.

I'm Atheist and gays should be put to death

Putting someone to death before they can repent is not doing the work of the Lord, it’s doing the work of the devil. Would you want to be killed before apologizing to God? Let that sink in your mind before advocating the execution of sinners.

>>725460

I'm not justifying sin. And I am reproving no one. I'm saying you can't keep the law. In order to kill a homosexual to keep that law without breaking the law against committing murder you would need to be a perfect being… You would need to be God. Is anyone here God? You cannot kill a homosexual without it being murder becuase you are not God.

It's by faith that you are gradually redeemed (from glory to glory), not by works.

Christ did not abolish the law (meaning it still stands) but fullfilled it: Meaning your salavtion comes through faith in his works not by your works according to the Law. The act of keeping the Law will not "get you into heaven" becuase you can't keep the law; you break it everyday.

>For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

You no longer live under the Law but under Christ Jesus.

>For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God.

You adhere to Christ in order to keep the law becuase he is the only one who has never broken a law.

And if you think I'm saying it's ok to sin, I'm not.

>What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!

So when I say "Christianity is a religion of faith" I am not saying "The Laws have been abolished". I am not preaching lawlessness. Are you acussing me according to your desires?

>>725429

>He didn't abloish the Laws, he fullfilled them all.

>“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

The law still satnds but your salvation is through the works of Jesus Christ, not your own.

What good is it to preach the Law without preaching the saving grace of Jesus Christ?

>>725476

Of course you would, because for you death is just an empty void. Though your mind will change when you’re swimming in fire with others who failed to repent before death. Personally anon, I hope your mind changes before it comes to that.

>>725445

>>725440

>>725446

>>725460

>>725461

You got some serious issues.

>>725460

I didn't see the first (you)

>No you don't. Telling us right and wrong is not how the law exposes our sin. It exposes our sin by exposing us as wicked sinners. Because the law condemns us all as evil sinners, it shows us our need for Christ, because without a surrogate lawkeeper, we are condemned by the law.

>It exposes our sin by exposing us as wicked sinners.

No shit! That's exactly what I said:

>the fact [that] you need to have Laws in order to know that something is good or evil

i.e. Without the Law you wouldn't know what sin is and you wouldn't know you were a sinner.

>>725412

Everyone here is crazy, run as far away as you can.

>>725485

>said the mental patient to the psychiatrist

>>725477

If we take the bible as a whole into account, it suggests that people are capable of committing heinous crimes that revoke their right to life and may as a consequence of their own actions prevent them from being saved. Salvation was possible even in the times of Genesis so you'll have to explain why God is telling man to do "the work of the devil" in Genesis 9:6. Also explain Leviticus and Romans 13, since God gives the rulers the right to execute his wrath on evildoers through the sword and that doesn't seem to jibe with your personal philosophy.

https://carm.org/should-homosexuals-be-put-to-death

https://www.gotquestions.org/homosexuality-death-penalty.html

>>725468

Leviticus is in the bible

Also, still moving the goalposts. The other anon quoted Romans 1 to prove they know God and they know what they're doing is wrong, not that they destroy to die.

>>725479

>In order to kill a homosexual to keep that law without breaking the law against committing murder you would need to be a perfect being

No, you would need to be a magistrate. Romans 13, God has established the rulers to keep justice on earth.

>You would need to be God. Is anyone here God? You cannot kill a homosexual without it being murder becuase you are not God.

Why didn't God follow your logic when He commanded men to execute sodomites for their crime against nature and nature's God?

>It's by faith that you are gradually redeemed (from glory to glory), not by works.

>Christ did not abolish the law (meaning it still stands) but fullfilled it: Meaning your salavtion comes through faith in his works not by your works according to the Law. The act of keeping the Law will not "get you into heaven" becuase you can't keep the law; you break it everyday.

Nobody in this thread is talking about salvation but you. But this does not mean your argument is irrelevant. No, I think you keep bringing this up to act as a cloak for your objection to what even you recognize we are actually talking about. You're condemning our preaching of the law because you think the gospel means the law is abolished and these abominations are no longer to receive the due recompense for their error. This is why you are justifying sin, because you are separating the law without which there is no repentance away from the gospel and defending unrepentant sinners from the punishment they deserve. The law is in full effect, and even the saints are required to keep it, because it is the emblem of righteousness.

>You no longer live under the Law but under Christ Jesus.

>You adhere to Christ in order to keep the law becuase he is the only one who has never broken a law.

This might be relevant if sodomites had any repentance in their hearts.

>So when I say "Christianity is a religion of faith" I am not saying "The Laws have been abolished". I am not preaching lawlessness.

Then why are you preaching it in opposition to preaching of the law? When I made a brief comment on the gospel, it was in harmony with your gospel, yet you keep going on. If it were really as you claim, you would be clearly tilting at windmills.

>What good is it to preach the Law without preaching the saving grace of Jesus Christ?

This thread is not about bringing sodomites to repentance, it's about what punishment they deserve.

>>725482

Of course I do, because it's not the abominations that have problems, it's those who take issue with them. People who find anus worthy of worship are clearly well adjusted.

>>725484

Again, you don't need the law to know something is evil. You need it to know something is sin (crime). They know by nature it's evil, they know it's an abomination, and they even know they deserve to die for it (and in this they revel), but without revelation they would not know it is sin.

>>725493

Correction: God gives rulers the duty to execute His wrath.

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>>725515

>destroy

deserve*

>>725515

Anon you REALLY need to read the New Testament

Honestly I think a step further is better, and if needed go even beyond that. Work camps would be better, essentially slavery, except they work to produce things to benefit everyone.

>>725524

>Jesus 3:16 "Don't judge"

>>725416

Homosexuals DO harm others though. They abuse children and corrupt society. I'm not saying they should be stoned or anything but suggesting that homosexuality victimizes only the practicer is to put blinders on.

>>725419

You cannot apologize for something you fully intend to continue doing.

Do you think you're fooling God?

>>725515

What denomination of Christianity are you?

Anime posters should go to jail

>>725423

but who is your neighbor

>>725605

Goon detected.

>>725412

Of course not. That's only going to reinforce their state of mind.

>gays should go to jail

>You seriously don't unironically support this, right??

Of course not, I support the death penalty for sodomites. Just sending them to jail is cuck tier.

>>725541

He's doing it on purpose

>>725412

Just castrate them, that way they won't have any sexual urges and will not be tempted to break God's law.

>>725697

You realize many protestant denominations heave gay clergy and sanction gay weddings at this point, right?

Here's a list. Most Baptists are on it, The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is not.

List_of_Christian_denominations_affirming_LGBT

>>725706

Link

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_affirming_LGBT

>>725706

Modern day Protestantism is not even christianity at this point, it's liberalised itself out of existence.

>>725419

If you give up your sins you will experience a million+ times more joy than if you had chose to continue doing those things. It is something greater than anyone can imagine. No one without the Holy Spirit can successfully resist sin, but if you believe that Jesus Christ is your savior and sincerely want to turn away from sin God will give you it so you can have eternal life in Heaven.

I know I probably can't convince you, but just a thought.

>>725412

I do. And if they refuse to renounce their sodomite ways they should be executed.

Also

>Gay thread

>Anime pic

>>725716

>The tiny fraction of American Orthodox are representative of all Orthodox Christianity

Though it does point out the intriguing disparity in which European Protestantism is barreling towards greater depths of liberalism with every passing day, while American Prots are holding to at least some aspects of proper doctrine (I'm not going to say all because the average American Protestant is a Zionist, and Southern Baptists are 15 million out of 300). The average Burger Prot is still Evangelical, right?

On the other hand, American Apostolics (and I'm one of them, so I mean this with every ounce of charity I can muster) tend towards capitulating to the Liberal zeitgeist. What an embarrassment.

Even France (I'm singling them out given their particular place in history, not at the expense of other Latins) has their resurgent branch of Latins, headed by -of all things- the old noble families that are still salty over the Revolution.

Though I'll admit to a level of ignorance on the matter, any Euro Protestants care to weigh in on the state of affairs? Every time I looked, all I could find was Sweden-tier horror shows and minuscule pockets of autistic Finns.

>>725540

It is already illegal to abuse children and corruption when denied a foothold punished itself. The issue there is that the Church has been subverted and lost the political clout to oust the corrupt.

>muh sodomites

>Anime

why should I even respond here?

>>725706

Protestants going for "catholics and lgbt" is always such a cringe.

Protestantism is liberalism essentially.

>>725857

>cis scum going for "gays and pedophilia" is always such a cringe

i 100% support this. i strongly believe sexual immorality is the #1 reason the world is so terrible

Homosexuals need help more than anything, if we cant fix them or they refuse to be fixed, they can be exiled.

Simply leaving them will just let them fester like a vile wound

>>725412

Hahaha, no. They should be executed.