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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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6b3f9f  No.723871

My grandfather is dying and is in grave pain. Unable to walk and being barely able to lift his arms, he begged me to get him euthanized. He wants out of the pain.

Bros, what should I do?

W

abf9d3  No.723874

Thou shalt not murder


5d926b  No.723881

>>723873

Not this.

>>723874

This

Have him get on as much pain relief as he can. Then ask if he can be taken off life support and let him come by death naturally.


29fc3e  No.723883

>>723871

>He wants out of the pain

Pain "produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint … "

But, nah, yeah, I get it … he's a nonnie.

This is the sane and merciful approach: >>723881 fwiw


41e2ee  No.724176

>>723871

Please respond if you're still here OP

Would he naturally die if not given medication or any sort of life support? If so then you could let him naturally die, but if you do anything outside of that its murder


b75bc3  No.724237

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>>724219

>why in the world would you consider prolonging his life via life support and medication?

That's what a doctor's entire purpose is: to maintain life

>Do you think lab animals that are dissected while still living are refining their hope?

Animals don't have immortal souls, so they naturally can't have hope. Of course, torturing animals is still ethically wrong on the grounds that they do experience pain and can suffer too.

>Make enough pain medicine available to him in order for him to end his own life and GET OUT OF THE WAY.

Despite what you may think, that still makes you responsible for his death. You knew he wanted to die and you made the means available. The blame for his death is not a suicide at that point, but a murder by negligence.

>How cruel can you be to force a person to endure suffering so that YOU can congratulate yourself and pat yourself on the back about your morals and ethics.

How arrogant must you be that you think anyone should have the ability to dictate when someone dies? Just because someone has a broken leg doesn't mean we shoot them in the head or let them shoot themselves, that's asinine.

>A book has superseded your own ability to reason and display compassion to Life.

Life is not merely the pursuit of pleasures and avoidance of pain, as your statement implies to be your standpoint. Pain is an important part of life, and it allows us to develop and to come to terms with things we otherwise never would have. You don't know what kind of good and come from pain, and so you act like pain automatically is bad. Reassess your viewpoints and come back.


fdb7d2  No.724240

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>>723871

Just give him what he wants you modern(read:retard) child.

He's a grown ass man and knows what he wants and needs. And what the winnie the pooh is the point of letting him live anyway? Because the family likes him? If yes you monsters are selfish as winnie the pooh, he is in pain.


b75bc3  No.724248

>>724239

>No, a doctors purpose is to make money for himself so that he can pay off his student loans and buy a big car/house/boat.

No, that's what a job is for, not a doctor. A doctor exists to protect life. Jobs exist to generate income for the worker and labor for the industry.

>When was the last time you heard about a 'drs strike' because the system was fraudulent and immoral? You wake me up when you hear of one, OK.

I'd love to see it, if only a whole lot of people's very lives didn't depend on their skill and knowledge in order to survive illness to recover from injuries. A lack of physicians is not an inconvenience, it is a deadly idea that anyone who thinks for half a second would dismiss as being not worth the risk.

>Torturing animals wrong

<Torturing people correct

Last time I checked, cutting an animal up while they're alive and conscious is torture, while doctors trying to keep a man alive because otherwise they'd lose their jobs and licenses, are two different things. Not to mention the fact that, once again, animals and humans are not a 1:1 comparison by any stretch of the imagination.

>No, it doesn't it becomes his choice solely…just as it becomes his choice to live as well

If that was the case, than we wouldn't have the concept of "assisted suicide." If I hand a known, convicted murderer a handgun and he kills somebody, I enabled the behavior, making me responsible. The same thing applies here by supplying the means to kill oneself, you are actively aiding in his death, making it your fault.

> Are you your brother's keeper?

Knowingly aiding in the death of somebody is not loving, which is the ultimate virtue.

>You brother (in this case YOUR ELDER) doesn't need a keeper, he is not an infant, he is responsible to God for his own behavior, as are you.

He clearly does if he is at a hospital, for starters. Secondly, he is responsible for his behavior, but it would be wrong for someone to allow an elderly person to kill themselves just like it'd be wrong to allow someone to harm themselves with self-mutilation or drug abuse.

>You don't get to watch from a distance while they suffer just so that you can feel good about yourself.

I've not once brought my own contentment into this. I don't enjoy watching people suffer, but I'm also not going to kill them or let them kill themselves and go to a place of infinitely worse punishment just because they or myself don't want to experience this current pain.

>Or even a fraction of it in any capacity whatsoever, it is their life, not yours.

And everyone's life ultimately belongs to The Lord, whom dictated that suicide is self-murder and a very grave sin. The creator and ruler of all creation has already spoken on this, and if you disagree with God on this, you need to ask yourself if it is better to allow your brother to condemn himself to eternal Hellfire or to suffer a little more in this life and be rewarded in the hereafter? Suffering does not occur for no reason, ever. Everything happens as a direct result of something else, and God, whom made the murder of the most innocent man to ever live into the greatest good ever seen, can make this man's suffering edifying for himself and others too.


b75bc3  No.724256

>>724252

I appreciate the lack of an argument.

Polite sage to avoid derailing OPs thread anymore. I'm sorry to hear that your grandfather is suffering, my friend. I don't know where you are now, but know that I'll pray for you and your grandfather, and that I love you.


acdfb2  No.724282

>>724219

I mean no disrespect but this post actually sounds like a post from a demon. Even saying get out the way like that implies that you are actively seeking to get people to kill themselves and thus damn themselves. We are getting in your way and it seems you hate this.

I notice posts like this frequently on this board and it makes me wonder if demons can use the internet or not.

Either way begone from this board in the name of the Lord.


9eeca6  No.724293

>>723871

Euthanasia of Humans is a sin

t. Catholicism


d6651b  No.724297

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>>724291

This is the best bait I have seen in a while.


2b58e2  No.724298

>>724297

Well, refute it then…I wouldn't mind if you have something to say other than teasing me.


abf9d3  No.724309

So many atheists and LARPagans have descended on this thread.


2b58e2  No.724314

>>724309

I don't see any atheists or LARPagans. Which ones are they?


dfe47b  No.724549

When I was in intense pain to get a surgery I said kill pls several times, did I mean it? Of course not.

Once your grandpa gets better he'll thank God for being alive.


70a7f7  No.724554

>>723871

You are obligated by mercy to provide him with food, drink and shelter. Anything else is extraordinary and can be withdrawn. Don't murder him though, or it is you who will have to answer for it to the Lord as well as your grandad for committing suicide


37352a  No.724649

>all these people advocating murder / suicide

Is this the right board? I tried going to /christian/


2b58e2  No.724666

>>724649

>all these people advocating murder / suicide

You mean the right of the INDIVIDUAL rather than the catholic church or the communist state to decide for themselves what is correct? How does this not fit with Christs teachings that one appeals to GOD ALONE and not 'religion' or other men for their life, decisions, and choices. What kind of communist nanny state handholding frankly bullshit are you looking for in this situation? Are you a jew or something that you think you have to 'make all men in your own image' for them to SEE GOD? What is wrong with you? Literally…I mean, really, what is wrong with you as a person? The OP's Grandpa has a right to choose for himself what he desires in Life.


37352a  No.724677

>>724666

Suicide is a mortal sin. The right of the individual you're talking about is the right to consign yourself to an eternity in hell.

The law of God is written on our hearts and Jesus set out to create his own religion when he gave the keys of heaven to peter. Maybe try reading the bible, then you'd know you can't get to the Father without going through Christ. You'd also know about loving your neighbor as yourself.

Repent sower of iniquity.


37352a  No.724700

>>724688

Jesus didnt directly kill himself. He allowed others to kill him to fulfill Gods will.

Judas killed himself. Judas is most definately in hell.

Samson killed himself but it was to fulfill God's will and God facilitated it. He's likely in heaven.

Why are prots so full of venom against the catholic church? Oh right they're heretics.

Fallen angels are literal demons. Why are you so misinformed about everything.

>Pharisees were modern day zionists(ZOG)

Wat

Yeah we're so dumb lmao.

[Summa theologia intensifies]




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