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>>703544

What exactly are you experiencing? Demonic possession? Do you know a demon has latched on you? Are you sure this is Demonic and not mental?

>>703567

It sounds pre-posessional, since he's still resisting this and is rational enough to contact us. But it does sound like an obsession.

OP, you should detail everything you've experienced and have it on hand when you talk to officials. They should be able to discern if it's certainly spiritual, certainly mental, or if they need a psychologist's second opinion before going forward. The best thing you can do here is get expert advise!

>>703564

That's nice of you, anon.

God bless you.

>>703544

That's not possession, more like demonic oppression.

I woke up 30 minutes ago after like half an hour of intrusive pornographic thoughts while half asleep. Did not fap.

>>703663

That's right, it's also called a demonic obsession. The general concept is that it's trying to break down your willpower, so it can get it's foot "in the door going into your head". But, if you have someone deal with it at this point, it's not a dire procedure to remedy the situation. An exorcism would be needed for the next stage - actual possession - and that would be much more dangerous. Think of this like an untreated wound. You don't want it to turn into a major infection, one's easier to fix than the other.

When i go to sleep demons take me places

but due to my emense willpower the last nightmare i had it looked like they were afraid of me

they take me places either where i feel physical harm or put me in deeply sexual places

Called out jesus once and it disepeard

during evenings i get intrusive thoughts of aggression and anger Which disepears when in Playing praise songs

see eyes when i close my eyes

Not mental problem no, i know myself well enough, father and grandfather had this could be family curse

>>703544

Most demonic possessions are the result of mortal sin. Go to confession and stop any grave sin. Diabolical influence can be removed by praying the daily rosary, and the binding prayer, st Michael prayer all according to Fr Ripperger old rite exorcist

>>703564

I think how much faith the priest has doesn't really matter as long as he can contact vatican officials that may send him professional exorcists.

>>703709

>>703710

What? Are you able to see demons or something? And the migration map? What's the point of all of that?

>>703709

That definitely sound like a demonic obsession. Invoking Christ, who has the ultimate authority to cast them out, dispersed their activities at that moment. They might have been afraid of your guardian angel, as well, earlier on. Keep that in mind.

If you had older family with this situation, then it's quite possible that at one point someone in your lineage's past made a Satanic pact, and some pacts allow for ease of obsession and possession along lines of descendants. And really, that kind of pact isn't as uncommon as you would think. That said, you likely WILL need to see specialists who can remove the threat long-term, otherwise (if I am accurate) you will be assaulted again and again.

>>703850

>Most demonic possessions are the result of mortal sin

Not necessarily. There are cases where you can be in the wrong place at the wrong time, so to speak. Even if you are very holy. Chronicled attacks on saints and blessed people. Of course in the Bible itself, even the Lord was tempted by Satan directly, and there was no question of sin there. Additionally, if you look at the poster above (provided what he said is accurate) his problems might well be sourced from someone else in his family, rather than anything he may have done himself. Of course his actions could make it worse for him.

Also anything that really disassociates you from reality in a firm way, is a major risk as well. Or opening up your spirit in any direction away from God. If you play with fire you can get burned, in other words.

>Diabolical influence can be removed by (etc)

For a time, but any permanent resolutions - to the best of my knowledge - require external assistance.

>>703858

>I think how much faith the priest has doesn't really matter as long as he can contact vatican officials that may send him professional exorcists

It matters because if you go to a priest that doesn't believe in Heaven or Hell, they aren't likely to refer you an exorcist. Ever. Being told, "Well, it's a load of garbage. Now go see a psychiatrist, and by the way, do you want to sign up for my climate change initiative?", is useless. And for someone who would be prone to easily give up against an obstacle, it's even potentially Damning.

>>703876

>Fortune identified her beliefs as being part of what she termed "the Western Mystery Tradition"

>She expressed the opinion that "in any school of Western mysticism the author and finisher of our faith must be Christ Jesus, the Great Initiator of the West", and treated "the Master Jesus" as her personal spiritual guide

>She believed that the teachings passed down from the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn served the purpose of recovering "sacred mysteries" or gnosis that had been overlooked by mainstream Christianity

>she rejected a number of traditional Christian doctrines, such as that surrounding Heaven and Hell

Gnostic "new age" trash? This is worse than bad information, this is dangerous. Don't anyone dare use this for real defense, you'll get in real trouble.

>>704020

>a priest that doesn't believe in Heaven or Hell

A catholic priest? Not believing in heaven or hell? Pardon my third world knowledge, but I've never met a catholic priest like that, ever, in my life. In my country, demonic possessions and demonic haunting in certain places are a serious business. Cases of witchcraft are still widespread. Catholic exorcists as well as exorcists from other religions aren't scarce around here.

Baptist allowed to dance here. I've never experienced demonic possession, nor have I known any of my peers to have experienced it or heard of someone experiencing it. I am fully open to it being a thing, just as aliens and other things which we don't see but are very well there. I just want an explanation based in biblical/theological knowledge rather than some made-up lol /x/ nonsense. Help a brother Christanon out?

>>704035

They are a sizable minority in Europe and plentiful in the United States as well. Many priests in the West are also pro-sodomite marriage and pro-, or at least ambivalent towards, abortion.

>>704035

I hate to say it, but there's a lot of clerics in Western Europe and America that really do not believe in God. Not just in the Catholic Church (but there's a lot there as >>704037 mentioned), it's really all over. The Anglicans, certain branches of Protestantism (especially state-run churches)…maybe other sections as well, I don't have universal data. The common thread, though, is it's mainly to this particular geographic area. There's a general mood of non-belief here that's settled in since…well, for sure the mid-2000s. It's not just atheism either; that was a strong movement, but been falling apart the past 5-7 years here. Instead, people worship things, mainly. Like money. Private companies. Or certain politicians, or political parties. Or sports teams, or movie stars. Man basically worships himself here. It looks like that might be changing slightly, but whatever is happening it seems to be in the early stages, so whatever those changes will finally settle into I really couldn't say.

But, the overall loss of belief is why I had to clarify to the OP and some others to find the officials with faith. There are still many priests who are steadfast despite the problems I listed, but you have to look harder than you would in a country that isn't in spiritual ruins. For European/US Catholics, a safer bet that you could find that kind of person would be at a location that still performs the traditional masses, or even better actively advocates for them over a wide area.

Out of curiosity, what country are you in? You don't have to be too specific if you don't want to, but there's been a lot of anons over the years that have been on the lookout for countries with a healthy faith. Overall Eastern Europe has gotten high marks, but I'm sure there's people on the lookout for any area they can find.

(Oh, you can also rest assured that Satanic activity is positively rampant in the US and Western Europe as well, given the situation.)

>>704036

The bible itself has multiple instances of demonic possessions and ghostly apparitions. You'll find even more if you're willing to read stories of the saints, but I guess sainthood isn't a baptist church thing.

>>704037

Aren't you supposed to report their heresies to the vatican officials or something?

>Out of curiosity, what country are you in?

Well alright, I'd like to tell you a bit about my homeland. I'm an indonesian, catholicism is a minor religion here but we have a very healthy and thriving population, but the quality of faith, I don't think that's easily measurable though. Just because we have more believers doesn't always mean that we're always pious.

Your people worship the material, so do mine. In fact, I would say that the 1st worlders probably care more about the wellbeing of others than we the 3rd worlders do as we've been desensitized to the suffering of others. Your people are willing to accept unwashed immigrants from shady places, /pol/ might see it as a catastrophe yet I see it as a very honorable deed. Hence I find it funny how such a socially aware civilization could distance itself away from God.

So, even though we're more spiritually aware, we aren't running short of materialism, corrupt religious figures, and false spiritualism here, you're not the only one. However, living in poverty has taught many to be more pious admittedly, though it doesn't always work of course, especially for those with a compulsive disorder.

>Satanic activity is positively rampant in the US and Western Europe as well

And you think it isn't here? I'm from a country famous for it's witchcraft and superstitions (still not as famous as Africa though). No need to be so bitter about it. I think most 3rd world countries are similar to mine.

>>704036

Of course it is quite biblical. Matthew 9:32, in KJV: "As they went out, behold, they brought to him a dumb man possessed with a devil." Mark 7:26, "The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter." And Acts 16:16-18. It seems, Jesus and the early church fathers cast them out on the regular.

Now as far as mechanics, we can see in the Bible plainly that Jesus Christ as the authority to cast out demons as He sees fit. After the Crucifixion, the Apostles cast out demons, also using his authority. No removal of demons can occur without that authority. For finer points, there are certainly other biblical references. There's also tradition amongst people who…for lack of a better term, take spiritual warfare up as a profession. Finally, modern research methods…for example, Catholic exorcists some time ago tried to use statistics to find out if there were any patterns to possession via demographics.

Anyway. If you've never met someone who has been possessed, that's very fortunate.

>>704505

>Aren't you supposed to report their heresies to the vatican officials or something?

Without going too deep into it…let's just say self-correction within the local section of the church isn't particularly effective these days. It at least would require upper levels of hierarchy to either be effective and/or not-corrupted themselves, and itself is not guaranteed.

>And you think it isn't here? I'm from a country famous for it's witchcraft and superstitions (still not as famous as Africa though). No need to be so bitter about it. I think most 3rd world countries are similar to mine.

I'm not shocked at all you have problems with demons and witches, they've been around forever, but there's been some interesting developments the last few years in the West that are very concerning. Open Satanic rites in public, the offspring of famous government leaders talking to the Church of Satan's Twitter account…very troubling.

>>704698

Do you know of any examples of modern day demonic possession, anything to be shown as proof of the terror?

One demon I read in the bible, the one that made a child convulse and foam at the mouth, sounds exactly like a sufferer of seizures. Are some "demons" really just diseases cured by the might of God, and if so, how to tell them apart from actual demons? I need to become stronger in faith and knowledge of God, that's for sure, I'm no expert. Heck, I'm so pathetic I barely even understand the Holy Spirit. That's my insolence as opposed to the church's, I only go on Sundays and don't get involved in deeper theological discussion like I should. :(

And wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not.

Mark 9:18

>>707051

>Are some "demons" really just diseases cured by the might of God, and if so, how to tell them apart from actual demons?

I mean an exorcism is in a way a healing process. It's basically removing a parasite, and then mending the damage it caused.

Anyway, during an actual exorcism, you can tell fairly quickly if it's a mental problem or an external attack: demons will react to it! It's not going to be something like the mindless rage you would normally associate with a mentally impaired person, it's a far more dramatic effect. If you get to that point, that will clinch it.

But before that, in this modern era, before an actual exorcism a priest would usually organize for a person to see a psychiatrist first, and double check to make sure that it's not mental illness. If the shrink comes back and doesn't know what's going on, then it's the exorcist's turn. As a side note, keep in mind there's liability issues that would also come into play here when you send someone in. You don't want to go into exorcism, have someone die during it and then get sued right away over it without some backup on the matter.

>>707089

Neat. Thanks for the info. By the by, do you have any sources for reading up on that sort of thing? I'd love to read what you've read about that.

>>707484

Well, there's been multiple books released over the years from people who are known exorcists, who have detailed various events they have participated in and their analysis on the various facets of the occulted powers.

I would say, you could do worse than start with Fr. Gabriel Amorth's works. I could recommend other people, and might at a later date. I think the least inaccessible might be him, and certainly his publications are a bit newer than some of the other alternative works you could find out there (even though Amorth himself has died a few years ago). Not that the basics change much over time, however.

That all said, this guy was one of the most authoritative Roman exorcists of the 20th century, who consulted with popes to Padre Pio over his long tenure. You would want to look up publications, overall, of people with that pedigree. A good primer might be "An Exorcist Explains the Demonic: The Antics of Satan and His Army of Fallen Angels", it's a recent release. You by no means have to stop with that, but do pace yourself. It's probably not wise to focus on evil all time.

First of all, stay strong brother!

Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

- 1 Peter 4:1

Second, I have no idea about Sweden, but there are people on YT that do deliverance from demons over Skype. I only know about a few, though.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBz2GypMVTo0q0n4QVXaCSQ

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfGJ-GfLInkEEMaTqmHaTMA

I also advise you to search for Derek Prince, his sermons on demonic activity are very interesting.

>>708083

I completely agree with you. One shouldn't take unnecessary risks, especially in this, and it's best to find an exorcist who can help you in person, but not everyone will have the possibility to go a "fire and brimstone old school guy". Beggars can't be choosers, so in case OP is willing, he can try to discern whether or not the guys I linked to are born again, and see whether or not he's willing to take the risk.

Sweden has no catholic population less than 1% and 0% orthodoxs.

There is no true exorcists there.

No wonder it's one of the most degenerate countries in the world.

I'll have to go to Russia or some country below Germany.

>you'll have to go to Russia

Fixed

>>708245

Poland exists.