c96e81 No.710548
As a homosexual christian (I oppose lgbt), I have my own struggles and problems, especially because we are all expected to be celibate unless we are married and have sex with the intention to procreate/strengthen the pair bond.
Gay men can't procreate, so they shouldn't engage in sex.
But what about chaste cohabitation? What about cuddling and kissing? It is hard to lead a solitary life with no-one to rely on, and I won't deny that I wish I could have someone to share my thought and feelings.
Be harsh if you have to be.
723fe9 No.710549
>>710548
>especially because we are all expected to be celibate unless we are married and have sex with the intention to procreate/strengthen the pair bond.
>Gay men can't procreate, so they shouldn't engage in sex.
Do heterosexual Catholics in your area have sex for fun?
c96e81 No.710550
>>710549
Well yes, they do.
But isn't sex fundamentally wrong unless you perform it while allowing it's function (procreation) as well?
I'm a catholic, and I'm not aware of how other denominations see this issue.
f764de No.710553
>>710548
>As a homosexual christian
Bait thread
fe42a2 No.710554
>but what about
No.
Leviticus 20:13
Don't be reprobate bro.
c96e81 No.710555
>>710553
No, I'm genuinely interested.
I am not with anyone right now. I'm at a crossroads in my life now. I feel very lonely. I wonder whether I should be celibate, start a family with a woman who understands my condition, even though it wouldn't be an honestly loving relationship, or should I find another man who would agree to lead a celibate life with me, where we share some intimacy (no sex though)?
723fe9 No.710556
>>710550
>But isn't sex fundamentally wrong unless you perform it while allowing it's function (procreation) as well?
Yes. They aren't going to have a very good future unless they cease having sex.
b30bca No.710559
>>710548
You're going through your bargaining phase. You'll eventually realize He's pretty straightforward and you're not going to gain anything. If in your heart, you're still trying to have a romantic relationship with a man, then you're aiming to have said man reciprocate those feelings instead of letting him doing His will. The relationship you fantasize over would be full of sexual tension and temptation. Do you really think that's what God would want for either of you?
Good luck with your journey anon. You're in my prayers.
t.ex-homo
c96e81 No.710561
>>710559
I confess to having a great and strong hunger for love. Not even sex, just someone to count on.
I wish it wasn't wrong, I wish I could be cured, but I feel so desperate and alone.
I don't know what to do, or how to proceed.
What makes it even worse is that there is a man in my past I still love, even though the relationship was abusive, but I still miss him.
How does one leave all this behind?
How do you find love and forgiveness when you have so much longing for a past that was wrong?
2f1b6e No.710562
>>710548
At what point?
>As a homosexual christian
Right about there. Repent.
f764de No.710563
>>710555
Here's the answer
<For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Homosexuality isn't a "sexual preference" it's a dysfunctional and disordered perversion that is inherently sinful, it is a subhuman abomination. The fact you identify as a sodomite and desire sodomitic affections means you are an unrepentant sodomite, and the fact you don't suck cocks doesn't change that. The only answer you need to hear is repent, stop being a sodomite, and go find a nice girl to marry and make a mother.
f764de No.710565
262774 No.710567
Where the fùck do you fags come from? Go to r/Christianity
29cff9 No.710570
>>710563
>and desire sodomitic affections
The guy said he doesn't want to have sex because he knows it's bad.
>>710561
>>710548
Honestly, Dante didn't put homosexuals in hell, he put sodomites there, whether they were homosexual or straight.
Even the guys telling you to go to hell because you have homosexual feelings can only quote the verses where it's explicitely said that SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS are bad, not homosexual affection.
I don't have any genuine advice to give you. Don't have sex/kiss your fellow man, but having a platonic bro isn't anything to be bothered about. You're not damned because of feelings.
If anything, try to "make yourself straight", plenty of straight people are conditionned to become gay nowadays (by movies, animes, etc) the reverse is absolutely possible.
God bless
c96e81 No.710571
>>710567
>Where the fùck do you fags come from? Go to r/Christianity
I wish I knew.
I kinda wish we put all our scientific efforts into finding a cure.
This would be a worthy cause.
c96e81 No.710572
>>710570
>>710559
Thanks to both of you.
29cff9 No.710573
>>710572
>>710570
Also. Try to long for GOD above all.
He is the source of all love after all, why are you chasing for human love, perhaps more direct but ultimately a shadow of the one true eternal LOVE?
And I said this to a friend two days ago which was in great depression because he never had a gf even though he is trying so hard.
"But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you"
Also pic related. Dude was an actual sodomite and he became one of the best example of sainthood in the XXth century (and I say this as a catholic)
c96e81 No.710575
>>710573
God bless you for giving me hope, friend.
I will look into this.
8417bb No.710576
>big homogay
>"Christian"
Can you explain what makes you Christian?
f764de No.710577
>>710570
>The guy said he doesn't want to have sex because he knows it's bad.
He also said
<But what about chaste cohabitation? What about cuddling and kissing? It is hard to lead a solitary life with no-one to rely on, and I won't deny that I wish I could have someone to share my thought and feelings.
He still wants to play house with another fag
>Dante didn't put homosexuals in hell, he put sodomites there, whether they were homosexual or straight
Kill yourself homophile
>Even the guys telling you to go to hell because you have homosexual feelings can only quote the verses where it's explicitely said that SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS are bad, not homosexual affection.
I thought I quoted the verses where it's said inverting nature is bad, where it says perverting God's creation is bad. Where it says "God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly".
>You're not damned because of feelings.
You're damned for being an ABOMINATION
>>710572
Repent or get out faggot, this isn't /pridefulsinner/
(USER WAS BANNED FOR RULE 2 ) c96e81 No.710578
>>710576
I accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, and I seek the forgiveness of God.
This is pretty much why I consider myself Christian.
f764de No.710580
>>710578
>I accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, and I seek the forgiveness of God.
No forgiveness without repentance
8417bb No.710582
>>710578
I would love God if he saved me. Do you love God?
I love God because he saved me, and so I'm compelled to keep his commandments.
What you should be asking is how to fight your sodomite tendencies, not how far you should go with a man
c96e81 No.710583
>>710582
You're right.
The temptation is strong, and God is hard to reach for a sinner like me.
8417bb No.710584
>>710583
I don't think you quite get it. There are none righteous, no, not one. NO human being can ever reach God. It is God who has to reach us. Thankfully, God is reaching out to everyone, and it's up to people whether or not they want to grab God's hand.
29cff9 No.710585
>>710583
Hey man.Don't be so harsh on yourself, you made the most difficult part : realizing homosex is a sin. A lot of people will have branched out to a progressive church because they're too weak to face the truth.
Now, what's important is to not define yourself by your sexuality. Go to church and start practicing if it's not already done but don't dwell on yourself so much.
>>710583
>>710584
This is spot on
5a8889 No.710586
>>710548
hello fren.
I have the same kinds of problems too:
Yes, the homosexual actions are intrinsically disordered because they are fundamentally not open to life. I'd like to see more about this as well.
Platonic physical intimacy between men has only taken on this character because of our puritan, over-sexualised culture. For example, in the Central and South asia, men holding hands is not anything special.
On kissing, I think on the mouth is too much. But again, in Europe, it is not much a special thing.
However, you need to make sure it's not a kind of scandal, lead you to sin.
I also would advise you to not say "cohabitation", because it makes sound like a romantic relationship.
>>710549
For me, yes. It's frustrating (or maybe I'm just the son who stayed behind) because there's all this pariah-law on people with my illness but when normal people fornicate, they get away with it with a slap on the wrist.
>>710553
No.
>>710554
That is taking carnal knowledge, not platonic physical intimacy.
>>710555
Same.
Okay, this is really really really bad advice, but I'm thinking of taking zoloft (Sertraline HCl) to help alleviate both the loneliness/fear/depression and to kill the desires. I'm probably going to regret this, but whatever. Zoloft is a ssri (selective serotonin reuptake inhbiitor) and they do carry some stigma.
Only the first two are allowed. And the second one isn't even allowed as vocation according to CCC. I don't know either. Third one is scandalous.
>>710563
Soften your heart. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>710576
$ cat nicenecreed.txt
>>710577
I think both he and I are looking for something that David and Jonatan had, without the baggage.
And if you do end up killing me, then just make it as slow as possible, so that I can avoid Hell for as long as possible.
c96e81 No.710587
>>710584
>>710585
I turned away from God when I was 18, because of this.
My life was meaningless. I always tried to build monogamous relationships with other men but they always failed. I often wonder if any single one of them felt any love for me, but what I know is that I always felt unsatisified and unhappy. Those men treated me with abuse and cruelty, and I realized that my feelings of hopelessness and pain are my own fault because I rejected Jesus.
>>710586
Do not take pills for a spiritual problem, friend.
Trust me, it's not going to fix it for you, unless it can magically turn you straight, but it will mess with your head even more.
8417bb No.710588
>>710586
>That is taking carnal knowledge, not platonic physical intimacy.
Homosexuality isn't platonic physical intimacy. Sodomy is not the love of friend. Quit intentionally blurring lines.
f764de No.710590
>>710586
>You have no idea what you're talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about, you on the other hand need to open your eyes, homo. In the beginning God created a man and a woman. That is the created order, and any attempt to impart any part of that relationship to two men or two women is a perversion, it's taking what God made, spitting in His face, and saying "I can do it better". Just because you don't take it as far as ramming a cock up your ass doesn't make it ok to pervert God's order.
>I think both he and I are looking for something that David and Jonatan had
You pretend you're repentant and then you go accusing biblical figures of sodomy.
9f48e7 No.710591
8417bb No.710593
>>710590
This confirms the Word of God (Romans). I sadly think homosexuals have truly rejected God and who God is. God hating sodomy is part of God's character and they hate him for it.
c96e81 No.710594
>>710593
Sodomy means every sexual act that is not strictly penis-in-vagina sex, correct?
8417bb No.710596
>>710594
Wanting to have sex with a man.
c96e81 No.710597
>>710596
I've heard that it also includes oral and anal sex, even in heterosexual forms.
8c3d76 No.710602
>I wish I could have someone to share my thought and feelings
How about just making some male friends? You're a very confused person OP. Homosexuality is a perversion that stems from daddy issues/no sense of comradery with other men
c96e81 No.710608
>>710602
>Homosexuality is a perversion that stems from daddy issues
I know. But how do you fix daddy issues?
>male friends
I am attracted sexually to all male friends. It's too much of a temptation. I currently have no friends at all.
8417bb No.710617
>>710597
Only confuses things. Biblical definition = homosexuality.
If you are a man who wants to have sex with a man, you are %100 a sodomite.
f1e8e4 No.710619
Sodomy is worthy of death and eternal damnation, repent.
f1e8e4 No.710622
>>710617
It's not a confusion of anything, sodomy defined as any sexual intercourse outside of married intercourse makes the most sense. Obviously, homosexual sex is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, but the sin of Onan, contraception, and masturbation all fall under the umbrella of sodomy. Anything that strips sex out of its rightful place of marriage is worthy of condemnation.
8c3d76 No.710625
>>710608
>I know. But how do you fix daddy issues?
Through God all things are possible, your heavenly father will guide you if you give all your trust in him. You need to discipline yourself as well, fast and pray, make sacrifices for others
29cff9 No.710627
Ignore the baptists.
Everybody understand sodomy is anal sex (or any sex that isn't procreative if you want to take things far) but they only wantto justify their hatred, so for them sodomy = having the desire to have sex with a man.
According to them, a man having anal sex with his wife is better than a homosexual living in penance and chastity
It's plain nonsense.
Stay chaste, keep your chin up and run straight ahead (pun semi-intended)
c96e81 No.710628
4dcd14 No.710630
>>710608
>how do you fix daddy issues?
Forgiveness.
You must forgive your father and then you can return to your true Father.
c6a9d4 No.710637
I'm ashamed of what this board became
good luck with your struggle op
8417bb No.710640
>>710627
Nobody is born homo man. If you have homosexual desires, you are rebelling against God in dire terms. The sins of your heart are equal to the sins of your body.
Lust in the heart = adultery in the body in the eyes of God.
If you think having sex with your wife is worse than having homosexual desires in your heart, then you are rejecting God.
723fe9 No.710646
>>710640
>If you think having sex with your wife is worse than having homosexual desires in your heart, then you are rejecting God.
Desperate. Your turn.
22f7f7 No.710654
>>710548
>As a homosexual christian (I oppose lgbt), I have my own struggles and problems
As Christians, we all have our own struggles and problems. Honor Christ's sacrifice by not promoting labels such as "homosexual Christian" or "LGBTQ Christian".
Your identity is just "Christian", nothing more. With all due respect, stop being like every other sodomite who feels the need to stand out from the crowd.
>Gay men can't procreate, so they shouldn't engage in sex.
Correct. Sodomy is a sinful and selfish act that serves no real purpose beyond rejecting the teachings of Christ.
>But what about chaste cohabitation? What about cuddling and kissing?
That's just as sinful. Much like with porn, even having lustful thoughts is sinful - do not entertain them.
5a8889 No.710662
>>710588
>Quit intentionally blurring lines.
The ___ cries out in pain as he strikes you.
I'm literally the one who was careful as to not blur lines. You are the one who's taking what I said and twisting it.
>Homosexuality isn't platonic physical intimacy
I never said it was. Nice try.
>Sodomy is not the love of a friend
Yeah. That's my whole poohing point.
Cuddling is not gay sex.
>Quit intentionally blurring lines
Start with your own house.
If I'm misinterpreting anything from you, let me know.
>>710590
>In the beginning God created a man and a woman
I'm not disputing you. You're the one creating strawmen like a ___.
>attempt to impart any part of that relationship to two men or two women is a perversion
Pic related. The parts of marriage (that is sacramental, between man and woman, &c.) aren't exclusive to marriage.
There exists a thing called "friendship", you know? You know that confidance, physical intimacy (and by the way, INTIMACY IS NOT SEXUALITY), and loyalty &c. are not restricted to the marital relationship?
So what are you trying to say? That women shouldn't hug because that makes them dykes?
>I can do it better
Never said I could.
>Just because you don't take it as far as ramming a cock up your ass doesn't make it ok to pervert God's order.
Give me somewhere in the KJV where it forbids men or women from hugging people of the same sex. Go on. Find it. Copy and paste it here. Tell me. If you do, then I'll stop.
>accusing biblical figures of sodomy.
Nice pilpul.
I'm saying that I desire what Jonatan and David had, which is NOT SODOMY. Tell me exactly what words I said that told you that I was accusing them of sodomy.
You won't find them.
Read >>710591
I was looking for this article.
If I'm misinterpreting anything you said, let me know.
>>710596
Question: Is sodomy just the act, or is it the temptation as well?
Read >>710622
>>710640
Then tell me, how am I rebelling?
If lust in the heart is adultery in the body in the eyes of God, then that means that people with SSA must be put to death
>If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (Lev. 20:13 KJV)
However, that also means that if a normal man desires after another's woman, he must also be put to death.
>And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. (Lev. 20:13 KJV)
Do you see where it starts to break down?
Maybe you don't quite understand that verse.
>>710654 (+1)
It's probably all scandal.
5a8889 No.710663
>>710662
>The parts of marriage
I mean, "there are parts of marriage".
Otherwise it would be all encompassing.
f764de No.710672
>>710662
>I'm not disputing you
Not saying you are. It's called a foundation
>strawmen
>Pic related
Wow, how enlightened you are exposing all my le fallacies. Fresh off the boat from reddit are we?
>that is sacramental
Marriage is not sacramental. It is common to saints and heathens alike
>aren't exclusive to marriage
Yes, they are. The parts of marriage exist only in the relations of husband and wife. Not every relation that subsists between husband and wife is necessarily marital. The special romantic love which is held between spouses is a sacred thing created by God, and when it is perverted to apply between two people of the same gender, it is an abomination which is offensive to God.
>There exists a thing called "friendship", you know?
Romance, which OP plainly intended to describe, is not "friendship", you queer
>You know that confidance, physical intimacy (and by the way, INTIMACY IS NOT SEXUALITY), and loyalty &c. are not restricted to the marital relationship?
Let's take a step back from your queer apologetics to look at OP again. He comes here talking about how he's a sodomite, and how he has special struggles because he's a sodomite "Christian", how he doesn't know if he should find a man to have an "intimate" life with, how he wishes he had someone to "share" his "feelings" with, and asks if it's sinful for two men to "cohabitate" "cuddle" and "kiss", and you're seriously gonna have the balls to come up here and pretend that all OP is talking about is normal platonic friendship between men?
>That women shouldn't hug because that makes them dykes?
Well, if they're hugging because they're "homosexual christians" and they're living a "celibate life with intimacy", I'd say they're subhuman sodomites committing an abomination.
>Never said I could.
You did when you entered that perverse relationship with another man.
>Give me somewhere in the KJV where it forbids men or women from hugging people of the same sex
As soon as you show me where it's ok to sodomize each other, sweetums. (in case you're too daft to see my point, I'm pointing out the gross misrepresentation)
>Tell me exactly what words I said that told you that I was accusing them of sodomy
Right here >>710586
>I think both he and I are looking for something that David and Jonatan had
Now, I suppose you might have misread the thread and not noticed how obviously OP wants a romantic homosexual relationship, and think it's just about the problem of showing intimacy to friends without being misinterpreted as gay, but then why would the fact he's a homo be relevant?
fcf89b No.710676
>Be harsh if you have to be.
Ok I'll lay down the truth
>As a homosexual christian
Dont define yourself as a fag
>chaste cohabitation
You're entertaining the idea of marriage with a man. Even hetero chaste cohabition (while allowed) is strongly frowned upon for this reason.
>What about cuddling and kissing?
It is sexual in nature, don't do it. Imagine yhe partner you're with. Would people approve of you doing it in public if they were a female? No so dont do it.
In conclusion dont be such a fag. These are the sane restrictions hetero couples face so it's not hard. If you want friendly companionship then probably join a religious community but be open to your superior that youre suffering from faggotry and youre trying to amend your life
5a8889 No.710683
>>710672
>Wow, how enlightened you are exposing all my le fallacies. Fresh off the boat from reddit are we?
Sorry, but I just think that what you were saying was really underhanded.
>Marriage is not sacramental. It is common to saints and heathens alike
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c3a7.htm
>Yes, they are. The parts of marriage exist only in the relations of husband and wife. Not every relation that subsists between husband and wife is necessarily marital. The special romantic love which is held between spouses is a sacred thing created by God, and when it is perverted to apply between two people of the same gender, it is an abomination which is offensive to God.
Yes, but are all parts of marriage exclusive to marriage and marriage only?
>you're seriously gonna have the balls to come up here and pretend that all OP is talking about is normal platonic friendship between men?
I don't know.
>You did when you entered that perverse relationship with another man.
I'm a glanceless, hugless, hand-holdless virgin.
Sorry. So, I'm going to hell then?
f764de No.710686
>>710683
>vatican.va
into the trash with that
>Yes, but are all parts of marriage exclusive to marriage and marriage only?
If it isn't, can it truly said to be a part of marriage?
>Sorry
Apology accepted
>So, I'm going to hell then?
You certainly deserve it for wanting to pervert God's beautiful creation. But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. Therefore, should you in honest faith repent and believe, I can guarantee you will never see hellfire.
5a8889 No.710696
>>710686
>into the trash with that
because 2VC is trash?
>You certainly deserve it for wanting to pervert God's beautiful creation
I didn't even think I was doing that.
>But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
But how do I know I'm one of "us" (elect)?
>Therefore, should you in honest faith repent and believe, I can guarantee you will never see hellfire.
I thought I was reprobate or something.
f764de No.710698
>>710696
>because 2VC is trash?
No because vatican is trash
>I didn't even think I was doing that.
Didn't you say you're gay before?
>But how do I know I'm one of "us" (elect)?
If you rely only on the blood of Jesus for your salvation, you are
>I thought I was reprobate or something.
That's up to you, isn't it?
da220d No.710741
>>710548
>mwtpfw no one has yet posted this
You should conduct yourself in the same manner that heterosexuals ought when they are living with someone they are sexually compatible with but cannot or ought not engage with …
Run.
Flee temptation. And of all temptations, Paul suggests only one shouldn't be resisted so much as run from. Sex is so core, so integral to us, as human animals (that is to say, "to the flesh" but also to the spirit) that it is nearly impossible to control. That's why the #1 /christian/ meme is the one (second) attached alright, so I can't seem to find the full version of that
Mate, I empathise with your struggle, but I would strongly encourage you to live alone, or with women, until you are strong enough to master your flesh and control your desires. A man without self-control is like a city without walls. Until you grow some defences to be able to resist, I would stay away.
I do think that celibate Christian gay men living together __should_ be possible, but I cannot imagine they would be young, and it's fine that friendly human contact, deeper non-physical intimacy exist between such men, but it ought never be sexual, nor love-matching because the temptation would be too great.
Stay strong, dude, for the Spirit within you – if indeed he is – is greater than the world.
da220d No.710745
tfw you've replied to OP but realise he'll probably never be back to see your replies
>>710561
>great and strong hunger for love. Not even sex, just someone to count on.
That hunger is a hunger for God more than for a partner, if I may say. And is meant, for we single Christians, to be satisfied in the Lord and in the Church. If we cannot depend and rely on and be intimately honest with fellow believers who are also seeking to be dedicated with their whole being to the Lord, what good are people who "attend church" with us??
Yes, I have entire sermons in my backpocket lambasting the Church for failing in this duty, and relying too much on "Oh, well, I have a wife now, y'all can get winnie-the-poo'd"
Not what God called us to.
But, I would encourage you to understand and appreciate that the Lord your God is MEANT to be even more intimate a friend and ally to you than even a spouse! Y'know … while being God of all the universe.
>>710571
Good response, brother. It is clear that you're here for aid and succour, honestly opening your heart about your struggles to even the /pol/sters amongst us.
>>710570 & >>710559
based
Also this
>t.ex-homo
interests me. I'm glad that people can see past the homobashing /pol/lacks to see that there is still Christ amongst us.
>>710573
>was an actual sodomite
did NOT know that. Huh. Moderate respect.
>>710586
>$ cat nicenecreed.txt
love your work.
>>710594
>Sodomy means …
>>710596
>Wanting to have sex with a man.
Nope. It means doing whatever the men of Sodom were trying to do. They were ultimately homosexual rapists, but we have, in light of other scriptures, integrated the definition of men who HAVE anal sex not those who are homosexual by inclination. (The Bible actually says nothing about the heterosexual version, afaik, but I know there is a wide variance in moral guidance around this.) So, this shit >>710617 is just plain /pol/ bait.
f764de No.710777
>>710741
>>710745
Please, go back to reddit, homophile
590189 No.710782
>>710741
>>710745
It's OP here.
The support from this thread is incredible.
I'm also a /pol person, but that place needs to help it's own people a bit more.
d4193a No.710784
Stop reading the bible or going to church and go see a therapist before you end up trying to kill yourself please thanks.
590189 No.710785
>>710784
I wanted to kill myself BEFORE reading the Bible.
d4193a No.710788
Then you should go to a therapist instead of starting to read the bible. Find a good therapist too. A psychologist. Not some christian counselor who will make your situation worse.
3cab35 No.710805
>>710791
Wow christianity destroyed, I have finally seen the light, etc.
Now leave.
1e9884 No.710808
>>710791
Yeah, same line of thinking I had when my parents were too busy with my other four siblings and I then got so much fun and better over time! No, wait...
c96e81 No.710809
>>710788
>A psychologist
>your soul is just science maan
c96e81 No.710812
>>710745
>>710741
More of those videos please!
30407d No.710817
Why don't you go eat a bullet? Step into a rope? Walk off a pier? Do the world a favor and kill yourself you degenerate subhuman
c96e81 No.710819
>>710817
This is /christian and not /jew
f930fe No.710822
just be chaste. there is no gray area for exacting homosexual acts. if you really feel totally unattracted to women, its chastehood period.
a7540c No.710879
>>710577
>Kill yourself homophile
Stay quiet, LARPer.
3cab35 No.710883
>>710819
Just because you're right doesn't mean you belong here. Go back to reddit.
cbfd8a No.710898
>>710548
>As a homosexual christian
As a vegeterian pork-eater I stopped reading right there.
cbfd8a No.710901
>>710548
>homosexual christian
I guess you can become Catholic OP, but you can't be Christian.
c96e81 No.710908
>>710883
I will stay.
>>710901
Okay, pastor Anderson, that's about far enough.
1e9884 No.710912
>>710898
I think he worded it wrong; he should have said “as a Christian struggling with same sex attraction”.
I suffer from the same issue, but it’s getting better.
Please do not immediately attack these poor persons…some of us are missing something in their lives, or have been victims of abuses. Those who have not seen it as a challenge but delved deeper in the sin are the real issue, those who want acceptance for one of the worst sins out there.
3cab35 No.710916
>>710908
>I will stay
For what? Bring over the atheists form your subreddit while you're here then, at least that would be amusing.
30407d No.710922
>>710879
>if you don't think it's ok to be gay you're a LARPer!
Why are all you fags and faglovers coming here?
cbfd8a No.710927
8417bb No.710939
>>710548
How about this. If you are a man who wants to have sex with another man, gtfo off this board.
Homosexuals have rejected God. Prove me wrong scripturally.
c6155a No.711005
>>710548
>cohabitation
cohabitation would be a sin, since most non married couples that cohabitate engage in fornication.
>cuddling
homosexual activity is a sin
>kissing
again, homosexual behavior is a sin
>solitary life with no one to rely on
become a monk.
637293 No.711026
>>710548
>At what points does intimacy between men become sinful?
the point where you start to wonder if your intimacy with men is sinfu and make threads like this
da220d No.711048
>>710777
And he gets the triple-7 for godliness, LOL, fug this site
Well, I guess if I posted ten times in a thread, I'd improve the pure chance of getting a triple anything, too
ps; you're being a parasite
04d87b No.711054
205499 No.711055
>But what about chaste cohabitation? What about cuddling and kissing? It is hard to lead a solitary life with no-one to rely on, and I won't deny that I wish I could have someone to share my thought and feelings.
Share your feelings with your brothers, brother.
Room mates are fine.
Cuddling and kissing are occasions for sin. Willingly subjecting yourself to temptation like that is sinning.
e5a8c1 No.711266
As a Catholic even cuddling with your girlfriend is dangerous. Now with a dude it's gay as winnie the pooh m8.
Never do it. It's OK to have friends and bros often hug themselves. But that's in the manly way. If cuddling with a girl (a person that a man can marry) can lead to the sin of fornication then cuddling with a fag could lead to sodomy which is one of the five sons that cry to Heaven. Remember that the reason for the flood was partially sodomy and the destructions Sodoma and Gommorah was faggotry. And cuddling with a dude is useless since there's no future in that relation unlike with a woman that the primary objective is to marry her.
Don't ever do it OP. The Church tells people with homo inclinations to remain celibate (don't become a priest though we've seen where that leads to)
7347ea No.711573
>>710548
Any action or thought that inflames sexual desire is gravely sinful. You should actually go above and beyond to avoid near occasions of sin rather than trying to be a legalist.
Cuddling and kissing is gravely disordered. If you are afflicted with homosexual desires you should avoid homosexuals at all costs, especially not living with them.
Also you can cure your homosexuality: google Ray Peat cured my homosexuality: it's basically just a pro metabolic anti estrogen diet
c96e81 No.711683
>>711573
>Ray Peat cured my homosexuality
I googled this and found hundreds of Guardian articles about how christians are literally evil nazis.
Would you please provide an actual source?
262774 No.711830
Why is this thread still up?
85de9a No.711838
>>710577
This is your brain on Andersonism. Do you actually think this is charitable language?
7440e6 No.711846
>>711838
There's something wrong with you if you're being nice to subhumans instead of bluntly condemning their perversion
267daf No.711900
YET ANOTHER SODOMITE TROLL THREAD
WILL BE ALLOWED TO STAY UP
RIP /CHRISTIAN/
c96e81 No.712037
>>711846
>>711900
You guys should become scientists and find a cure.
647d9a No.712038
>>710548
>homosexual
>christian
no
c96e81 No.712045
>>712038
>murderer
>christian
yes
>whore
>christian
yes
612ad4 No.712123
>>712045
>dont follow the teachings of a religion
>still claim to be part of it
7440e6 No.712126
>>712037
It's a spiritual problem, Jesus is the cure
c96e81 No.712134
>>712123
>be celibate fag
>"hurr durr you are not following your religion"
f6d1fb No.712153
>>712045
>habitual sinful lifestyle
>christian
no
f6d1fb No.712154
>>712134
habitual wicked thoughts are enough to cancel your Christianity
ea386e No.712157
>>710548
Guide to Catholic sexual teaching:
Can I procreate with my wife?
Yes
But what about
No
It's really that easy. If you have to ask a question about sexual morality then I can almost guarantee you it's a sin.
Cuddling and kissing someone is scandalous and celibate cohabitation is still cohabitation
58cbd5 No.712215
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZFCB9sduxQ
This is the best talk I've seen on homosexuality and christianity some people will probably not like it
c96e81 No.712706
>>712215
This guy went a really strange way about this.
c8d882 No.712721
Haven't read the thread but here's my take.
It depends on the circumstances/culture. There are places where men embrace each other and bring each other gifts such as flowers. I can't remember precisely where, but it's in some Islamic nation where this happens; in that place homosexuality is obviously not accepted, so men don't have to worry as much about appearing gay, because the universal understanding is that no one is. Where homosexual freedoms increase, the quality of men-men relationships decreases. Just look at the accusations the degenerate crowd make about David and Jonathan, or even Christ and the Twelve.
So if hugging a man who you see as a close friend is simply a friendly, platonic, act of affection, then go for it. Use your own judgement, examine your own heart, and consider what message it gives to others.
And pray that these same sex attractions may be removed from you. Read your Bible, and let the Holy Spirit renew your mind as you seek after Christ.
1ae3d7 No.715365
Please don't let those "kill yourself", "go back to reddit", and "you're not a real Christian" posters get to you. It's obvious that you came here to seek help and truth, so you're definitely welcome imo. Those who disagree should read Luke 10:25-37 and Matthew 25:31-46.
>>710548
>But what about chaste cohabitation?
I think that marriage should be the eventual goal of a (Christian) relationship. If marriage is not the goal, then the people involved put themselves in a position where they are bound to lust after each other or to actually give into the desire to fornicate, and cohabitation greatly increases this risk.
>What about cuddling and kissing?
If it's caused by (or causes you to) lust after each other, then no. Cuddling and kissing can be done to some extend without lusting sexually after each other. Though, they are still acts that belong exclusively within a romantic relationship (with the exception of small children cuddling with e.g. their mother).
It basically comes down to what God thinks of any non-straight romantic relationship. There are 3 things that come to mind, that convince me it's completely off limits:
1) God designed man and woman (physically) to be with each other.
2) Practicing any sexuality other than heterosexuality is an abomination in God's eyes.
3) God calls the affections of sexuality that goes against nature "vile" (Romans 1:26-27 KJV).
>>710555
>>710561
You're certainly dealing with a tough situation, friend. Luckily, God loves you (Romans 5:8), and He definitely wants to help you! (Mark 1:40-41)
I don't think I can tell you anything that you don't already know about homosexuality. The most obvious advice one can give regarding any sinful desire, is to not act on it and to repent, which you're already doing. I can give you only one piece of advice on dealing with the state of being homosexual, which is to focus on your walk with God.
If you have faith (Hebrews 11:1) and surrender your life to God (Luke 14:33, Proverbs 3:5-6, Romans 6:16), then He will empower you, through the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38, John 14:15-17), to keep His commandments (1 John 2:3-5, 1 John 3:24). As you walk with God (in faith, trust, and obedience) you will be renewed day by day (2 Corinthians 4:16), and cleansed (1 John 1:7, 1 Peter 1:22-23). It is not an easy path to walk (Acts 14:22), but know that everything has it's purpose (Romans 8:28). Trust God in everything, and you will not regret it (Psalms 34:22).
Keep in mind that God is not distant if you seek Him (Psalms 145:18), and that it's a relationship that you're building and maintaining. Read the Bible daily and pray throughout the day. Spend time with Him (one on one), and pour out your heart to Him (Psalms 62:8, 1 Peter 5:6-7). When you encounter weaknesses or shortcomings, remember that you can ask God to help you with all of them (Psalms 51:10-12, Psalms 86:11, Mark 9:24, Matthew 7:7-11).
>I wish I could be cured
Have faith, friend, and all is possible to you! (John 8:36, Hebrews 4:16)
046c4e No.715422
>>710571
The cure is to love God with all your heart. Once you begin to do that, you will begin to heal, and your sinful tendencies will begin to abate.
Begin by recognizing that your homosexual desires offensive against God, and hate them. Many people have desires to commit sinful acts. Serial killers desire to murder prostitutes, alcoholics desire to get blackout drunk. The source of the problem is sin, and sin begets sin, and disorder and misery spreads and thickens.
16c197 No.715482
>>710577
>(USER WAS BANNED FOR RULE 2 )
Anyone else certain there's open homosexuals on the moderation staff?
2c437b No.715493
>>710548
In the good old times guys were close. They created a closely bound collective. For the case of hunting, for helping each other, for the case of war. It has always been an advantage to be a part of collective. Women being close cements the society but men holding together and pushing for the same thing is the bricks.
Now to your question. Your "orientation" is not an orientation. It is a disgusting perversion that was twisted into "muh orientation" by enemies of God and enemies of mankind. It is not an orientation,it is an abomination. They destroyed true male bonding by pushing this disgusting perversion as an orientation. Everyone is just afraid any sign of male friendship (friendly hug) will appear as them being gay.
Stop baiting on christian, repent from your sin.
If you are honest in your desire to quit,sorry to have called you baiting. I wish you the best. Stop justifying a mortal sin, fight it. Find a nice gilr you will like, make a child, find out what a disgsting lie you've been sold.
As to your question: What intimacy is a sin.
Faggotry is a sin. Friends hugging is all right, very few people are actually that perverted to take things between men in a sexual fashion. Just MSM and society memed this up to be "the norm" it is not.. It never were. Stop seeking the line rather abandon buggery althogether
1ae3d7 No.715566
>>715482
So, you really think there is nothing wrong with that post? Nothing at all? Totally not violating rule #2?
16c197 No.715573
>>715566
If it violates rule 2 then rule 2 belongs in a dumpster. Why would conservative, righteous, bible-beliving Christians have a problem with calling the sodomite by his correct name?
67f3e9 No.715579
>>715573
>calling for suicide
He's either trolling or LARPing, but one thing is certain. He is no Christian.
4131d1 No.715590
>>715579
You can't be a Christian while you worship sodomites, faglover
67f3e9 No.715601
>>715590
>if you don't tell people to kill themselves then you worship them
With this level of pathological intellectual dishonesty and unrepentent hatred, why are you even here? Repent and pray for forgiveness.
4131d1 No.715602
>>715601
Who told them to kill themselves? Stop bearing false witness, faglover
67f3e9 No.715603
>>715602
>Stop bearing false witness, faglover
The Bible is truly right about the hypocrites, yet again. God has hardened your heart, so you need to pray.
4131d1 No.715612
>>715603
I'll pray God kills all faggots
5ebdf1 No.715757
aacdb4 No.715890
>>710548
>homosexual
>christian
pick one
0a4667 No.715892
>>710555
>I feel very lone
Deny your "feelings". Nobody cares how you feel and neither should you. Do what is right instead of what makes you feel good.
5aa847 No.715933
Please don’t take this the wrong way, but you should do the same thing a Pedophile or a Zoophile should do: pray that your affliction goes away, and understand that more likely then not any man you want to have a relationship with will probably want to have sex with you. It’s a dangerous thing, but God is with you. Keep strong, and if you are able, try living a solitary life in nature.