/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

Well seeing as homosexuality is a sin and modernity worships the globohomo, every poster here fits into that category.

>>700584

We would get along anon. I don't think you're that controversial.

>For me, I think that the "breath of life" in Genesis is a reference to the Holy spirit, Who temporarily left humanity after Adam sinned.

Totally agree. In fact the Holy Spirit is all through the OT inspiring the prophets. Moses and Aaron most notably in Exodus. Also the H/'heh' that God adds to Abram and Sara is a breath and is much the same.

>The Hebrews in Exodus were the hyksos

Further explanation required.

>Water baptism doesn't save anyone in itself

This is a totally scriptural claim. It is repent (metanoia) and be baptized. Baptism without repentance is LARPing.

My favourite description of baptism is "an outward display of an inward change".

yeah a few

>gay is bad

>sex out of wedlock is bad

>the wrath of God, probably the apocalypse is coming

>other religions are all worshiping Satan and their idols and temples should be destroyed

>atheists are Satanists

>Jews are the synagogue of Satan and their "moshiach" is the antichrist

>>700584

closeted heresy threadp?

i sometimes think that elohim having the -im ending suggesting plural points to the trinity

Every Christian should be in trouble in the modern world. Homosex and homo 'marriage', transgenders, one night stands, consumerism and greed, not having kids, are so prevalent and every Christian should be against them. Of course then you look at the polls and more than 50% of "Catholics" are ok with gay marriage…

>>700606

>closeted heresy thread

i believe damned are temporally punished to extract justice then enter limbo (which is part of hell), a kind of purgatory of the underworld. Its a middle ground between eternal torment and universalism. I have no proof to back it up and have no idea if its within the bounds orthodoxy.

>>700605

Those are perfectly normal.

>>700584

theistic evolution

>>700790

Normie

>>700584

Sure. The most obvious is that I believe the Bible teaches clearly that modern day Jews are that in name only and are literally the Synagogue of Satan, who have as their main purpose to bring about the Antichrist. But, more controversially on this board is that Catholics aren't saved, and can not be saved without a total rejection of their pagan heresy dressed as Christianity. This goes for Orthodox as well, since they're essentially the same thing.

>>700818

>But, more controversially on this board is that Catholics aren't saved, and can not be saved without a total rejection of their pagan heresy dressed as Christianity.

This really comes to the forefront considering the aggressive and biased moderating style that takes place from catholic mods here.

I'm going to come across as a joykill here but wouldn't it be better to have a thread that tries to point out errors people have regarding basic dogma or in tradition, and fix them? Rather than listing them out as personal opinion, so that someone gets the wrong idea about something? I myself have suspicions on some things, but I haven't consulted someone with expertise in those areas yet and thus don't feel like sharing them until then, otherwise I'll just contribute to net error and potentially damn more souls to Hell if I am not both accurate and precise on those areas.

>>700605

You seem fairly orthodox to me, anon.

(((Sophia takes the place of the Holy Spirit)))

I used to be a universal reconcilationist and believed transubstantiation despite being a Prot.

>>700584

I don't believe the bible is divinely inspired.

>>701249

You aren't wrong. Divorce is evil and "remarriage" is nonsensical. A woman bonds to the man who takes her virginity and children deserve to live with their biological parents. One marriage. Christ isn't going to divorce His Bride, after all.

I'm theologically Protestant, but I love the aesthetic of Eastern Orthodox liturgy and don't particularly care for that of low church prots. I'd like to be Orthodox for their liturgy, but I can't help but see the Orthodox system as salvation by works. What do, fam?

>>701365

begome Byzantine Rite Lutheran

>>701365

Read James.

>>700584

Hitler was the greatest modern Christian and that WW2 was a battle of good vs evil with evil prevailing.

Because everything in Revelation happens on earth, I am led to believe that Jesus's second coming will occur before we make any substantial progress in multi-planet colonization.

I remember reading some old analysis of prophecies from Isaiah that talked about some sort of AI system that was in charge of making policies for the entire world, but I was really young at the time and don't remember what portion of Isaiah it talked about… any ideas where this may have come from?

Referring to someone as virgin to mock him in the Internet or in general is retarded and subhuman.

I believe demons exist and actively work in the world to turn Humanity away from God.

The Eucharist is the literal body and blood of Christ. (A person I knew who knows i'm going through RCIA who's Catholic believes its a metaphor. Not entirely surprising considering her Baptist upbringing, but its still heretical.)

We aren't living in the end times just a particularly bad time.

Atheists are extreme Protestants.

Theistic Evolution

>>700584

>The Hebrews in Exodus were the hyksos, who were enslaved because they started to infiltrate the Egyptian government and the native people fought back.

The Hyksos is a very shaky theory. They predate all proposed (both liberal and conservative) estimates of the Exodus timeline by hundreds of years. As well as using the Palestinian coast as their escape route (rather than anything in the Sinai).

I think my position on homosexuality is the main thing that could get me in "trouble". I'm not sure I care about what kind of trouble that entails though.

>>702099

>Hitler was the greatest modern Christian and that WW2 was a battle of good vs evil with evil prevailing.

That moment when I realize /christian is no different than /pol. I guess that will get me in trouble here now..

I believe in annihilationism.

>>707306

/christian/ is very different from /pol/. This >>702099 idiot's opinion doesn't speak for the board or for Christ. Hitler is boiling in Hell.

>>700649

>condemns others for condemning others

Way to fall into your own trap.

>>702114

>Because everything in Revelation happens on earth, I am led to believe that Jesus's second coming will occur before we make any substantial progress in multi-planet colonization.

I don't really think that's unusual to be honest. Actually I've wondered what would happen to any astronauts or people stationed on ISS if the end came in the foreseeable future.

>>707301

>I believe demons exist and actively work in the world to turn Humanity away from God.

That's very orthodox again. Is "what people used to normally believe" now hetrodox fringe or something to the normals?

>>707316

Now that's a little different.

>>701249

You're correct, and most of your church is in grave sin. Does you congregation practice church discipline?

>>701365

>Orthodox system as salvation by works

I doubt a sensible Prot believes faith can help to someone who hates and execrates God. The devil also has such false faith.

The true Orthodox faith is always coupled with love. The Orthodox system is salvation by such true faith. For example, if someone turns to God with such true faith, just a minute before he dies, then we believe that such person is saved despite that he doesn't have time for works. But when an Orthodox Christian has time, then his true faith makes him have works. If an Orthodox Christian doesn't have works, then he should analyze himself to see what is wrong with him.

We do not believe in salvation by works. We believe in salvation by faith which makes us able to receive the grace of God. All this leads to works, but the works are side effect, not a goal.

Extra ecclesiam nulla salus?

>>707317

Don't respond to redditors, this is a board to convert people and subreddits like r/christian are barely christian.

And I'm not saying he's a redditor because he thinks Hitler was a bad guy. That much is correct.

>>701296

Fortunately for you, megachurch Prautists don't have their own inquisition.

gays should be put to death like god tells us to

>>707317

Hey /leftypol.

Remember that we don't know who is in hell apart from a few cases, all we know is that saibts are definitely in heaven.

>>700584

Hitler was right

Gays should be separated from society and a cure should be researched for them.

Racemixing is spitting in the face of God, pretty much the equivalent of telling him that the crown of his creation is not worth preserving.

Protecting the environment should be a christian cause.

Earnest faith in Jesus and God and true repentance are more important than denomination.

>>707690

>Racemixing is spitting in the face of God, pretty much the equivalent of telling him that the crown of his creation is not worth preserving.

what exactly is the "crown of his creation"?

>>707690

Even Jesus' bloodline had mixed races. If you read the scriptures. Rahab and Ruth were his Gentile ancestors.

>>707688

>if you don't like hitler you're a communist

epic.

>>707690

>>707693

>>707724

Christians who believe race mixing is a sin are alt-right larpers who converted out of contrarianism

t. somebody who did exactly that before actually reading the Bible

>>700619

>There is no such thing as a Christian who rejects transubstantiation

<the definition of a Christian is someone who literally worships bread

>>707753

Transubstantiation is just Aquinas applying Aristotelian "Substance Theory" to theology. Except Aristotle was wrong and outdated. He basically believed that matter was eternal and couldn't be removed from the equation… therefore Aquinas tried to rationalize the Eucharist in light of that.

The Orthodox never taught this, so it's not just Protestants who speak against it.

And now Quantum physics would just smash this theory to bits.

Almost all errors in the Church come from men trying to graft human philosophers into it.

Even Judaism fell to the same trap, when the famous Rabbi Rambam proposed that the "correct" translation of Genesis 1:1 was "When God began to create the heavens and the Earth" rather than "In the beginning God created the heavens and earth". The former presupposes that matter always existed and God just formed it. While the latter says God created out of nothing - which is the correct way of saying things. He is God. Same goes for the Eucharist. The bread doesn't matter. Only what our true High Priest is Heaven is doing matters.

>>707760

Oops. My bad. I meant Rashi, not Rambam.

>>707782

That's Saint Tsar Nicholas, not the other Saint Nicholas.

>>707782

>Ethnic Jews who convert to Christianity can be saved, religious Jews cannot.

Isn't that pretty standard Orthodox belief? Jews have cursed themselves by demanding that the Lord's blood fall on themselves and their children. Our liturgical hymns imply that all ethnic Jews are guilty of deicide (but this obviously is lifted by conversion to Christianity).

>>700584

LGBT propaganda has no room in public spaces and should be defiled or removed whenever possible.

That's it… Still enough to get me kicked out of many Christian communities, apparently.

>>707784

Yes, the Orthodox believe Jews won't be saved. I live in the west so most of the prots here are completely pro-Israel and pro-Jewish.

Jews literally say Jesus is boiling in excrement in hell. They do not worship our awesome God and they are not saved.

>>707785

To be fair, Catholics and Protestants cannot be saved either. In fact, the heresies and blasphemies of heterodox Christians are an even worse offense than the deicide committed by the Jews.

>>707781

If you want to talk about bad hearts, then Plato was thoroughly wicked. As was Aristotle. They both argued for slavery and elitism. It's why the Gnostics loved them so much. Perfect for their mystery cults, that keep some people in and others out. Augustine and Aquinas should have never used them.

As for substance. It's not about what humanity can make sense of. It's about subjecting God himself to this nonsense. He doesn't anything to create life. The Orthodox are right in properly calling it a "mystery". Instead of trying to use Aristotle in making sense of it.

>>707788

You know the Orthodox love Plato too, right? Plotinus and Origen's neoplatonism had a huge influence on Byzantine theology.

And Aristotle is used by the Orthodox too. In fact Gregory Palamas used him to devise the essence-energy distinction and the book "Aristotle East and West" argues that if anything he relies more on him than Western theologians have.

>>707788

>They both argued for slavery and elitism.

I guess St. Paul was wicked too.

>>707788

>They both argued for slavery and elitism.

If slavery were to be redefined as paternalism and elitism as natural inequality, it then becomes harder to see such evil in them because both describe intrinsic features of our human world. Just as there can be an evil "freedom", there can be a good "slavery" and a good "elitism". But regardless of their inherent wickedness, one flaw in character would have no bearing on the validity of a philosopher's entire body of thought.

God would not make the world intelligible and imbue man with intellect if He did not also want us to understand both man and the world. On the other hand, no philosopher believes that the world is entirely intelligible to man, and thus most have always defined limits around our understanding of a being like God. Some things will always beyond our grasp, but others are very often within it, and so the only potential fault becomes overlooking our limitations. But there's no wisdom in adopting ignorance where none could ever exist.

>>707799

>Paul argued for slavery

Funnily, this is the same interpretation atheists usually have of Paul's writing on slavery. Next you'll be telling me pedophilia is mandated by God and cite Numbers 31:18. As one anon once said, real biblical analysis is for fags.

>>707822

No, next I'll say that you're an idiot. Why you pretend to disagree with them, or to able to do so? If a case can be made for Plato and Aristotle defending slavery, then a much better one can be made for St. Paul. And in each of these cases, such accusations would be either merely disingenuous rhetorical exercises or exercises in actual ignorance. And never mind that this discussion shouldn't even have reached this point where we are now at, as if either being faithless or wicked causes the sky to turn green should one ever say that it is blue. You're simply wrong on all counts.

The prevalence of premarital sex and no-fault divorce has been far more damaging to the institute of marriage than 'gay marriage' has or could be.

>>707851

>I believe in the existence of many mythological and supernatural beings, such as fairies, dragons, krakens, vampires and werewolves.

This is the only legit stupid thing you have said. What is wrong with you? Do you believe in Santa Claus too?

>>707760

>Transubstantiation is just Aquinas applying Aristotelian "Substance Theory" to theology.

No.

>>707917

>Do you believe in Santa Claus too?

Of course. Why woudn't I believe in Saint Nicholas?

>>700584

every tradition is unusual for modern norms.

>>707851

>>I believe in the existence of many mythological and supernatural beings, such as fairies, dragons, krakens, vampires and werewolves.

This post is MAXIMUM LARP

>>707749

>purposefully missing the point that saying that Hitler is in hell is not your place to proclaim as truth

>>707724

Yes.

His bloodline, but not Jesus himself.

>>707750

Everyone is a larper, especially an ex-nazi like yourself.

>>707784

>this obviously is lifted by conversion to Christianity

Only earnest conversion though.

>>707877

This, but with the cave-at that only because we have normalized degeneracy, doesn't mean that we should allow new degeneracy to enter the mainstream. Gay marriage is wrong, but divorce laws must be reformed as well.

>>700813

The good theology is good psychology sign is the cringiest part of that photo. What does it even mean? The statement itself is dubious, but the fact that psychology just caved into pressure on homosexuality for political reasons makes the very idea that theology should follow psychology retarded.

John Paul II did nothing wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II#Relations_with_other_denominations_and_religions

>Anglicanism

John Paul II had good relations with the Church of England. He was the first reigning pope to travel to the United Kingdom, in 1982, where he met Queen Elizabeth II, the Supreme Governor of the Church of England. He preached in Canterbury Cathedral and received Robert Runcie, the Archbishop of Canterbury. He said that he was disappointed by the Church of England's decision to ordain women and saw it as a step away from unity between the Anglican Communion and the Catholic Church.[178]

>Animism

In 1985, the pope visited the African country of Togo, where 60 per cent of the population espouses animist beliefs. To honour the pope, animist religious leaders met him at a Catholic Marian shrine in the forest, much to the pontiff's delight. John Paul II proceeded to call for the need for religious tolerance, praised nature, and emphasised common elements between animism and Christianity, saying:

"Nature, exuberant and splendid in this area of forests and lakes, impregnates spirits and hearts with its mystery and orients them spontaneously toward the mystery of He who is the author of life. It is this religious sentiment that animates you and one can say that animates all of your compatriots.[181]"

>Buddhism

Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama, visited John Paul II eight times. The two men held many similar views and understood similar plights, both coming from nations affected by Communism and both serving as heads of major religious bodies.[186][187] As Archbishop of Kraków, long before the 14th Dalai Lama was a world-famous figure, Wojtyła held special Masses to pray for the Tibetan people's non-violent struggle for freedom from Maoist China.[188] During his 1995 visit to Sri Lanka, a country where a majority of the population adheres to Theravada Buddhism, John Paul II expressed his admiration for Buddhism:

>Eastern Orthodox Church

In May 1999, John Paul II visited Romania on the invitation from Patriarch Teoctist Arăpaşu of the Romanian Orthodox Church. This was the first time a pope had visited a predominantly Eastern Orthodox country since the Great Schism in 1054.[190] On his arrival, the Patriarch and the President of Romania, Emil Constantinescu, greeted the pope.[190] The Patriarch stated, "The second millennium of Christian history began with a painful wounding of the unity of the Church; the end of this millennium has seen a real commitment to restoring Christian unity."[190]

>Islam

John Paul II oversaw the publication of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which makes a special provision for Muslims; therein, it is written, "together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[200]

>Judaism

With Judaism, therefore, we have a relationship which we do not have with any other religion. You are our dearly beloved brothers, and in a certain way, it could be said that you are our elder brothers.[210]

Reading this turned another considerable portion of my worries into resolve, and I know want to read much more about JPII.

inb4 LarpCath & /pol/ start posting crusaders with inaccurate plate armor.

>>708141

Even parts of my family have animist beliefs and I still wouldn't stoop so low as to be nice to about it.

>>708143

Revering God's nature > confessing to a priestess.

>>708141

The provision for Muslims is one of the first things I read in the Catechism since it's close to the papal infallibility passage, and it decisively put an end to my flirtings with Catholicism

>>707786

>every Christian who is not a part of my special club is going to burn forever contrary to every single teaching on salvation found in the new testament

>being incorrect on the minutiae of theology is worse than literally killing God

>>708141

If this is your idea of doing no wrong, then we seem to share a different understanding of those words. The best that could be said for this is its capacity for scandal, to drive the little ones away from the one, true Faith into the company of wolves, case in point >>708160

>>708160

It's actually modernist gobbledygook that by design conveys nothing and everything all at once. It's a big topic, but you needn't fear modernism or this particular statement because it's important to remember that a binding dogma of the Church is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_Ecclesiam_nulla_salus

and the statement cannot be read outside of this context. Meaning, the statement is literally saying nothing. It's saying something to the effect: "Muslims worship a monotheistic God, and so do we." The text gives no indication that we worship the exact same God, therefore. But all of this is all so tiresome and the text should be nowhere near a Catechism.

>>708164

If Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus is a binding dogma of the Church, then what about this:

"Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.(19*)" -Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, solemnly propagated by his holiness Pope Paul IV, Lumen Gentium

It seems to me that Vatican II pretty much destroyed that doctrine, if according to dogma, even pagans and atheists can be saved.

>>708165

>do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church

The key terms are quoted above. This could never apply to any westerner, for example. It expresses the very sensible, human (and historically Catholic) notion that where the Gospel is not known, the natural law and the human conscience become in effect witnesses to Christ.

>Suppose now, - and if the supposition is inadmissible the objection vanishes, - that among the gentiles there are persons who die out of the Church, free from all actual sin: they, certainly, will never see God, will never enter heaven, will not be saved; yet nothing obliges us to believe that they will be doomed to the punishment of sense, or to the positive sufferings of hell. What will be their fate, beyond the fact that they will not be saved, we do not know, and do not attempt to determine. We remit them, if such there are, to the bounty of God, who, for aught we know, may place them in the category of unbaptized infants who die in their infancy. But no injustice is done them in not admitting them to the beatific vision; for to see God by the light of glory is a gratuitous reward, promised only to supernatural faith and sanctity, never due and never promised to mere natural innocence or to mere natural virtue. The defect of natural innocence or of natural virtue excludes from it, but the possession of either or both does not and cannot entitle to it; and natural innocence and virtue are all that it can be pretended that these have. Hence, supposing such persons, supposing them to die free from all but original sin, no injustice is done them in excluding them from salvation, and therefore the dogma which denies the possibility of salvation out of the Church asserts nothing contrary to the justice or even to the fidelity of God.

http://theradicalcatholic.blogspot.com/2015/05/on-virtuous-pagan-limbo-and-theology-of.html

>>708169

I do agree that conscience is a witness to Christ in the absence of direct access to the Gospel, but is it a witness to the Church? Isn't the Church a worldly institution, and isn't baptism within it necessary for salvation?

>>708173

>Isn't the Church a worldly institution, and isn't baptism within it necessary for salvation?

No, because it's the Church Christ Himself instituted. And, yes to the second question, indeed, although I'm not sure if you're referring now to those who know not the Gospel or those who do but question the Church itself. To the first group, I can say nothing about it myself, not being God, likewise to the second group. I can only say what I know and that is Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.

I think there are legitimate ways to interpret scripture to accept polygamy. Most scripture that appear to be against it just tell you not to divorce, and that you become one in marriage, but many people become one in the body of Christ, so that's not a deal breaker.

There's less against it then there is against the gays, at least.

>>708176

If polygamy is okay, is it also okay to have threesomes?

I would argue that if threesomes are wrong, then polygamy is also wrong.

And yes, I think any sexual acts involving more than 2 people are wrong.

>>708178

I don't think threesomes being wrong means polygamy is wrong.

Threesomes are wrong because sex outside marriage is wrong. Gay marriage is wrong. The women aren't married to each other, therefore cannot be involved in sexual relations with each other. But you are married to both the women, and therefore can have sex with both of them at different time. You're having sex within marriage for procreation. Which isn't wrong.

>>708180

Well we know that polygamy is wrong, I was just trying to come up with an argument that failed.

>>701340

So if the entire market consists of previously promiscuous women, then our options are limited to adultery and blueballs?

<Do you have any Christian beliefs that could potentially get you in trouble or are plain unusual for modern norms?

I oppose polemics of all denominations. This is unlikely to get me into trouble or drama with "modern society" but it makes fitting into religious communities difficult because that's where they're all hiding.

>>708141

Everything there is extremely wrong and somewhat heretical though

I think traducianism might be right. I haven't been able to find any ban of it as heresy so that's not much trouble.

I am not sure if the natural law prohibits polygamy (of course it is prohibited at some level)

Also no gays of course.

>>708474

The spirit of it - the basic sectarianism which consists of:

>my club is the only RIGHT one

>all the other ones go to hell

<most of mine still goes to hell though

These people are consistently insufferable, and they have no appreciation whatsoever for the peace and prosperity delivered by those who worked outside their own little group. Protestants Catholics and Orthodox worked together to bring down atheist totalitarianism, but a bunch of posers on the internet are morally superior somehow.

Religion is for the weak minded.

>>700584

>The Hebrews in Exodus were the hyksos, who were enslaved because they started to infiltrate the Egyptian government and the native people fought back.

Wrong

>>708594

Please expand.

As soon as I found out about Qanon and read into it. I started believing that there is a God again.

>>700584

I believe that the blessings upon the sons of Noah explain a lot of human history and that it basically works out like this:

>shem: gets the ultimate blessing of receiving the Son of God into their bloodline in the case of Israel, and basically the blessing entails them being big brained early civilizers like the Sumerians, Egyptians, Chinese, Japanese, etc.

A list of all the highest IQ nations is a list of Shem's sons, which quickly leads to…

>japheth: being enlarged meaning his descendants populate a lot of the earth - a list of countries colonised by Europeans shows this to be true.

It also says they shall dwell in the tents of Shem, implying a few things but mainly that through Shem they shall be blessed. When you look at the achievements of Europe after Christianity, that is readily apparent. Part of the blessing is to be big brain innovators like Shem. Before Christianity Japhethites were pretty civilized but their beliefs were unstable (Yahweh -> Iove Pater -> Jupiter) and so Christianity came at the right time and integrated mostly naturally with European cultures.

>ham: he a silly tigga (???)

idk what the deal with Ham was but some of them turned out okay like Ethiopians but others turned into Sudanese so I don't know really

I also believe that some of the tribes of Israel may have been banished north and went into Europe, there's Dan turning into Dansk or Danish, there's Gad turning Gut or the Goths, there's the Jutes right next to these groups who may have gotten their name from Judah (both had the lion as their symbol)

Ultimately some of this is flimsy but I need to make sense of world history in terms of people movements, this is the best model I've been able to come up with.

>>708176

That's why you shouldn't base everything just in the Bible like some protestants do. You have tradition, culture inheritance, your own civilization, theology, the Church, Inspiration and faith to be taken in account as well.

Was it "just a coincidence" Christianity was born and spread under the Roman Law?

Is it just a coincidence polygamy is avoided in civilized populations? Or does it really create trouble to your neighbor?

Should we ignore the Church and tradition?

There's one obvious and clear exception where old time plebs would have more than one wife: by "widow inheritance".

The woman would become "one" with her new husband as well, right? But that was accordingly to their tradition. That's not our tradition to take our deceased relatives' wives as our own, there's no such obligation.

So you are right, accordingly to the scriptures alone, it's not "illegal" and probably many women could be "one" with you at same time. But the scriptures are not and should never be the only thing for us to see and follow the Truth. There are other guides at our reach and we should take them seriously.

I'm currently an old-earth creationist, and think that not only did evolution happen, but it was directed by God. Reasoning being that (in addition to "let the earth produce X") while he could have continued existing in eternity, He chose to create because he was bored or something, I don't know. Given that we (our souls) are made in God's image, I figure some human quirks might also be a shadow of what God feels.

Just like all the supernovas and balancing orbits and stuff that's constantly happening in our extremely massive universe could just be another fun activity for God, since he's infinite he can multitask infinitely, too.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>700605

this

Although Israel and Pro-zionism falls under Jews, I argue with so many people about how Christians have no obligation to support the nation state of Israel. These Jew's love to talk about being the Chosen even though half don't believe in God, period. and the other practically are talmudic babylonian kabbalist satan worshippers

>>700584

Kill gays.

>>707305

>The Hyksos is a very shaky theory. They predate all proposed (both liberal and conservative) estimates of the Exodus timeline by hundreds of years. As well as using the Palestinian coast as their escape route (rather than anything in the Sinai).

Where do these estimates come from? I find that if you move the estimate back by 100 years, everything syncs up between the Bible and secular history:

> Groups of Canaanites settle in the Egyptian delta (13th dynasty is supposedly founded by these people later down the track)

> Eruption of Thera/Santorini causes the plague of darkness

> Destruction of Jericho occurs by an army out of Egypt

Most of the secular Biblical scholars will use the normal suggested dates and then say that archeology disproves the Bible. But it doesn't once you discount those dates.

>>701249

This tbh

I asked my priest about anullments and it sounds like they're pretty much just handed out without any consideration. I agree that anullment can be a thing, but in reality it should be very rare

Confession should be practiced nearly everytime before communion. You go to church in your best clothes, so why not go with your soul as clean as possible

Probably just about everything; homosexuals are mentally ill and need help, talmundists need to be exiled because they cant behave themselves etc.

>>700604

The Israelites in Exodus are not always described as slaves, but also as settlers(in the book of Acts f/i). The Hyksos were likely Canaanite conquerors who ruled lower Egypt in the 17th century BC I believe. They were also called the 'shepherd kings, indicating that they shared the lifestyle of the Israelites to a great extent. However, the proof that their demise was recorded as the biblical exodus is rather shaky. Likely the exodus implies an escape from spiritual slavery among the totalitarian polytheist religion of Egypt. The Israelites who served among the priests likely exported esoteric knowledge from these religious courts(monotheism in occult form goes way back) and used it to construct the Mosaic law.

>>720360

acedia

>>701244

like what

I'll bite, OP. The parable of the weeds in Matthew 13 refers to the church as well as the world; everywhere where Christ sows his good seed, Satan is sowing his evil seed. Everywhere where Christ sows wheat, Satan sows weeds. This side of the new creation, every physical church or Christian organisation will be mixed between the sons of the kingdom and sons of the evil one. This should encourage us in a way, for if we see the church being obviously infiltrated by wolves with their own agenda, we know that Christ has planted his good seed here first! It should also make us more realistic in our expectations; there will be no perfect church that will do everything right, no church that can please every poster here or every member of its congregation. This by no means should make us complacent. Indeed if properly understood this should make us more wary than before of the creeping influence of sin, and also give us a great hope and longing for the revealing of the Bride of Christ, perfected and without blemish. What a joy it will be to worship perfectly!

Why does God allow his Church to "suffer" these spots? 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient towards you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance" He is being merciful and kind by allowing us time to repent. A similar idea is seen in Romans 2:4.

Interpreted this way it also makes sense of a lot of the degeneracy creeping into every church on Earth. I don't think /christian/ or Christians generally have the right approach to speck in our brother churches eye. Why are we so busy posting threads about "haha, X denomination did this ungodly thing" or "but what about Y denomination who do this ungodly thing". These are never in good faith, lovingly rebuking our brothers and sisters in Christ, but are simply mocking and superior; "Thank you God, for I am not like this tax collector". We all need to repent of our party spirit, and focus instead on Christ. Making it a rule that we should be charitable to each other will not make it so, but faith and obedience to God.

>>707348

Thank you for such a good explanation of the difference between dead and living faith, brother! May God bless you and keep you.

>>700584

God made us unequal so that we learn to love with humility instead of pride.

God made different races so that they learn to respect boundaries (a lesson we are constantly failing to learn)

The best people usually have it way harder than anyone else because they take responsibility for themselves and others like Jesus did.

Evil people are evil because they are weak, and they amass great power to protect themselves at the expense of others.

Good people are strong because they can take a hit and shrug it off and carry on without having to cling to power in order to protect their ego. They accept that pain is a fact of life and rise to it's challanges.

>>707851

The Falklands War was a just war

>>707851

>The french revolution was instigated by masons, and there is nothing good that ever came from it

That's true. My Grandfather's Masonic Bible says the Masons were behind both the American and French revolutions. All the members of the Boston Tea Party were masons for example.

This is from a Catholic point of view.

Christians should go full Benedictine option. In urban areas the church should rent out housing in specific areas, stacking a whole suburb with all the Catholics of a city with it. For one most people dont go outside of their local area so 95% of the time it would be an entirely Christian environment to live and grow up in. In most Catholic countries the Church owns enough property to at least do this partially. Also it would allow us to get proper Catholic politicians in power to actually influence the system.

>>707851

I agree with pretty much every single one of these except for the mythological creatures being real. Some are, most aren’t.

>>727256

Bless you likewise

>>728578

>Therefore the true intentions of "reformers" or "revisionists" are revealed for what they truly are: tools of Satan.

This. "Reform" is just revolution by another name; it's the spirit of antichrist.

>>700813

>God is God, bishops are not

what the actual winnie the pooh? why are you even a catholic at that point?

>>707851

based. also someone redpill me on this;

>>I believe in the existence of many mythological and supernatural beings, such as fairies, dragons, krakens, vampires and werewolves.

>>720349

I tend to include in my prayers during mass Gods mercy, and that He may provide the grace to help everyone around me receive worthily and profitably, because thats the whole point of Christ establishing the Eucharist, that He may be present with us and help us, so I doubt Hes being too harsh with us. I go to an eastern rite church at times; right before we partake theres a prayer that includes roughly "

and let us partake of the Divine Mystery, not to judgement or condemnation, but to the healing of soul and body"

just do your part and catechizing all those around you. one less sin in this world is always a blessing, especially in regards to Our Blessed Lords Body and Blood

>>728747

>What's so hard about going to confession.

anxiety and embarassment

>>700614

>>Water baptism doesn't save anyone in itself

>This is a totally scriptural claim. It is repent (metanoia) and be baptized. Baptism without repentance is LARPing.

If the ripples of sin have eternal consequences, (i.e. curses going off into eternity), eternal punishment is just

>slavery is an extrinsic rather than an intrinsic evil, otherwise it would have been specifically forbidden in Scripture

>creationism, I believe 'Theistic evolution' is incompatible with the Magisterium of the Church and most early church fathers

>the death penalty is acceptable, Francis was wrong to change the catechism

>>728955

<Pope Francis changes catechism to declare death penalty ‘inadmissible’

Does this guy read the Bible? Has he heard of the Noahic covenant?

How and why do c*tholics put up with him?

>>700584

I've said at one point in one of these threads that just about all churches (in my country, the USA, at least) are compromised because of the 501c3. That they've taken a bribe like Judas. It doesn't engender much friendliness. And I partly understand myself.. fellow Christians don't want to hear that they are in compromised churches (and I do believe individual Christians are fine. Just talking about ecclesiastical structure). Sometimes I even doubt myself. I don't want to believe things are really that bad. But I can't shake it off.

>>729295

The unicorn thing is a fedora meme. Prior to the 18th century, it usually meant rhinoceros and is derived the Latin 'unicornis' meaning 'one horn.' The original Hebrew word is a loan word from Akkadian that means 'aurochs,' a now extinct species of cow.

I love anime

The jews are the spiritual enemy of all mankind.

They are the spirit of rebellion manifested in flesh, their will is pride, their words lies.

>>747440

>>747438

>>728663

Their god is their want for human acceptance in the case of the “advocates” and their own sick sexuality in the case of homosexuals. The fact we have open and increasing instances of Drag in the media proves all those so called “normal gay couples” on tv for the last 50 years or so have been in vain, and were just a Trojan horse for degeneracy. Expect movies about how pedophiles are just “misunderstood and unjustly maligned” on ABC family and Halmark in the next 5 years.

>>701371

My sides

>>700813

>people who claim to be Catholic but never go to mass or join movements like women ordination and such that automatically excommunicates them from the church.

>catholics

Its even more retarded because everybody knows that most protestant denominations (except the American evangelical fags or Traditional Lutherans/Anglicans who are a minority) support faggotry.

>>701249

You aren't wrong not the slightest.

The Church has always forbade divorce since day one.

Even when pope Francis tried to be more friendly with remarried people a train of orthodox (as in good catholics) almost ran him over.

>>720323

To prove a marriage is null either you have concrete proofs that one of the parties was forced against their will or that one of them is impotent (since in that case they can never be one flesh and there's no need for marriage in the first place).

As for the remaining cases it's very but very hard to acknowledge is the marriage was null or not and then the parties might lie for their own profit.

Annulments are still a very rare thing thankfully but if the parties even fool the Pope is on them that the eternal punishment will fall or the priests that handled the case if they are guilty as well.

What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.

gay is not okay

>>700584

The separation of church and state is a sham. Any Christian who doesn't want God's law for the land is not a real christian.