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not Catholic but it always irks me when people think that the "gates of Hell" verse is deacribing a defensive scenario. That literally makes zero sense. Are you being attacked by a gate? It's obviously describing an offensive battle. The Church (whichever one is the true one) is waging a war against Hell and is destined to conquer it in the end. That's what that verse is saying. It's saying Hell won't succeed in repelling the attack against it in the end.

Assyrian Church of the East

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Eastern Orthodoxy

>>695030

It's a spiritual Church, for now a remnant exists in every Christian denomination.

>>695048

Amen.

>>695048

Aside from that, I do want to mention that there's likely been degenerates at very high levels in the past. There's one, Pope Benedict IX, that I'd like to make mention of. That particular one seems to be over-even odds as a likely moral shambles. He was accused of not only homosexuality, but also of rape (gay? straight? both?) and bestiality. He was accused of this by other popes, who could still talk to people who were within living memory of the guy. Victor III's review of him was as follows: "His life as a pope was so vile, so foul, so execrable, that I shudder to think of it".

So he's probably bad. And interestingly Benedict IX is also pre-schism by a few years; I point that out since if someone like this can gain significant power in an era with a much more unified church than we have now. It's interesting to ponder that particular aspect, someone operating in that before the split, but also that this occurred in a time with great (apparent and certainly relatively) faith in God. Hell never rests, it seems…

Sydney Anglicans

>>695084

>Benedict IX is also pre-schism by a few years

But it was the time that Frank emperors had already displaced Roman popes and had put people of their likeness to LARP as popes, hence the shitshow with Benedict and others. It was also that time that they started to LARP as God's chosen one and Peter's reincarnation, mostly because of Franks poor understanding of theology. That's how we ended up with Francis and his pedophile mafia today.

Also keep in mind that back then if you denied that the pope is a magical being who is always right your best fate would be a quick death by sword. Today this cannot happen so they have resorted to liberal pandering and bribing poor, third world people to keep the Catholic "flock" alive.

What? The church is still standing and teaching the same doctrine as usual. Where the winnie the pooh do you live?

Do you believe in the church because of the man on it or because of Christ?

As long as there are a few faithful remaining it won't be prevailed against. The Church is the body of believers who hold the true Catholic faith, not the heretical occupiers of the buildings who proclaim to be believers but whose every action shows they're not.

>>695105

Are you still living in the 9th century?

God's eternal plan for salvation lies solely inside the Most Holy meme monastry.

>>695111

Top kek

>>695095

>Genzoman

>>>/trash/

>>695111

>how one NYT article silenced all enemies of the Catholic church without realising it

>>695030

Honestly at this point don't follow a church follow your own faith. Also isn't the catholic church breaking one of the ten commandments by having the pope. 2. Don't commit idolatry.

>>695126

Sure that worked well for polrotestants.

Nice try devil.

>breaking one of the ten commandments by having a pope

Yep. It breaks the first commandment. "Thou shalt have no other god other that Pastor Anderson."

>>695135

Tell me they are just rumors.

>>695135

So you’re saying the modern pope is a successor to that guy? That makes me wanna be Catholic less

>>695084

It is hard to believe that so many men who have held the office of Pope seem to be under satanic influences and yet we are told to believe that these same people are to be trusted in making infallible statements on doctrine and theology. It is like how you know Roman doctrine is bullshit 101.

>>695193

He was also a successor of Saint Peter. Does that make him bad as well?

Or if some ancestor of yours was a sodomite would that make you a faggot as well?

Shitty argument kid.

>>695195

It is actually the proof that Catholicism is the Truth. Those sodomite could have done wtv they wanted like changing the doctrine for new heresies or allowing sodomy because they were ones.

But one funny thing we observe is no matter who is on the chair the Church Doctrine never changed.

Weird right?

>>695200

The best they tried to do was save their own asses but trying to denounce the death sentence

>>695030

The true Church does not reside in any one denomination. It is a dispersed body formed by all who are righteous in Christ.

>>695061

/thread

>>695135

This simply proves that the catholic church has been corrupted for a long time. These people shouldn't be given such power.

>>695130

What else is there then? Orthodoxy I know little about it but I might look into it when I have the time.

>>695201

Trying to denounce the death sentence now isn't really persuasive. Especially since the only people they wish to preserve are criminals.

Back when they could kill perceived political enemies, they were all for it. They've been doing this game for a long time anon.

Imperatoris Theodosii codex: Book 16, Title 6 (A.D. 413)

Reinstated in Codex Justinianus Book 1, Title 6 (A.D. 529)

16.6.6 Emperors Honorius and Theodosius Augustuses to Anthemius, Praetorian Prefect.

No person shall resort to the crime of rebaptizing, nor shall he endeavor to pollute with the filth of profaned religions and the sordidness of heretics those persons who have been initiated in the rites of the orthodox… if after the time that the law was issued any person should be discovered to have rebaptized anyone who had been initiated into the mysteries of the Catholic sect, he shall suffer the penalty [of death], along with the person rebaptized, because he has committed a crime that must be expiated, provided, however, that the person so persuaded is capable of crime by reason of his age.

First Saxon Capitulary (A.D. 785)

19. Likewise, it has been pleasing to insert in these decrees that all infants shall be baptized within a year; and we have decreed this, that if any one shall have despised to bring his infant to baptism within the course of a year, without the advice or permission of the priest, if he is a noble he shall pay 120 solidi to the treasury, if a freeman 60, if a litus 30.

>>695212

There's always baptists.

>>695200

>church doctrine never changes

Catholics actually believe this in spite of their numerous innovations and abuses.

>>695089

Those particulars are largely irrelevant, at least when it comes the "Hell wins over Chruch". Even if there were disagreements the split hadn't happened yet and the Pope/Patriarch of Rome (however you wanted to view it) was a worldly evil one. Since the world did not end, we can safely conclude that having someone run Rome who is on the other team does not trigger the "Hell triumphs" flag by itself.

And that would probably hold true if someone in the East were similarly corrupted as well. There's real evidence that is starting to occur or has occurred. Archbishop Stylianos a few years back for example, child rapist. Michael Rymer, raped and pozzed a man. Holy Trinity Cathedral in San Francisco had multiple abuse cases. And so on, enough there's an abuse support site (pokrov.org). Despite that evil creeping in there, there have been no signs. Nor in the many abuse and fraud cases in Protestant churches either.

So no, I don't think evil clerics by themselves constitute Hell winning anything, a pope or a patriarch is one thing but it is only one soul. What they want is a lot of them, and for that mass apostasy is just what the doctor ordered. And that metric is troubling as there is a general decline, and a rise of anti-Christ faiths like Islam or just general atheism.

>>695226

This must be the dumbest post I've read today. Tell me what changes in morals and faith? Which of the 255 dogmas changed?

And changes in the rites aint doctrinal for your information. Stop being retarded and don't be a false witness to your neighbor.